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West Coast US/Canada - India N/S Flights?  
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

Are there any plans by Air Canada or any US airline to start non-stop flights to India from the west coast? Three non-stop flights from US to India are from Chicago (American Airlines), New York (Delta Airlines) and Newark (Continental Airlines). There is a huge demand for non-stop flighs from these business hubs but there is also a huge demand from San Francisco and Vancouver and maybe Los Angeles and Seattle. San Francisco I would say more because of the IT industry and Vancouver because of the huge Indian community primary from Punjab.

I know SJC is trying to get flights from India after the huge decrease of interantional flights from SJC from just five years ago can SJC support a non-stop flight?

Can United Airlines or Northwest Airlines or even a Indian airline start these non-stop flights?

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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

Maybe Air India or Kingsfisher when they get their long haul aircraft?


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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

Since AC will be getting brand new B777s and B787s there is possible AC will offer India via YVR?...

User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

Canada 3000 used to fly from YVR to India with the A340 for a few months before they went under.

I thought I saw on here not too long ago that AI was to start India-YVR within the next few years. Does anybody know anything about that?



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3993 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

Not sure of what's available from the west coast of North America right now, but very shortly look for AC to offer non-stop service from YVR, and UA, DL as well as AA to offer it from LAX & SFO. With a fairly open bilateral that India has with both the US and Canada it is just a mater of North American carriers having the long haul fleet capabilities to do this.

Quoting United777 (Thread starter):
I know SJC is trying to get flights from India after the huge decrease of international flights from SJC from just five years ago can SJC support a non-stop flight?

SJC wants them, but they really lack the ability to support them with SFO just up the road such a short distance. SEA would likely be the fourth WC airport to support such flights, but the proximity to YVR hurts them.



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User currently offlineBriguy1974 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5014 times:

This may sound crazy but why not AA from SJC??? I hate what AA has done in SJC but this just seems like a market that could jump start AA with there on and off again relationship with SJC. AA could really benefit from SJC offering differed landing fees that SJC is offering for new international service.

I have stated in other threads that AA could make SJC work if they really made SJC a focus city.

If AA added eagle flights to FAT, BFL, RDD, ACV, MFR, EUG, BOI, RNO and reinstated more JFK, BOS, MIA and RDU service and then added int. service to India, CDG, and NRT, HKG....( with some leisure markets in mexico like SJD and CUN) I just do not see how this could not be made to work.

SJC is a very cheap airport to fly into and they are offering incentives to added int. service...

This is the 3rd largest city in the most popular state, home of the Silicon Valley. One the most racially diverse populations in the world.

I know this will never happen but someone has to explain to me why??


User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

Quoting Briguy1974 (Reply 5):
I know this will never happen but someone has to explain to me why??

Proximity to SFO?



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User currently offlineCXH From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

Quoting Jayce (Reply 3):
Canada 3000 used to fly from YVR to India with the A340 for a few months before they went under.

Actually, Canada 3000 started to sell both YVR and YYZ to India but cancelled the YVR before the first flight flew. But yeah, the YYZ flight only lasted about 6 weeks before they went under. It was on their one and only 343.



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4791 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 4):
but very shortly look for AC to offer non-stop service from YVR, and UA, DL as well as AA to offer it from LAX & SFO

is this likely or is this speculation?

I think the earliest will be from IT (or maybe AI), since they have the needed ULH a/c on order.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

Quoting Briguy1974 (Reply 5):
This may sound crazy but why not AA from SJC??? I hate what AA has done in SJC but this just seems like a market that could jump start AA with there on and off again relationship with SJC. AA could really benefit from SJC offering differed landing fees that SJC is offering for new international service.

I've been saying this for quite some time now...but there are a few problems..

1)even though SJC's runway are long, the longer (and cooler) runways at SFO would provide a better alternative...
2)AA doesn't have enough 777's in the fleet (though that can probably be fixed with some fleet rejigging)
3)at 6700nm from SJC-DEL...AA's 777-200ER's might be weight restricted...though maybe not since DL is going JFK-BOM at 6777nm, but at 7326 nm, SJC-BOM would most probably be weight restricted

AA needs some 787's...that might work!



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User currently offlineWolsingerjet From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

Air Canada has been looking at launching YVR-DEL for sometime,I am sure once the carrier has the aircraft they will launch the route as there is high demand from western canada as a whole.


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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4782 times:

NW had plans for a SEA-AMS-BLR flight at one point recently, but it got scrapped shortly before service was scheduled to begin. Considering the fact that Microsoft has a large and growing campus near Bangalore and that the Seattle are has a growing Indian population, I suspect that we'll see a carrier in this market within the next few years.


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User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4769 times:

Quoting Wolsingerjet (Reply 10):
Air Canada has been looking at launching YVR-DEL for sometime,I am sure once the carrier has the aircraft they will launch the route as there is high demand from western canada as a whole.

didn't they even announce that route prior to 9/11?


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4738 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 8):
I think the earliest will be from IT (or maybe AI), since they have the needed ULH a/c on order

You're forgetting AC will receive their 777-200LR next year.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3993 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4669 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 8):
is this likely or is this speculation?

Likely since the market demands dictates it. But only from the major ports of entry on the west (LAX, SFO, YVR) and east coasts (NYC-JFK, YYZ) and the big one in the center at ORD.

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Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 13):
You're forgetting AC will receive their 777-200LR next year.

AC could easily start service to BOM or DEL from YVR or YYZ. By 2008 or 2009 DL will also likely have a few 777-200LRs in their fleet and will be able to better facilitate LAX or JFK flights.



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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 8):

I think the earliest will be from IT (or maybe AI), since they have the needed ULH a/c on order.

From Vancouver, it's not exactly ULH flying.


User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 14):

AC could easily start service to BOM or DEL from YVR or YYZ

They already fly YYZ-DEL, don't they?



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User currently offlineMnik101 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

When AI takes delivery on their 777LRs, you will dedfinitely see new West Coast. Especially service to the Bay Area. Definitely to SFO, but who knows maybe to SJC too. The loads are there.

User currently offlinePNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

Quoting Jayce (Reply 16):
They already fly YYZ-DEL, don't they?

YYZ-DEL was yanked in favor of one stop YYZ-ZRH-DEL I believe.


User currently offlineSjcrrpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

Quoting Jayce (Reply 6):
I know this will never happen but someone has to explain to me why??

Proximity to SFO?

That is exactly correct. If you move a flight from SJC to SFO, you will not lose a single customer if their is no other alternative flight for customers to take out of SJC. The other point of SJC is that almost all flights must be 100% O/D, there would be very little connecting traffic from there, unless an agreement was made with WN, which about owns that airport. And finally, SJC is curfew restricted.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

I think SFO-India would be a great way for UA to back to India. DEL or BOM would be great although that is pushing the range of their fleet. Maybe we will see it eventually, but UA has had plenty of time to restart India operations, yet they haven't. I still can't believe that AA started ORD-DEL instead of UA.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 11):
Seattle are has a growing Indian population

While SEA does have a growing Indian population, especially because of all of the tech industries, this is no where near large enough to support a flight. SEA gets a lot of people going to India because there are a lot of technology companies in Seattle and India.

The big problem with Seattle is that there is no feed. AS has feed, but won't fly long haul. NW could tap into that, but it would make more sense for them to fly to India via their hubs in AMS or NRT. They lack the planes at the moment since the A330 can't do it and the 744 is too big.



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User currently offlineYVRlonghauler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 15):
From Vancouver, it's not exactly ULH flying.

It's just over 6000nm according to the great circle mapper. At what point is it considered ULH?


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