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Old Intl Terminal At SFO  
User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3832 times:

Hey everyone, i came back from Beiing on Tuesday around noon, on CA985 and while taxing to the terminal, i noticed that the old intl terminal had no more cement traffic divider blocks around it. Is this s sign that the terminal will be put back into use soon?

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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6143 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 3722 times:

Nothing soon. The barriers were removed since tarmac replacement was finished and some airlines use the area to over night planes. Interior, there was nothing going on last time I was there.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

There was talk a while back about Virgin America taking over the entire concourse. That as we all know is still up in the air. Before that the hot rumors were that American Airlnes wanted the terminal to themselves as they were going to replace SJC with SFO. Both of which have yet to be seen.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2924 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 2):
Before that the hot rumors were that American Airlnes wanted the terminal to themselves as they were going to replace SJC with SFO. Both of which have yet to be seen.

Yeah, that was the plan. AA had ambitions during the Silicon Valley boom to move into this terminal. Of course that didn't happen, although I would like to see AA and AS move into that terminal together. Nonetheless the buzz is Virgin America might move in since it is the only space left at SFO for any significant operation..

We shall see.


User currently offlineMnik101 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

What happened to the airlines at Rotunda A since they closed it? Weren't they going to move to Terminal 2?

User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

AS739X is correct. The cement blocks were removed during tarmac repaving. Now the area is used for aircraft overnight parking. Late at night you can see up to 4 NW aircraft and 4 AA parked there.

The airlines formerly located in Rotunda A were USAirways and Midwest Express. US has since moved to HP at T1, where there were plenty of underutilized gate space since demise of TW. Midwest Express followed suit.

The old International Terminal is still used for storage, TSA offices, and the medical clinic.


User currently offlineSJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 1):
Before that the hot rumors were that American Airlnes wanted the terminal to themselves as they were going to replace SJC with SFO.



So who started that rumor and what would be the point of AA doing that? AA does not have a hub at SJC. The only AA planes I ever see at SJC are ERJ's and M80's. I'm sure that almost all of the passengers on those planes live near SJC, so almost 100% O/D at SJC for AA, and if you moved the flights to SFO the people who were on those flights would would just book with WN, because nobody in San Jose wants to drive to SFO for a one hour flight to LAX. So than AA would need to find a way to fill those ERJ's and M80's with a different set of customers. Seems like a pointless exercise to me.


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 6):
So who started that rumor and what would be the point of AA doing that? AA does not have a hub at SJC. The only AA planes I ever see at SJC are ERJ's and M80's.

It was not a rumor, and if it was it was started by the AA people in both Los Angeles and San Francisco. AA did have a hub at San Jose, thus San Jose helped to construct the new terminal with all of the expansion plans that American Airlines had up until a year or so ago. AA rotates the 777, 757 into and out of San Jose. SJC-NRT on a ERJ seems like a strech!

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 6):
I'm sure that almost all of the passengers on those planes live near SJC, so almost 100% O/D at SJC for AA, and if you moved the flights to SFO the people who were on those flights would would just book with WN, because nobody in San Jose wants to drive to SFO for a one hour flight to LAX.

Yes American Airlines relied to much on the San Jose O/D and were burnt big time with Taipei, Tokyo, Paris, New York, Boston, Honolulu, Washington D.C., and Kahului among others. Contrary to what you may be eluding to San Francisco is one of the largest O/D markets in the World and not San Jose. Like or not come October the folks in San Jose are going to have to fly to LAX, or drive to SFO if they plan on flying to Tokyo.


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 6):
So who started that rumor and what would be the point of AA doing that? AA does not have a hub at SJC. The only AA planes I ever see at SJC are ERJ's and M80's

I'm sure the daily (soon to leave, if not already) 777 and 757 were out on a lunch break when you were there....

Mind you there are also 738's and 767's on a need-only basis. Though due to reductions this is soon to disappear. Sad to see the SJC-NRT route cut, that it was always a nice treat.

Thanks,

Matt



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User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

My company did some work on SFO when building the new terminal.
I used to do work from a grim office with no windows under the control tower and above the immigration area in the early 2000's.

I have to say I dont miss that terminal.

Even the shops were pretty poor.

I understood the terminal was to get a massive re-fit in a 5-10 year plan starting in 2002 until 2012, however the massive cost over runs and delays on the new terminal, the crash on the monorail just before it opened, and the dot com bust put these plans to rest.

I understand there are structural issues with the terminal also, which was the original reason for the desired new terminal move (that and joining the 20th Century).

I wouldnt imagine the terminal to be reopened much before a year from when you first start seeing scaffolding and workers on the roof.



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User currently offlineSjcrrpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 7):
Contrary to what you may be eluding to San Francisco is one of the largest O/D markets in the World and not San Jose.

No I was not eluding to that. What I was saying was SJC is ALL O/D, and SFO actually has traffic bound for other destinations. This is the problem with SJC, unless local traffic can support a flight it cannot happen. My point was that the only AA planes I ever see at SJC are ERJ's and M80's (and a soon to be departed 777) and those little planes are full of O/D PAX's that will not use SFO, those PAX's will simply switch to AS and WN.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6143 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

SJCRRPAX/MXPSFO: It was actually more then a rumor. It was almost an actual event. UA wanted the E gates, which they own, and so AA had to go somewhere. The AA lease was almost up. AA has/had done facility evaluations, but this will be costly to bring the terminal up to status. I was hoping for an LAX T-4 type of thing, but they won't spend the money now. To bad.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

For those of you that don't remember, SJC used to be a large hub for AA, serving two purposes. First, it connected north-south traffic. Second, it connected traffic from the north and south for points easts.

