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B6 Discontinued EWR-SJU In September!  
User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

I haven't seen anyone discuss it here on Airliners....

But did anyone notice that JetBlue has discontinued the EWR-SJU flight(s) in September?

Rob

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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5186 times:

Do you mean that they discontinued them just for the month of September or discontinued permanently, as of September? If they are discontinued permanently, I can't say that I'm too surprised - the flight times were very limited and they never seemed to command any sort of substantial yields on the route.

User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

The route is permanently discontinued. Only since the summer have the planes left full. I can remember many flights in the 30's and 40's.

User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 818 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

seems about right. i just went to jetblue.com and looked at some dates. i've narrowed it down to Sept 11, 2006 when the last non-stop flight ends. starting 9/12/06 any passengers wanting to go from EWR to SJU will have to connect through MCO.

though it sucks to lose the non-stop flight...at least our passengers still have the option to get there through Orlando.

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2940 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 2):
The route is permanently discontinued.

B6 is demonstrating that they have low tolerance for under performing routes. AA is often criticized on this forum for doing the same thing, but if it isn't making money, then B6 is doing the right thing. They can deploy the assets elsewhere.


User currently offlineTouchdown777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4986 times:

B6 also did this with the non-stop JFK-SDQ route (flights 421/422). Being that they already fly to STI ... there were reasons for not having both destinations.

T7


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

That Jetlue quietly cancelled its EWR-SJU service is quite interesting, I was (wrongly) under the impression that EWR-SJU was one of the better performing JetBlue routes out of EWR....as far as loads and yeilds, I was clearly wrong if they are dumping the route. This is the second route that JetBlue has dropped out of EWR: EWR-TPA was dropped a few months ago although some say it will be returning for the busier winter season.

A couple of things to consider:

1. JetBlue's plans for EWR did not work out exactly as planned....operating out of CO's EWR hub is a different enviornment than at JFK. CO must be given credit for putting up a very good defense against JetBlue at EWR.

2. On a more general note, this shows that every route that JetBlue opens is not going to work out and JetBlue is facing the same issues as other carriers with respect to loads and yeilds. Its especially interesting that EWR-SJU did not catch-on....it would seem like a "no-brainer" connecting a NYC airport (JetBLue is stongest at its NYC homebase) and SJU, a highly travelled route with lots of VFR and leisure traffic looking for reasonable fares. I am not being anti-JetBLue, its just becoming clear that its not going to be simple for JetBlue to find profitable routes for keep their rapidly growing fleet busy.


User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4788 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
SJU was one of the better performing JetBlue routes out of EWR....as far as loads and yeilds

Not out of EWR. It only recently started picking up - definately due to summer. So many times this plane was only booked to 25 - 40 people...it was sad really.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
some say it will be returning for the busier winter season

One daily roundtrip restarts 9/14/06

[Edited 2006-07-21 14:12:23]

User currently offlineFLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4773 times:

so will we see EWR-SJU return next summer?

User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
B6 is demonstrating that they have low tolerance for under performing routes

Nowadays, all airlines should have a low tolerance for under performing routes.

I'm curious to what the longest running route that loses money is??? Anybody??



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User currently offlineB6DC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4669 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
I was (wrongly) under the impression that EWR-SJU was one of the better performing JetBlue routes out of EWR....as far as loads and yeilds, I was clearly wrong if they are dumping the route.

You were right, the loads were fantastic. When the flight first started in Nov through around President's day, you couldn't get a seat. Between March and June, the loads were terrible. Again now, they're back up - supporting two non stops most of the week. The general thinking in pulling this flight was that the equiptment would better serve the company on a higher yield route, and is in no way a reflection of the general operation @ EWR. The fact of the matter is, I know several AA FA's that have told me that we have been hurting their EWR-SJU route since we launched. We are still very happy about the performance @ EWR. TPA is coming back thanks to customers going on the website and "telling us where to fly" Welcome back TPA!


User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4589 times:

Quoting B6DC10 (Reply 10):
I know several AA FA's that have told me that we have been hurting their EWR-SJU route since we launched

Could this be because you are hurting their yeilds? I know when I booked a EWR to SJU trip it was right around $200. The flights were pretty full and I only booked a little over a week in advance. I paid more to go to PBI and booked a few months in advance.


