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AC: St. John's-LHR With A319  
User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12092 times:

There was some discussion here before about this. Now it's official.

I thought St. John's was served before to LHR as part of a Halifax stop?

http://biz.yahoo.com/cnw/060720/e_aircan_nonstop_serv.html?.v=1


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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12092 times:

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Thread starter):
thought St. John's was served before to LHR as part of a Halifax stop?

It was.



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12037 times:

Would be wicked to see an AC babybus this side of the pond.


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19239 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12037 times:

What a nice niche market!

At the moment AC flies a daily 763 routing Heathrow-St John's-Halifax. But from later this year and early next, Heathrow-Halifax appears as a daily non-stop 763-operated service - even in January - with no mention of Heathrow-St John's, which might simply not yet be loaded into the system. Who knows?

[Edited 2006-07-20 16:43:42]


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User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12037 times:

This is a great move by AC. I believe we had all agreed on this even before the A319 was allowed to make this kind of flights... damn we armchair CEO's are getting good at it  Smile

User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12037 times:

Great News Big grin

Wierd flight timings tho.....



Lee



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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11997 times:

WOW A-319 across the pound... should be around 4 hours to 4.5 hours to go and 5 hours on the way back good for YYT and good for AC to listen to customers


Air Canada to offer non-stop seasonal service between St. John's, NL and London, U. K., with daily flights during summer peak travel
Thursday July 20, 9:58 am ET


MONTREAL, July 20 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada announced today seasonal non- stop service between St. John's, NL and London, U.K. beginning April 6, 2007.
Air Canada's service to London will operate three times weekly on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday in April 2007, increasing to five times a week in May 2007, and to daily service from mid-June to September 2007. Air Canada flight AC830 will leave St. John's at 12:55, arriving in London at 21:25, and flight AC831 will leave London at 22:40 arriving in St. John's at 00:40.

"The people of Newfoundland and Labrador have told us loudly and clearly that they value a non-stop link to the U.K. and we believe we have found a creative solution that meets demand," said Ben Smith, Vice President, Network Planning, Air Canada. "With this service we will be able to offer the convenience of daily non-stop service to London for summer peak travel."

The carrier will operate the route using newly refurbished 120-seat Airbus A319 aircraft in a two-cabin configuration offering a choice of Executive Class and Economy service. The A319 jets to be deployed on this route feature Air Canada's new personal entertainment system currently being introduced fleet-wide with 8.9-inch wide digital in-seat monitors and touch- screen controls offering audio and video on demand programming at every seat. Other features include Air Canada's new seating and cabin design with in-seat power within reach of every customer.

From Newfoundland and Labrador, Air Canada and Air Canada Jazz offer more than 159 scheduled flights each week to 9 destinations across Canada, more than any other carrier.


Air Canada provides scheduled and charter air transportation for
passengers and cargo to more than 150 destinations on five continents.
Canada's flag carrier is the 14th largest commercial airline in the world and
serves more than 30 million customers annually. Air Canada is a founding
member of Star Alliance providing the world's most comprehensive air
transportation network.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11997 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
At the moment AC flies a daily 763 routing Heathrow-St John's-Halifax. But from later this year and early next, Heathrow-Halifax appears as a daily non-stop 763-operated service - even in January - with no mention of Heathrow-St John's, which might simply not yet be loaded into the system. Who knows?

I was of the understanding that it was to go over to pure LHR-Halifax only. This A319 summer only service would appear to confirm this.

I am surprised thoguh - I would have thought they could have used such a valuable slot for something bigger. Nice as it will be to see an AC 319 over here, I'd have thought it wouldn't have been to hard to fill an extra 763 on something like YTO for the summer.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19239 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11973 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 5):
Wierd flight timings tho.....

Yep. It seems obvious that the route is primarily, if not virtually exclusively, for O&D (VFR, leisure, perhaps some businesspeople) route. But are there any connections possible?



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19239 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11937 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 7):
This A319 summer only service would appear to confirm this.

Yeah, that is what I confusingly meant to say. Halifax daily 763; St Johns up to daily 319. So no combined flight.



