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Saudi Arabian Start Hong Kong Passenger Flights  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3177 times:

Service is just once a week currently, routing Riyadh-Manila-Hong Kong with a 744 flights from Jeddah will be added later on. SV Cargo have been in HKG since 2003, this is their first passenger operation to a Chinese city.

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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 345 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3157 times:
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Good news for SV, i know that that there is a big Philippines population in Saudi Arabia, and i guess opening HKG will expand the business for them.
would the have pax right from Manila-Kong Kong?
Best of luck SV



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User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

It already started on July 15th with HZ-AIV.

User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2453 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

Starting 29/10/06, all times UTC
SV854/SV859-2-744-RUH/MNL-0845/HKG/1015-MNL/RUH
SV856/SV855-6-744-JED/MNL-0925/HKG/1200-MNL/JED

One thing I don't understand - why does it go manila first then hong kong then back to manila? isnt that a bit out of the way?



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 1):
i know that that there is a big Philippines population in Saudi Arabia

I was most surprised to find out there are 30,000 Fillipino's in Lebanon and yet no direct service was established by PR or ME for Manila-Beirut via Dubai would have been best and PR most suited with A340.


User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

Only once a week to MNL from JED/RUH? Honestly, I can't make head or tails with SV's schedules. If I were traveling to MNL, I would much prefer EK, QR, or GF. Not only do they provide more frequencies, but the service is much better.


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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 345 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2671 times:
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Quoting 777way (Reply 4):
was most surprised to find out there are 30,000 Fillipino's in Lebanon and yet no direct service was established by PR or ME for Manila-Beirut via Dubai would have been best and PR most suited with A340.

well first time to hear that too, that's huge for such a small country, and i think you started a good question why neither PR or ME never operated that route i would say that ME planes wasn't to go for that ultra haul routes and i think like you said they would be making the connection in DBX through diffrent airlines that fly to MNL from DBX, about PR i hope there is someone from who can answer that questin for us about their planes.

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 5):
Only once a week to MNL from JED/RUH? Honestly, I can't make head or tails with SV's schedules. If I were traveling to MNL, I would much prefer EK, QR, or GF. Not only do they provide more frequencies

I hear you, i flew SV once long time ago, so i can't really judge their service nowadays but what i heared about QR makes me fly them even over EK



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User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 855 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

Hi there,

Haven't been here for a while.

Regarding the new HKG service, it is routed via MNL because it is an extension of the MNL flight rather than a new one. I believe they will eventually get their own 777 service once the route is established.

As for frequencies to MNL, SV operate between 4-5 flights a week from RUH and 2-3 flights a week from JED


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2453 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 7):
Regarding the new HKG service, it is routed via MNL because it is an extension of the MNL flight rather than a new one.

BUT Hong Kong is closer to Saudi Arabia than Manila is!!! Why is Manila the intermediate stop not Hong Kong?

If you fly Jeddah-Manila, you wil come through Hong Kong FIR FIRST, and THEN out to Manila FIR!!!



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 4):
I was most surprised to find out there are 30,000 Fillipino's in Lebanon and yet no direct service was established by PR or ME for Manila-Beirut via Dubai would have been best and PR most suited with A340.

A significant number of the 30,000 Filipinos in Lebanon work domestically and do not therefore travel very frequently between Lebanon and the Philippines. So it wouldn't make much sense to open a route to for this sort of traffic.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

Is the Filipino community the largest East Asian group in Lebanon? there are 12000 each of Indians, Bengalis and Sri Lankans there, and less than 500 Pakistani's yet PIA operated to BEY during the 90's using an A310 flights were via Abu Dhabi and Amman as did Sri Lankan from Colombo.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 8):
BUT Hong Kong is closer to Saudi Arabia than Manila is!!! Why is Manila the intermediate stop not Hong Kong?

PIA fly Islamabad-Hong Kong-Bangkok-Islamabad, and Lahore-Paris-Milan-Lahore and Lahore-Milan-Athens-Lahore now those are weirder routes.


User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 855 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 8):
BUT Hong Kong is closer to Saudi Arabia than Manila is!!! Why is Manila the intermediate stop not Hong Kong?

If you fly Jeddah-Manila, you wil come through Hong Kong FIR FIRST, and THEN out to Manila FIR!!!

I agree, it's not the best routing, but I guess they opted for the minimum change option.


User currently offlineDiesel33 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 8):
BUT Hong Kong is closer to Saudi Arabia than Manila is!!! Why is Manila the intermediate stop not Hong Kong?

If you fly Jeddah-Manila, you wil come through Hong Kong FIR FIRST, and THEN out to Manila FIR!!!

Don't forget that Manila is the established market here and SV probably didn't want to disrupt that considering the high number of competitors on the Middle East-Manila routes.

Also since there are not current non-stops between Hong Kong and Dubai (only direct flights), SV probably thought it didn't really matter where the passengers were required to stop.


User currently offlineBCA2005 From India, joined Sep 2005, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 12):
Also since there are not current non-stops between Hong Kong and Dubai (only direct flights), SV probably thought it didn't really matter where the passengers were required to stop.

Emirates EK 380/381 and Cathay Pacific CX 731/732/738/745/746 are all current nonstops


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2453 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

Cathay is doing 3x weekly Hong Kong-Bahrain-Riyadh-Hong Kong.

Cathay's 3x weekly schedule takes 10h55 from Hong Kong to Riyadh via Bahrain and 8h50 back nonstop.

Saudia's 1x weekly schedule takes 12h15 from Hong Kong to Riyadh via Manila and 12h30 back also via Manila.

For Saudi Arabian to start competing they have to do a bit better...



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User currently offlineKlyk1980 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

It is clear that MNL is a more important port for SV. Thats why they want to keep MNL with non-stop rather than put MNL a stopover. Maybe we will see routings like....Riyadh-Manila-Ho Chi Minh-Manila-Riyadh....in the future.just an example. But definitely SV will face intense competition with CX, EK, and Qatar.

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