User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4489 times:

I'm not really suprised, EWR is CO's baby and they aren't going to give it up or even let someone compete with them. CO will viciously protect EWR to the bitter end and isn't going to let B6 expand and make money.


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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3012 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 8):
so will we see EWR-SJU return next summer?

I honestly would think so. Those planes are going out extremely full everday until mid-August.

As far as the route being cut (for as long as we can book on jetblue.com right now), I'm not surprised. The yields in the winter were truly terrible - $79 o/w isn't going to make anyone money, especially when only 25 people are flying on that plane.

On the other hand, JetBlue did pull down some EWR-Florida frequencies and from what I've heard they're very impressed with the results. I like the idea of EWR being a Florida-only city for JetBlue as that's really the only market I see them being able to successfully compete in. In addition, if people really want to fly to SJU via B6, they can connect in MCO.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4465 times:

That is too bad for B6. However, I am not too surprised. The honeymoon is over and the hard work is now ahead for B6. I do believe this is the first of several routes to be cut and maybe even some cities that may be underperforming.

I am not wishing them bad luck or anything. I have flown B6 3-4 times and it was fine but not the best thing since sliced bread. Could it be that in the EWR market that the majority of customers are used to a more "Legacy" type service that offered FC, more destinations, etc.? I hope B6 does well but they cannot be everything to everybody all the time.

Could EWR be another ATL for B6?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4418 times:

Quoting Touchdown777 (Reply 5):
Being that they already fly to STI ... there were reasons for not having both destinations.

STI and SDQ are nowhere near each other.

Quoting Nkops (Reply 9):
Nowadays, all airlines should have a low tolerance for under performing routes.

It, sadly, is not that easy. Often one underperforming route can positively contribute towards feed for other routes.



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User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4385 times:

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 2):
The route is permanently discontinued

Yes, another B6 route from EWR bites the dust...

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
B6 is demonstrating that they have low tolerance for under performing routes

Funny a few months ago everyone was saying how much money the route made..


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3012 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4368 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 16):
Funny a few months ago everyone was saying how much money the route made..

No one ever said that EWR-SJU was a moneymaker. It was actually pretty crappy since its launch. The only time the route should be making money is the summer, Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter.

EWR-Florida wasn't that great this past year, but with the reduced frequencies and higher fares, the routes should be performing a lot better.

JetBluefan1



Most people on a.net hate JetBlue. Get used to it.
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2940 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4368 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 16):
Funny a few months ago everyone was saying how much money the route made..

Aw come on Malpensa...you should know by now that the Blue Crew on A.net claims every route B6 operates is packed and profitable. Then when it gets suspended/cancelled, there is a gasp of disbelief.  Smile

Could this route cancellation have anything to do with the 5 buses being leased away?


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 18):
Aw come on Malpensa...you should know by now that the Blue Crew on A.net claims every route B6 operates is packed and profitable. Then when it gets suspended/cancelled, there is a gasp of disbelief

LOL....

Great one, I know there always seems to be an excuse for a failed route from someone everytime an airline cuts a route. Makes me think of AA cutting DFW-LIM and blaming WN... LOL... NW dropping JFK-NRT to use the plane elsewhere? ...LOL... Or B6 saying that they couldnt make ATL work, as they needed the plane elsewhere?...LOL... Always an excuse..


User currently offlineDaisywol From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4272 times:

As i said before, you must drink the blue kool aid everyday and chant along with all the other B6 crewmembers

User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3599 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4253 times:

"Yes, another B6 route from EWR bites the dust..."


I'm assuming you mean TPA, but yet . . .

'Daily nonstop service between Newark, NJ and Tampa Bay, FL (TPA) starts September 14, 2006.' www.jetblue.com


PJ


User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4234 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
EWR-TPA was dropped a few months ago although some say it will be returning for the busier winter season.

Yep, it's going to be a seasonal flight for TPA. Eventually a fulltime E190 schedule.