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User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 977 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11937 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 7):
I am surprised thoguh - I would have thought they could have used such a valuable slot for something bigger. Nice as it will be to see an AC 319 over here, I'd have thought it wouldn't have been to hard to fill an extra 763 on something like YTO for the summer.

Agree. every time I fly Toronto London in the summer I am struck by how few empty seats there are.

Also, I take it this means no AC service between YYT-LHR from September unitl April.


User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11937 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):

On the way to LHR they could get feeds from YUL, YQB and maritimes who travel for business and want to get there and get a good night sleep before work.

YYZ already have is day departure to LHR...


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11907 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
But are there any connections possible?

For AC830, connections are available from Halifax, Montreal, Vancouver and Toronto.

For AC831, if you are connecting, a wait will be required in YYT of about 5 hours (to YYZ) and 6 hours to YHZ or YUL, based on the current schedules.



Lee

[Edited 2006-07-20 16:58:21]


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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8147 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11881 times:

Connections going east, no probs. Heading into Canada from the UK, huh-uh, I reckon this must be the last arrival of the day. I've always wanted to go there, I'm sure AC would sell a ticket through St Johns from London to Toronto.

I wonder, would the crew overnight in London, or turnaround with the aircraft and fly straight back to St Johns? Pushback at St Johns until landing at St Johns is 11 hours 45 mins.



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11881 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 12):
For AC831, if you are connecting, a wait will be required in YYT of about 5 hours (to YYZ) based on the current schedules.

With 5/6 daily LHR-YYZ flights as well as direct connections to YYZ via YHZ/YUL/YOW, don't think this is going to be a heavily travelled routing.



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11848 times:

Smart move by AC this will defiantly make pax on both sides of the pond happy. The XM'ed A319 will be a great product for these passengers. The A32X family just got it's ETOPS approval so from a technical stand-point this routing is doable. But for some reason I still have reservations about flying across the ocean is a baby bus.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11848 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 14):
don't think this is going to be a heavily travelled routing.

Thing is tho, on the current LHR -YYT - YYZ flights, AC offers routings to YYZ from YYT on the same day. I have done this trip myself Big grin



Lee



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User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 977 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11848 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 13):
I reckon this must be the last arrival of the day

not even close.
there are a number of evening flights from, YYZ, YUL (or maybe no longer?) and YHZ that are scheduled in between 12:00 and 1:00, but by far the worst is AC's late night from YYZ that is scheduled to get in around 3:00 a.m..


User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11781 times:

A319 Etops should be a nice ride... AC must have a few when they flew YUL-BGI?

I have Flown A319 to ORD and CYO in Business Class and it is very pleasant...

YYT-LHR not even a 5 hours flight

They use the plane YUL-LAX/SFO which seems longer than YYT-LHR

[Edited 2006-07-20 17:14:40]

User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11738 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 13):
I wonder, would the crew overnight in London, or turnaround with the aircraft and fly straight back to St Johns? Pushback at St Johns until landing at St Johns is 11 hours 45 mins.

My prediction: YYZ based crew will operate or DH to YYT. Layover, and operate a same-day turnaround. Layover in YYT, head back the next day. It's really no different than the current YYZ-BGI turnaround duty day. Also--infinitely cheaper to layover the crew in YYT versus LON.



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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11711 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 19):
My prediction: YYZ based crew will operate or DH to YYT. Layover, and operate a same-day turnaround. Layover in YYT, head back the next day. It's really no different than the current YYZ-BGI turnaround duty day. Also--infinitely cheaper to layover the crew in YYT versus LON

Very good point!


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11674 times:

Interesting move by AC......I assume that the rather unusual arrival and departure times on the London end of the flights is due to slots, it must be easier and cheaper during the evening hours (opposed to the early morning/afternoon rush at LHR). Will passengers accept these unususal flight times, or being that they have little choice, it does not matter?

User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11621 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 21):
Will passengers accept these unususal flight times, or being that they have little choice, it does not matter?

