MaiYYZ From Canada, joined Jul 2001, 35 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6306 times:
Varig, Vasp and other South American airlines used to fly to YYZ in the past. But currently, no airline from that region seen to be interested in starting service to YYZ or another city in Canada. There is any reason for? I know AC offers many flights to GRU, LIM, BOG, SCL, CCS and EZE. In the meantime, I know many airlines from Caribbean and Central America, like Cubana, TACA, BWIA, Air Jamaica fly to Toronto, and those routes are all served by AC too. My point is: there is more passenger/cargo demand between Canada and Caribbean/Central America than Canada and South America? Thanks for any comments.
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LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11519 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6234 times:
Quoting MaiYYZ (Thread starter): My point is: there is more passenger/cargo demand between Canada and Caribbean/Central America than Canada and South America? Thanks for any comments.
MaiYYZ, Canada investments in Brazil use to be even larger in the past than nowadays. Due to strong investments made by US, Spain, Portugal, France, UK and other countries like Mexico and also crisis on the 90's, the fleet reduction obligate airlines as RG to fly only for a little number of destinations. Furthermore, Brazilians use to immigrate to Canada during the 80's and 90's and this people dream has been changed in favor of Europe.
Talking about Brazil, Canada use to be a top 5 foreign investor, now is not among the top 10 (probably ranked 18th), so the demand is not so strong for C and F nowadays for two flights to YYZ.
Also, there are another explanation (geography), people outside YYZ could just go south and connect thru ATL, MIA, IAD, JFK, IAH or EWR. Seems to be for some people, closer than a flight XXX-YYZ-GRU
Concerning to Cargo, it's cheaper to consolidate thru the US than run cargo flights Canada-Brazil or even Argentina, Chile and other countries.
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SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2499 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6119 times:
There have been recent talks about Avianca being interested in flying to YYZ from BOG, paralel to Air Canada's current service. They would eventually market the flights together.
In my opinion, Avianca is fine codesharing with Air Canada on its three weekly services from Toronto to Bogota for now; the market still isn't that big anyways. It wouldn't surprise me one bit though if either airline decided to increase frequencies in the medium-term.
JJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5893 times:
What I know is that there is not too much pax market for 02 airlines. AC is very good not only to Canada but its connections to FarEast, what makes their loads good in keeping the amount of frequencies they have.
CXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1595 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5698 times:
The GTAA charges arguably the highest fees to operate at YYZ in the world. Carriers that once had flourishing operations have cut their YYZ operations as costs have risen-SQ, VS, and CM come to mind. In addition, alliances has made it easier-VG can cooperate with UA, US or AC to YYZ, LA has the assistance of AA through MIA and JFK, CM can connect its passengers through IAH with CO.
Connecting traffic to/from Canada via a U.S.A. Airport is only attractive for those who don't need U.S.A. Visas to travel to the States and don't mind going thru "post 9/11 Port-of-Entry formalities".
There's traffic between Latinamerica and Canada wishing for more non-stops flights to Canadian cities (mainly YYZ, YUL and YVR).
As of why Southamerican airlines don't fly to YYZ, I would say that maybe there are cases where the bilateral between a Latinamerican country and Canada don't allow the national airline to fly there but to other Canadian airports. That is the case of CM, an outdated bilateral allowing thrice weekly service to YUL (then YMX) and YVR.
Also there is the point of very expensive operating costs @ YYZ and YHM not being an interesting alternative (YYZ competitor) for an attractive Toronto flight from Southamerica.
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5475 times:
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 7): AV has plans to operate a daily flight from BOG to YYZ in partnership with AC. (4x weekly AC A319 and 3x weekly AV 757),
I can see AV supplementing AC's YYZ/BOG service, however I don't see AC returning to the A319's on the route. The 762 was deployed on the route, largely because of cargo. There are huge amounts of fresh cut flowers, and produce, that are shipped, that can't be left behind due to freight capacity restrictions.
NicolasRubio From Argentina, joined Sep 2005, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5454 times:
Quoting MaiYYZ (Thread starter): I know AC offers many flights to GRU, LIM, BOG, SCL, CCS and EZE. In the meantime, I know many airlines from Caribbean and Central America, like Cubana, TACA, BWIA, Air Jamaica fly to Toronto, and those routes are all served by AC too. My point is: there is more passenger/cargo demand between Canada and Caribbean/Central America than Canada and South America? Thanks for any comments.
You just answered your own question... The little demand is already covered by AC...
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