[Edited 2006-07-21 18:38:51]


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4191 times:

Quoting B6DC10 (Reply 10):
You were right, the loads were fantastic. When the flight first started in Nov through around President's day, you couldn't get a seat. Between March and June, the loads were terrible. Again now, they're back up - supporting two non stops most of the week. The general thinking in pulling this flight was that the equiptment would better serve the company on a higher yield route, and is in no way a reflection of the general operation @ EWR. The fact of the matter is, I know several AA FA's that have told me that we have been hurting their EWR-SJU route since we launched. We are still very happy about the performance @ EWR. TPA is coming back thanks to customers going on the website and "telling us where to fly" Welcome back TPA!

When a carrier is selling tickets for $39 each way (or whatever it was), its rather difficult to make money even if the planes are at 100% full capacity....

B6 took a chance...didn't work out...move on.......good business decision.. checkmark 



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4174 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 13):
if people really want to fly to SJU via B6, they can connect in MCO.

why would someone, anyone want to connect on jetblue to anywhere? Aren't they more or less a point to point airline? Just the thought of having a layover on Jetblue isnt a very comforting feeling.


25 Letsgetwet : I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I still predict that eventually B6 will leave EWR completely.
26 Jetbluefan1 : I'm assuming you're talking about the delays? I agree that flying out of EWR all together isn't the most comforting feeling - as there are ground del
27 JetBluefan1 : You won't get flamed if you back up your argument with valid facts. I personally disagree with you. I thought that SJU was an oddball route from the
28 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Except for the fact they are restarting the route. I saw this coming. It started off with horrible times and if they started off with good times it c
29 Dutchjet : I dont think that JetBlue will drop EWR completely, but I do think that JetBlue will fine tune its routes out of EWR and focus exclusively on the pop
30 Klwright69 : I tend to agree..... I like how you said "eventually." I started a thread awhile back about B6 at EWR. My observation, noted by studying CO's website
31 Luv2fly : One problem with the flight is it is pushing it to catch a cruise on the outbound from EWR and on the return it is way to late for the return from SJU
32 Dutchjet : I agree.....the JetBlue flights did not work at all for passengers taking cruises in and out of SanJuan (which is a huge market).....the value minded
33 JetBluefan1 : I should have clarified. The flight times seemed to be a bit "oddball." I know that JetBlue runs a lot of Caribbean red-eyes out of JFK, but that's t
34 Post contains images MalpensaSFO : Isnt this the second year in a row Jet Blue has announced this? Is this a contradiction of sorts - Seasonal, Fulltime?
35 JetBluefan1 : Um...no. This is the first time JetBlue is reinstating EWR-TPA service. He said that for now, the service is seasonal. However, eventually it will be
36 B6FAN : I am pretty sure EWR-SJU will come back for busy seasons...
37 Dutchjet : I think that we have a difference of opinion in the JetBlue camp.
38 Post contains images SKYYBLUE : LOL. . Maybe, but thats ok. As long as we're making money on the route, I'd love to see it come back. That was one of my favorite pairings. JFK-EWR (
39 Letsgetwet : It must cost a ton of $$ to shuttle an aircaft back and forth between JFK and EWR!
40 LTU932 : I presume this means it was mostly, if not only, VFR traffic on EWR-SJU. Am I correct with that?
41 SKYYBLUE : The aircraft stays in EWR. JetBlue has a car that drives this shuttle. Good time to sleep!
42 JetBlueNYFL : Folks, first please notice that this statement is coming from someone at DELTA. The airline that lost a great deal of customers to the newer, hipper
43 CentPIT : I agree...in my opinion B6 should pull out of EWR! CO is not going to let them make a large profit with the hub there. B6 should be going into market
44 SPAZOLAJBLULGB : I'm sure we will,we have added another TPA-EWR in Sept.No worries, why waste fuel on East Coast routes that are seasonal,when we can do better with m
45 SPAZOLAJBLULGB : [quote=JetBlueNYFL,reply=42][/quote Ah, miss enformed grasshopper! Our ATL flights did well once the "DELTA CURSE" was lifted . Air Trans leasing 320'
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