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ANA To Australia?  
User currently offlineCtang From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Does ANA have any plans to commence flying to Australia in the near future?

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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

Quoting Ctang (Thread starter):
Does ANA have any plans to commence flying to Australia in the near future?

It would provide JL with some competition on routes to australia and bring the fares down as well


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3200 times:

I thought ANA already flew to SYD - do they not? Well they used to anyway. I think that if they don't fly here, they will soon. Good connections to NZ flights aswell.

User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 2):
I thought ANA already flew to SYD - do they not? Well they used to anyway. I think that if they don't fly here, they will soon. Good connections to NZ flights aswell.

No they currently do serve it only JL and QF and AO used to from CNS. Some of the QF flights to Japan maybe taken over by Jetstar.

The NZ connections would be good but don't JL or NZ fly to Japan direct??


User currently offlineCX777Fan From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

ANA haven't flown to oz for quite a long time. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I had a hunch they started codesharing when Ansett started flying internationally. With the demise of AN, they didn't recommence flights. QF and JL essentially have a duopoly on the route for direct travel, however travel agents in Japan sell heavily discounted connecting flights on the likes of EVA, SQ & CX to holiday makers who aren't so worried about adding a transit stop. Perhaps there isn't enough business in the nose of the plane to justify NH putting flights on. As it is QF send their old, 2-class 743s on the route. (Y seat pitch on those old birds is VERY tight!!!).

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Interesting that Japan to Oz is so poorly served. Or at least, I would have thought it would be a high-yield, three-class, newest-planes-in-the-fleet route. Instead, it's 747-300s from both QF and JL, no first class, indeed Osaka-Sydney is served not by Japan Air Lines proper but JALways.

That said, I flew with JALways last Aug from Sydney to Osaka on one of their 747-300s and it was one of the best flights I've ever had. But still, I would think Sydney to Tokyo would be like London to NY but it's more like Paris (Orly) to St Maarten: old 747s with as many economy seats as they can squeeze in, and some old style business class in the nose and upstairs and that's yer lot.



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User currently offlineNZ8800 From New Zealand, joined May 2006, 425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 3):
The NZ connections would be good but don't JL or NZ fly to Japan direct??

Air New Zealand fly to Tokyo Narita and Osaka Kansai from Auckland only.
Some flights return to Auckland via Christchurch. No outbound flights to Japan are via Christchurch. Domestic flights are used to connect to departures from Auckland instead.
Flights are operated by three class 777-200ER aircraft.

NZ126 MEL - AKL connects with the flight to NRT 6 days a week
NZ106 SYD - AKL connects with the flight to NRT 6 days a week
NZ138 BNE - AKL connects with the flight to NRT on Monday only.

NZ126 MEL - AKL connects with the flight to KIX 5 days per week.
NZ106 SYD- AKL connects with the flight to KIX 4 days per week.
NZ138 BNE - AKL connects with the flight to KIX Monday and Tuesday.

Note some of these connections involve some hours of sitting around at Auckland Airport, possibly an overnight stay at Auckland. The main point I think, would be to get a more comfortable flight, and/or more choice in class of service offered.

AKL - NRT is served daily.
AKL - KIX is served Mo,Tu,We,Th,Sa,Su

This is a little complicated, so would on the whole recommend an overnight in Auckland each way, and seeing either the airline at their travelcentre, or a travel agent.

More information at Star Alliance and Air New Zealand



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User currently onlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2902 times:

There are no non-stop Star Alliance between NRT-SYD. Ansett use to do Osaka-Brisbane. To go from Japan to Australia you have to tak SQ, NZ or Thai. It really is surprising that there are no Star carriers!