I certainly don't mind the flight times Big grin

Heck i'm just glad i'll be able to continue flying non stop to YYT from the UK when I need to Big grin



Lee



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User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11456 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
Yep. It seems obvious that the route is primarily, if not virtually exclusively, for O&D (VFR, leisure, perhaps some businesspeople) route. But are there any connections possible?

Gander on AC Connector and Deer Lake on Air Labrador will connect eastbound. Westbound connnections will involve an overnight at YYT. The YYT will also provide eastbound overflow cnx from YUL and YHZ.

Beyond-LHR outbound cnx will also be a problem with these timings. This sked is basically a daytripper like YYZ has.

[Edited 2006-07-20 18:39:45]

User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11356 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 21):
I assume that the rather unusual arrival and departure times on the London end of the flights is due to slots

That probably has something to do with it, but also imagine what an overnight flight would look like. YYT is 3:30 off of LHR. So a flight time of 4:30 going east would mean a total of 8 hours time change. The flight would have to leave YYT at 11pm to fly overnight and land during the LHR rush. That is a very short red-eye.



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25 EIRules : I wonder will this lead to us seeing AC A319s in DUB in the future? DUB is one of the only other destinations they could operate with A319 isnt it?
26 Dutchjet : YYT-DUB? I dont really see that happening....any AC service to Dublin would originate in Toronto and require 767s. The YYT-LHR route is a long standi
27 EIRules : Could a 319 make it DUB-Toronto via SNN?
28 Post contains images Dgehfx : I believe there is a requirement in the crew contract that a layover (min. of about 10 hours, or so) take place for an Atlantic crossing so I don't th
29 Sebring : Who the heck cares? Halifax has its own dedicated non-stop now.
30 Sebring : And larger aircraft coming next year. Some of those LHR-YYZ flights will be on 777s.
31 RoseFlyer : Those slots are not very valuable. They might have even been available as completely unused slots. There aren't any Transatlantic flights operating a
32 Cedarjet : I actually love the timings. Eastbound daytrippers are a new discovery for me, and I'm addicted to them. For one thing, checking in for a flight to th
33 FLYACYYZ : There's nothing unusual about these times at all. I think the vast majority of O/D traffic will welcome not losing a nights sleep. I think the timing
34 Post contains images YOW : The current YHZ-YYT-LHR routing, which has existed for years, has the YYT leg departing at 2355. So a 2300 departure wouldn't be anything out of the
35 Dutchjet : Yes, pax love arriving at their destination at 0040 in the middle of the night....and then go through immigration/baggage claims/customs and not be i
36 YULYMX : Will fly between YHZ-YUL/YYZ than back to YYT from either...
37 FLYACYYZ : Totally agreed. And some may disagree with you. Whatever.
38 Greenjet : Yeah but their body clocks will not be adjusted to those times. Besides it's mainly a leisure route and if you look at the timings of charter flights
39 Dutchjet : No, its really 4 oçlock in the morning per their body clocks when they arrive at YYT......that makes it better? Firstly, pax rarely get to chose the
40 StarGoldLHR : Perfect for a long weekend. I just flew this last week from DUB-SNN-YYZ on the AC767 From DUB-SNN the flight was rammed full (combination of sleepy W
41 Tugger : Gee Cedarjet..... what DO you do for a living? Sounds like a very intersting life! Tug
42 Post contains images AirCanada014 : wow I'm so happy AC will be using the A319 to overseas and that AC will continue to offer service to LHR from YYT during seasonal. I would love to try
43 Dutchjet : Nope.......the 739ER is not designed with those operations in mind. Remember, YYT is much closer to Europe than BOS, EWR, YUL, etc.
44 Post contains links CXH : For those not familiar with the background: It appears AC decided back in April to change the YHZ-YYT-LHR flight (usually a 763) into a YHZ-LHR non-st
45 AirCanada014 : If AC uses the A319 to LHR from YYT why don't they offer year round service with only 3 weekly flights instead of seasonal service? With small capacit
