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United To Latin America, Expanding?  
User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 861 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6395 times:

Does anyone knows anything about United plans to return to cities in Latin America dropped after 9/11?. Santiago, Lima, etc..
IAD-SCL Perhaps?


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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3406 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6380 times:

just my opinion, but I think the recent TACA codesaher will allow UA to basically serve these tyoes of markets via the partner. I would look for more IAD service and coordinated schedules.

User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6328 times:

I just flew through ORD and came across a lot of former UA co-workers who used to work with me at MIA. According to a few of them, they've heard rumors of non-stop IAD-GIG starting early 2007. LIM was never a lucrative market from MIA although it might work from IAD. SCL was profitable for some time from MIA.

User currently offlineAAL0616 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 272 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6300 times:

Not unless new or re-deployed equipment becomes available. Santiago, for example, became problematic once service from Miami was terminated. Ironically, when the United Miami-Santiago service was launched by Pan Am with A-310s, Tom Plaskett commented that the A-310 equipment being utilized from KJFK to EIDW would be better utilized in terms of both revenue and yield flying south from KMIA. The company did not last long enough to prove the wisdom of the late 1980s Pan Am shift toward KMIA, and, of course, AAL was already preparing to pounce on and expand the former Eastern-Braniff-Panagra "west coast" Latin American franchise. At least United retained the Miami-Santiago service almost until they withdrew international mainline service entirely from KMIA (home of FAM #1, held dormant by UAL, KMIA-KEYW-MUHA).

Fast forwarding to today, one suspects that KIAD-SCEL or KORD-SCEL are far too thin to consider. However, TACA code-share will provide, at best, single-stop service to Chile. A change of Silverbird aircraft at KMIA is always welcome so that the AAL second quarter profit might continue for many more quarters. There may even be a semi-completed terminal to comfortably connect through at some point, too. I wonder if, since the South Terminal at KMIA will be completed sooner, whether anyone might consider new or longer-stage services from that facility to compete with oneworld's hold on US-Chile, and, for that matter, US-Peru, Ecuador, et. al.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6293 times:
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Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 2):
I just flew through ORD and came across a lot of former UA co-workers who used to work with me at MIA. According to a few of them, they've heard rumors of non-stop IAD-GIG starting early 2007. LIM was never a lucrative market from MIA although it might work from IAD. SCL was profitable for some time from MIA.

Without RG, a non-stop IAD-GIG using their dorment frequencies (used only on summer) seems to be IMO the best option UA have to expand their activities in Brazil. DL and AA are obtaining very good results with their flights to Rio (AA will upgrade GIG-MIA next year). Also TAM is looking for Rio's market: They announce GIG-EZE, GIG-GRU-ASU, new domestic daily flights to JPA, FOR, SSA, POA and a 6th frequency to CNF. Also they have plans for a GIG-MIA.

IAD-GIG could open an important market for UA, as they could be the best option for NY and BOS from Rio, and due to the strong number of flights to BSB (17 against 7 from GRU), also the best for the diplomatic traffic US-Brazil.

Felipe



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6258 times:

Quoting AAL0616 (Reply 3):
KIAD-SCEL or KORD-SCEL



Quoting AAL0616 (Reply 3):
AAL

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User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6232 times:

Thanks to everyone and welcome to my frist posting on airliners.net. I was hoping for someone to tell that UA had IAD-SCL in their inmediate plans. I grew up in Chile but live in the Northern VA area now. Evrytime I go visit I have a mandatory plane cange in MIA, ATL or DFW depending on carrier.


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User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

How about IAD-EZE-SCL? higher load and yields?


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User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days ago) and read 5995 times:

They need to make their way to CCS.....I believe either ORD or IAD can fill up an A320 or a B757 easily. There is a huge Venezuelan community in Maryland, and probably enough people to fill it from ORD


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User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days ago) and read 5982 times:

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 8):
They need to make their way to CCS.....I believe either ORD or IAD can fill up an A320 or a B757 easily. There is a huge Venezuelan community in Maryland, and probably enough people to fill it from ORD

I agree; I think it could work well out of IAD. Are there any government restrictions on further US flights after the Aeropostal/Santa Barbara situation earlier this year? I'm almost certain that AA was limited to 3 flights from MIA and upgraded one of them to an AB6.


User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5965 times:

Quoting Eastern023 (Reply 7):
How about IAD-EZE-SCL? higher load and yields?

Didn't LH operate EZE-SCL at one point? Why did they drop it?


User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5943 times:

Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 10):
Didn't LH operate EZE-SCL at one point? Why did they drop it?

Wasn't it part of a FRA-EZE-SCVL routing?

AA also served the EZE-SCL market for a while in the 90's. I have flown it both directions on AA metal in those years.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5933 times:

Its unlikely UA is going to sink money into a region that is the financially worst performing of its 4 operating regions (Atlantic, North Am, LatinAm, Pacific).

Losses have been continual for the last 5+ years (see company financial reports). In 2005 the Profit/Loss for the regions turned seriously for the worse with a 14.8% negative operating margin, by far the worst performance of all UA regions.

If anything, I could see UA pull back in the region especially in deep South America which requires multiple widebodies to make the schedule work and instead commit them other potentially more profitable regions.

As far as Brazil, the only bright spot has been RGs problems have lead to extremely strong demand for seats on the carriers GRU services as the US-Brazil market has seen the reduction in daily capacity results of RG cancellations.

At the end of the day, UA self admittedly is poorly positioned to compete in Latin America as its hubs are geographically handicapped for the region.



