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Thomsonfly To Increase Legroom On Long-haul  
User currently offlineBananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1573 posts, RR: 23
Posted (8 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7739 times:

According to Travel Weekly, due to print on Monday....

"Thomson will revamp its long-haul fleet to offer extra legroom in economy for summer 2007. It will remove 30 seats from Thomsonfly's Boeing 767's taking seat pitch from 30 to 33 inches on all routes in the operator's Faraway Shores and Florida programmes, out next week. A Premium seat with a 37-inch pitch will be available from an additional £129 return."

No mention of what other (if any) enhancements they will make to the cabin.


Mark


All my life, I've been kissing, your top lip 'cause your bottom one's missing
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User currently offlineBALboy From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2000, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7658 times:

The new cabins for the 763 will begin to be installed in feb2007, for official launch in May 2007

Features are... 33 or 34" in economy and 37 or 38" in premium, not sure which measurment is correct yet.

Economy seats are brand new, leather, featuring a 7" PTV with touch screen controls. Option to upgrade to AVOD and headsets are provided free of charge. Economy renamed ThomsonFly PLUS.

Premium... Blue leather armchair style seating with 9" AVOD PTV.

Don't know if the overhead bins and panels are being replaced like on the 762's yet, but a bit of mood lighting is a possibility.

Also a team of cabin crew are in meetings at the moment to discuss a brand new cabin service.

Definately a step in the right direction..


User currently offlineArdian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7626 times:

Great move from Thomsonfly. Hopefully it will be a standard for charter carriers: First Choice was probably one of the first with a great inflight service for a charter carrier. Hopefully Martinair (for the Dutch holidaymakers) will follow; their inflight product is normal, but a bit dated in my opinion.

User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7610 times:

Will the seating be 2-4-2 or 2-3-2?

User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7595 times:

Quoting Richardw (Reply 3):
Will the seating be 2-4-2 or 2-3-2?

Exactly my question, as if they don't FCA will still have an advantage,

Sam



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineBananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1573 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7567 times:

Quoting A340600 (Reply 4):
Quoting Richardw (Reply 3):
Will the seating be 2-4-2 or 2-3-2?

Exactly my question, as if they don't FCA will still have an advantage,

Sam

I would guess that they are keeping 2-4-2, given the number of seats they say they are removing. FC website says they took out more than 50 from their 767's.


Mark



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7547 times:

So only good if you are taller and not wider. like the sound of the premium seats though.

User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7545 times:

Sounds great! Good to see Thomsonfly improving themselves aswell as expanding! Look forward to seeing the new cabin, I'll be flying in one next year!  Smile


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13029 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7486 times:

Competition is good sometimes as in this case. Sure you can sell a seat cheap, but if previous flyers complain about the lack of room, you may lose customers. It may also reduce risks of DVT as well as with all the luggage tourists take with them the gross weight of the a/c, saving fuel.

User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7384 times:

How wide are the seats in a 767 in 2-4-2 versus 2-3-2, and how does that compare to a 757? I'll take 34" of legroom and 2-4-2 as opposed to a 1" wider seat and 29" of pitch.

I do like this trend though, I flew on TCX 757 with 34" pitch and it was truly great. I will go out of my way to get legroom like that again, over anything else, price of course being the main factor.



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7356 times:

Following in the footsteps of FCX i see. Good to see my favourite charter airline modernising a bit

Tom


User currently offlineHighpeaklad From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7303 times:

Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 9):
I'll take 34" of legroom and 2-4-2 as opposed to a 1" wider seat and 29" of pitch.

I agree. I flew ATA MAN-MCO a few years ago and was dreading a charter flight. When I got on board I was pleasantly surprised. OK , it was 10 abreast, but the leg-room felt about 33" certainly plenty of room. We also stopped at Gander on the way to refuel, it was just like being on a school trip, they said get off, stretch your legs, get some ice cream and we'll see you back here in 45 minutes. Best charter flight yet, so I'm all for more leg room!