46 YVRlonghauler : Good move by AC! Feels kind of weird that it'd take me longer to fly transcon from YVR to YYT than from YYT to LHR.
47 Broocy : The timings were probably governed by two things. 1) The cost of slots at LHR, which are designed to encourage off peak use like this. 2) The market i
48 Connector4you : Very clever choice of words, I have to admit that. But here is how I read this: The UK - Canada open sky agreement is finally coming into effect this
49 AirCanada014 : It's going to be very interesting to see AC babybus flying over the Atlantic and Westjet babyboeing flying over the pacific. There will be lots of pic
50 ANother : Cost? Slots from the pool are free. They likely obtained them at the recent schedules conference in Vancouver. Any 'exchange' of slots, with or witho
51 YULYMX : I would guess so! Why not? it is still an international flight from AC the size of the plane shouldn't change that
52 ANother : This is a fairly busy time for widebodys at T3. T1 and T2 are getting quiet at that time.
53 YOW : Probably not, unless there is a good tail wind to get to LHR 1/2 hr early. Most of the YYT flights will be getting into LHR at or just after dusk.
54 Bmacleod : So from September 5 to April next year, no LHR flights from YYT. Any chance ZOOM will jump in?
55 YULYMX : Zoom could jump in but will do it with a combo city YYT-LHr can not fill up a B767 on a regularly basis...
56 YOW : Zoom would need to do something like YHZ-YYT-LGW (pretty much the routing AC are abandoning). I can't see Zoom entering any new markets until the rece
57 AirCanada014 : It would make sense for the A319 flying YYT to LHR will use the T3 at LHR
58 Klyk1980 : Very interesting schedule...and I love it...I already with a trip plan as follow..I liev in Toronto.. Morning departure from Toronto to St. Johns. Ove
59 Threepoint : Why, exactly? They'll all pretty much have to be taken under illumination, as it'll be getting dark at that time for much of the season.
60 AirCanada014 : well at least during summer time its still a bit of light out eh? What time does the sun go down at LHR during this time?
61 Noelg : These sorts of times have been used by AC before, I've flown LHR-YYZ departing at 9pm and arriving at midnight on AC before - an awful time to arrive
62 Pe@rson : I'd have thought that was an excellent time to arrive if you're going straight to bed, although if you catch an early flight you'd have the rest of t
63 AirCanada014 : Yes they still offer the 9pm its AC FLT# 859 LHR to YYZ and YYZ to LHR AC FLT# 858 10:50pm.. 858 is done by A330 and 859 is done by B767-300
64 Capital146 : Does anyone know when the LHR-YYT service will be available on AC's website? Have looked at dates in June 2007 but doesn't yet show the non-stop servi
65 AirCanada014 : Probably in the fall so people can start make the booking for April 2007?..
66 Post contains links and images Bmacleod : Well they're still upset at not getting year-round service. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/21072006/...der-fire-heathrow-flight-cuts.html From AC spokespe
67 Dutchjet : Is there? I am not challenging you, I simply do not know that much about the market and demand for flights from the Canadian Maritimes to London and
68 Lymanm : Well, it's possible there's more demand somewhere else that warrants this A319... I suppose one way you could directly impact year round service would
69 Chrisa330 : I love this quote the best: "Nor am I enthused with the company coming in saying, 'We'll provide the service during the peak tourism time and make mon
70 SQuared : If AC can make more money with that A319 elsewhere (i.e to Sun destinations) why shouldn't it? Why do people expect a private company to provide serv
71 Post contains images N1120A : It was Not really given that Air Canada is Canada's only major flag carrier and the aircraft has the legs to do a flight that is firmly supported eco
72 ChrisA330 : XM in Air Canada's context means "Extreme Makeover" their internal project name for their fleet refurb program.
73 Aircanada014 : Its a good timing for AC to do Extreme Makeover for all a/c especially for A319 just in time for YYT to LHR, passengers will be please with new IFE wi
74 YOW : Actually there isn't, at least, not without doing the flight as a YHZ-YYT-LHR routing. Even a YYT-LHR A319 wouldn't fill up enough during the wintert
75 9252fly : I'm sick and tired of listening to the sense of entitlement people in Newfoundland have about service to LHR. I do understand the significance of AC r
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