User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2078 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

NH abandoned the route when the yields dilluted- they could not justify sending aircraft to Australia with valuable Narita landing slots. Their operation used to be 747 NRT-SYD-NRT, 763 KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX. First the NRT service was cancelled, then they code-shared with AN (buying 75% of AN's 744 seats) for the KIX flight. However, when AN ceased operations, NH decided to forget the whole thing. I don't even know if they still maintai their own sales office in Australia anymore- their staff in-fighting was always a pleasure to watch at many an industry social function!!!

User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

I guess that accounts for the strange situation. I mean there is an ANA hotel in the Gold Coast and there are no NH flights that serve oz. Is that hotel still there?

And JL777/778 KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX will cease operations later on this year (at least that's what I heard)



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting ETA Unknown (Reply 8):
their staff in-fighting was always a pleasure to watch at many an industry social function!!!

Oh man, that sounds promising. Go on then, tell us.

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 9):
there is an ANA hotel in the Gold Coast

Is there not a huge ANA hotel in Sydney, right on Circular Quay? The cocktail lounge on the very top floor (40?) was ace, haven't been there for a while but I'm sure it's still been the ANA Sydney when I've been past.



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 9):
And JL777/778 KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX will cease operations later on this year (at least that's what I heard)

Currently how many times a week does JL fly to Australia??


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Hmm... JL 761 is from NRT-BNE, this is a daily service. Currently they have like their B747-200B deployed on this route. But I think in the high season, it goes up to a B744. JL 771 is from NRT-SYD and flown with a B744. KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX is currently daily and operated with B743 from Jalways. So it makes it 21 times a week to oz from Japan on a Japanese airline.


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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 12):
Hmm... JL 761 is from NRT-BNE, this is a daily service. Currently they have like their B747-200B deployed on this route. But I think in the high season, it goes up to a B744. JL 771 is from NRT-SYD and flown with a B744. KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX is currently daily and operated with B743 from Jalways. So it makes it 21 times a week to oz from Japan on a Japanese airline.

Ah thanks for that info Ktachiya. I think once jetstar Intl is introduced there will be very little of QF in Japan.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 13):
I think once jetstar Intl is introduced there will be very little of QF in Japan.

So why is Japan such a low yield destination? I would have thought it was the highest yield destination for Qantas. Instead, it would appear to be the lowest. Thoughts?



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25512 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 14):
So why is Japan such a low yield destination?

Mostly Japanese tourist whom visit Australia.

Not as bad as Japan-Hawaii, however traffic is predominately lower yield leisure traffic. Eventough Japan-Australia are major trade partners there is limited premium demand.



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 15):
Mostly Japanese tourist whom visit Australia.

Not as bad as Japan-Hawaii, however traffic is predominately lower yield leisure traffic. Eventough Japan-Australia are major trade partners there is limited premium demand.

Exactly right. Also Qantas continously states that is very expensive for them to operate flights to Japan and they don't have the right cost structure.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

I guess the high costs at NRT are hurting them. But then, KIX is no good either.......

I see,



Sorry, I think you and I posted almost at the same time so I didn't catch that.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 10):
Is there not a huge ANA hotel in Sydney, right on Circular Quay? The cocktail lounge on the very top floor (40?) was ace, haven't been there for a while but I'm sure it's still been the ANA Sydney when I've been past.

I didn't know. I thought there was a Nikko but I only went to SYD once and that was a while ago.

Yes, but see ppl often say that OZ and Japan is basically leisure traffic. But that is the structure for routes like YVR right? If then, why can YVR be so profitable and OZ is a money loser? I never quite understood that. Can someone shed light on that?



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User currently offlineCX777Fan From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

ANA hotel in Sydney changed hands to Shangri-la some time ago. However it was still operating as ANA hotel for several years after NH ceased flights. I assume the big travel agent companies in Japan (JTB, HIS et al) were still booking tourists into a familiar hotel, even if they were flying JL, QF or perhaps indirectly on a Star carrier.

Presumably also, ANA had some sort of lease or business agreement on the building which couldn't be cancelled at the same time as flights ended.

[Edited 2006-07-23 10:11:11]

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