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User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

AA served SCL-EZE both ways after adquiring Eastern Routes. Eastern used to fly MIA-EZE-SCL on a DC-10 before BK. LH is no longer servicing SCL they swap service with Swiss.


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User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5901 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):
AA also served the EZE-SCL market for a while in the 90's. I have flown it both directions on AA metal in those years.

AA 900 EZE-SCL
AA 901 SCL-EZE



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User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5884 times:

Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 9):
Are there any government restrictions on further US flights after the Aeropostal/Santa Barbara situation earlier this year? I'm almost certain that AA was limited to 3 flights from MIA and upgraded one of them to an AB6.

After Venezuela was upgraded to CAT I by the FAA those problems vanished. Now carriers from both countries have the freedoms they used to have.

It will be great to have UA back in CCS after they left the country in 2002. I agree the best option would be an A320/A319 from IAD.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 15):
It will be great to have UA back in CCS after they left the country in 2002. I agree the best option would be an A320/A319 from IAD.

It really would be. Although I'm biased toward UA, I really do think we offered very good service from MIA to CCS. I remember pax had the option of being picked up and dropped off at the Eurobuilding (rather than driving themselves all the way to Maiquetia) and at one point, we offered a second, seasonal daily flight. There was a memo that was passed, probably around 1999, where UA's Miami management wanted to make the second flight permanent and add a third seasonal flight. Do you know if the flight was consistently a poor performer or did it do well until close to the end?


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5574 times:

I remember my only flights on UA. It was on board one of their 757s on MIA-LIM (if only I was old enough to realize that there was Channel 9...), and they did provide exceptional service. I recall the catering (dijon chicken with rotini) being so good that my mother later used (and still uses) the recipe on a regular basis.

User currently offlineMD11junkie From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 3136 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5536 times:

Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 10):
Didn't LH operate EZE-SCL at one point? Why did they drop it?



Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 11):
Wasn't it part of a FRA-EZE-SCVL routing?

Yes, LH did operate FRA-EZE-SCL, but as a part of a non-stop, ramping cluelessness from LH towards Latin America they decided to call off that route, that got a lot of attention from Buisnessmen (at least here in Argentina), to add their second daily flight to GRU, leaving the former FRA-EZE-SCL, as FRA-GRU-EZE and FRA-GRU-SCL (the latter flight was dropped by LH and is now operated by LX/SR ZRH-GRU-SCL).

Who wins here? Air France, of course.

Cheers! wave 
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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16693 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5514 times:

Quoting Eastern023 (Reply 13):
Eastern used to fly MIA-EZE-SCL on a DC-10 before BK

After '89 Eastern was flying Miami-Guayaquil-Santiago with an A300.



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User currently offlineStar_member From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

any rumours of taca joining star alliance?

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5244 times:

Quoting Star_member (Reply 20):
any rumours of taca joining star alliance?

I would guess an announcement next year after they have beeded in their code share with UA


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5205 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):
As far as Brazil, the only bright spot has been RGs problems have lead to extremely strong demand for seats on the carriers GRU services as the US-Brazil market has seen the reduction in daily capacity results of RG cancellations.

United better being doing well from Brazil. I have two friends that just flew from GRU to ORD on UA last week, he paid $1600 one-way and she paid $5000 one-way in First Class (because she is very pregnant), fortunately paid for by his company.


User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5054 times:

What about taging on SCL to one of the flights to EZE or GRU from IAD?. Traffic rights between the cities may help yieds>


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User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

In addition to MIA-SCL, UA offered a tag from LIM to SCL on the MIA-LIM service in the late 90s. It lasted about 2 years using the LIM 757.

25 Arcano : I'm sorry, but I don'0t think I understand your point. How can a terminated service be problematic? Once MIA-SCL was terminated... end of story! I do
26 RCS763AV : Maybe a 3x weekly A319 to BOG could work, or a 757 flying IAD-BOG-SCL/LIM could work too. CCS and BOG could fill up a flight to IAD.
27 SLCUT2777 : If UA does indeed decide to go back into South American markets form the US it will be interesting to see since AA has such a stranglehold on all of t
28 Laxintl : Just prior to the sale of the European division to Delta, A310s operated MIA-SCL nonstop supplementing the 747 service via EZE.
29 Eastern023 : I was a little kid, but I remember well PA operating at SCL with an A310. It was actually used for MIA-SCL and also MIA-GRU-SCL for a little while. I
30 MAH4546 : No can do. The IAD flight continues to MVD, a surprising porfitable UA station. The ORD-EZE flight could continue to SCL, but ORD-EZE only operates 3
31 Eastern023 : Don't forget the good'ole DC10. Eastern Flew flight EA 023 MIA-EZE-SCL on a DC10 at least in 1998. I flew it myself as a kid. Behold my screen name E
32 Hardiwv : I fully subscribe to your opinion. In my view, IAD-GIG seems the the best option for UA's expansion in the region at the moment. It is a pitty UA dec
33 AAL0616 : Please accept a late reply only due to work obligations. Yes, in fact, Pan Am removed an A310 from New York Atlantic service and redeployed the equipm
34 AAL0616 : Also, another thought regarding intermediate stations. Take a look at a Pan Am timetable from, say, the mid-late 1960s, given, of course, range restri
35 2travel2know : Since it's said that there is a market in the Greater Washington DC area for flights to Bolivia (LB seems to be flying to IAD still), Could a IAD-LIM-
36 Eastern023 : LB flights into IAD has been cancelled.
37 Eastern023 : I guess this is completely out of the question given the news.
38 UnitedNRT : You mean the news from the UK? I'm not quite sure what news you meant.
39 Eastern023 : Are the news in the UK have a bad impact on traffic?.
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