Chris



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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7282 times:
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Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 9):
How wide are the seats in a 767 in 2-4-2 versus 2-3-2, and how does that compare to a 757?

Seat widths as follows (FCA data)

B757
17.2" (6 abreast, economy)

A320/321
17.9" (6 abreast, economy)

B767
17.9" (7 abreast, economy)
18.1" (7 abreast, premium economy)

Old B767 config
16.1" (8 abreast, economy)
17.9" (7 abreast, premium economy)

Widths are the width of the seat cushion an do not include the arm-rest (2")

If Thomsonfly are only removing 30 seats it sounds as if the 2-4-2 economy layout is staying, but at the end of the day it all comes down to economics - First Choice could only afford to do what they did due to the financial deals negotiated with the leasing companies, Panasonic (launch customer for the full version of eFx) and Boeing (tied in with the 787 order)

The Thomson reconfiguration is likely to be a combination of a competitive one, as well as a practical one - with 318 (occupied) seats the 767-300 is very heavy, add to that the weight of the IFE system (approx 1400kg for 318 seats) and there are potentail performance and range penalties on the long-haul routes these aircraft are used on. The move to a low-density layout will address both competitive and performance issues...

The 8 abreast layout on the 767 is narrow, but having sat in the seats it is bearable - what gets me every time on long-haul is pitch (or lack of) which is why I'd go for a 10-abreast Emirates 777 at 34" pitch over a 9 abreast BA 777 at 31" pitch, regardless of how much the airliners.net "experts" whine about the Emirates aircraft.

I'm sure Thomsonfly will install the enhanced interior on the 767-300 fleet when they make the changes, it would seem odd to be spending all that money (and down-time) on the aircraft and not update the look of the cabin to bring it into line with the 767-200 and 757 fleets.

While First Choice Airways' configuration and entertainment package is still superior in my opinion, Thomsonfly's new product seems to bring them firmly into second place - their only obvious disadvantages are economy seat width and a more basic IFE product (touch-screen IFE means you can't offer games etc)

Monarch, MyTravel and Thomas Cook all offer inferior legroom and only very basic seat-back IFE, or overhead screens.

Just shows how the product cycle works...

A few years back Air 2000 and Britannia (remember them?!) were being panned for their outdated 767s, while Airtours and JMC were praised for their new A330s. After a bit of an interior re-work (and some name changes) the situations are more or less reversed!

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User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7220 times:

Crosswind, that's excellent information, as usual. There really is a big difference between the 7 and 8 abreast seats on the 767. How about wide-body Airbus 8 versus 9 abreast?

It is nice to see the updates that are being done with British charter airlines, I just hope it trickles down to the Canadian ones as well.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineBananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1573 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 hours ago) and read 7050 times:

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 12):
While First Choice Airways' configuration and entertainment package is still superior in my opinion, Thomsonfly's new product seems to bring them firmly into second place - their only obvious disadvantages are economy seat width and a more basic IFE product (touch-screen IFE means you can't offer games etc)

They will be offering games apparently.

http://www.flight-bookings.co.uk/touchclarity/thomsonflyplus.pdf


Mark

PS It appears that they will be launching a new destination in 2007 - Cape Verde.

[Edited 2006-07-26 08:34:16]


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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6957 times:

Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 13):
There really is a big difference between the 7 and 8 abreast seats on the 767

Too right! I flew on an Excel 767 last year and the seat width was definitely noticeable!

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 12):
(touch-screen IFE means you can't offer games etc)

Touch screen systems usually come with an armrest controller as well (a la Emirates)


User currently offlineDestinations From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6842 times:

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 12):
While First Choice Airways' configuration and entertainment package is still superior in my opinion

Apart from the fact it keeps crashing that is, oh and the skymap doesnt work on two planes and has just broken on a third. You can tell FCA was the launch customer.

And G-OOAN has a poor premium cabin config.

Ill let everyone know what happened on my recent flights soon.

[Edited 2006-07-27 10:41:06]

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