In the early 90s, every flight between ORD and SJC was a DC-10 or 767.

Then, after scaling the hub down, AA sold it to QQ, except for flights to ORD and DFW.

By buying QQ, AA effectively bought back its SJC hub. But with the dot.com bust and 9/11, AA just hasn't been able to generate the traffic needed to keep SJC as a hub.


User currently offlineBestpilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 12):
SJC used to be a large hub for AA

SJC was never a hub, but a focus city.

I think the old Intl Terminal at SFO should be used as an observation area.


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

Quoting Bestpilot (Reply 13):
I think the old Intl Terminal at SFO should be used as an observation area.

LOL... What would the paranoia ridden TSA jokes say about that?


User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2714 times:

Quoting Bestpilot (Reply 13):

I think the old Intl Terminal at SFO should be used as an observation area.

It's actually used for other purposes for now. I once walked inside T2 to see a dinner banquet going on (a banquet for a church, I was told).


User currently offlineSFOFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 2708 times:

Speaking of the AA Hub (or whatever you want to call it) in San Jose. IIRC, it was USAir that originally occupied Terminal A at SJC. Then with the leaving of USAir @ SJC, AA and WN moved in. Am I correct?


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User currently offlineBOSSAN From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Quoting SFOFlyer (Reply 16):
IIRC, it was USAir that originally occupied Terminal A at SJC. Then with the leaving of USAir @ SJC, AA and WN moved in. Am I correct?

Sort of. Terminal A was built for USAir and American, but USAir got to begin operations first.

Quote:
Travel Weekly, February 22, 1990

San Jose Anticipates New Era With Opening of Airport Facilities

* SAN JOSE, Calif. - The opening of its first new terminal in 25 years and a long-awaited U.S. Customs facility at San Jose Airport have airport officials heralding a new era in air travel for Silicon Valley.

The first flight from Terminal A departed Feb. 11, when USAir began operating from its four gates in the sleek new facility.

American Airlines will move to Terminal A this fall after completing an eight-gate annex it is building to serve greater-than-anticipated traffic at its year-old San Jose hub.


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

Quoting Bestpilot (Reply 13):
SJC was never a hub [for AA], but a focus city.

It was a small hub. But if there is such a thing as a hub that's too small to be called a hub, how small is that?


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Quoting Bestpilot (Reply 13):
Quoting Ckfred (Reply 12):
SJC used to be a large hub for AA

SJC was never a hub, but a focus city.

A good friend of mine is a pilot with AA. When he joined AA in 1989, SJC was listed as a hub, along with ORD, DFW, MIA, BNA, and RDU. Now, SJC and SFO were one crew base, just as EWR, JFK, and and LGA are part of the New York crew base.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

SJC was indeed a hub with AA. A short lived hub.. shorter than BNA and RDU.. but a hub none the less...


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User currently offlineBriguy1974 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Still could be if they made an investment, with new incentives offered by SJC AA seems crazy not to open new int. markets there...

User currently offlineSJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

Quoting Briguy1974 (Reply 21):
Still could be if they made an investment, with new incentives offered by SJC AA seems crazy not to open new int. markets there...



Oh gee, now you've done it. All the people that think San Jose is some little hick town between Fresno and Bakersfield are going to jump on you now. I've about given up telling people that SJ is the 10th largest city in the U.S., is the High Tech center of the US, has 2.5 million people living within 30 minutes of the airport, and almost all of the international flights out of SFO have a huge percentage of Santa Clara County Residents on board. It's really no use, to those people AA made the biggest mistake an Airline could ever make by trying international service at SJC. Demographics be dammed, SJ is a small little city, maybe somewhere between LA and San Diego.


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 22):
Oh gee, now you've done it. All the people that think San Jose is some little hick town between Fresno and Bakersfield are going to jump on you now. I've about given up telling people that SJ is the 10th largest city in the U.S., is the High Tech center of the US, has 2.5 million people living within 30 minutes of the airport, and almost all of the international flights out of SFO have a huge percentage of Santa Clara County Residents on board. It's really no use, to those people AA made the biggest mistake an Airline could ever make by trying international service at SJC. Demographics be dammed, SJ is a small little city, maybe somewhere between LA and San Diego.

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User currently offlineMikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 712 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2160 times:
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Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 22):
Demographics be dammed, SJ is a small little city, maybe somewhere between LA and San Diego.

Actually right after San Diego - San Jose is #3 in terms of population - we are supposedly the Bay Area's largest city (population and perhaps square mileage) - we just don't have that little bridge.



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25 Post contains images Bohica : And Cable Cars, Fisherman's Wharf, Pier 39, Coit Tower, Golden Gate Park, Alcatraz, a bigger bridge, etc, etc, etc. Sorry, I couldn't resist. No harm
26 Mnik101 : When did this turn into a SF SJ war? come on now, you guys are better than that. I live in San Jose and I know how old and dilapidated SJC is, and tha
27 Briguy1974 : Terminal remodel on hold until Virgin America makes definite plans...again. AA wanted to move there but cost were deemed to high. I talked to a airpor
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