BananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1605 posts, RR: 21 Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8369 times:
According to Travel Weekly, due to print on Monday....
"Thomson will revamp its long-haul fleet to offer extra legroom in economy for summer 2007. It will remove 30 seats from Thomsonfly's Boeing 767's taking seat pitch from 30 to 33 inches on all routes in the operator's Faraway Shores and Florida programmes, out next week. A Premium seat with a 37-inch pitch will be available from an additional £129 return."
No mention of what other (if any) enhancements they will make to the cabin.
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Ardian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8256 times:
Great move from Thomsonfly. Hopefully it will be a standard for charter carriers: First Choice was probably one of the first with a great inflight service for a charter carrier. Hopefully Martinair (for the Dutch holidaymakers) will follow; their inflight product is normal, but a bit dated in my opinion.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13462 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8116 times:
Competition is good sometimes as in this case. Sure you can sell a seat cheap, but if previous flyers complain about the lack of room, you may lose customers. It may also reduce risks of DVT as well as with all the luggage tourists take with them the gross weight of the a/c, saving fuel.
Highpeaklad From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7933 times:
Quoting Captaingomes (Reply 9): I'll take 34" of legroom and 2-4-2 as opposed to a 1" wider seat and 29" of pitch.
I agree. I flew ATA MAN-MCO a few years ago and was dreading a charter flight. When I got on board I was pleasantly surprised. OK , it was 10 abreast, but the leg-room felt about 33" certainly plenty of room. We also stopped at Gander on the way to refuel, it was just like being on a school trip, they said get off, stretch your legs, get some ice cream and we'll see you back here in 45 minutes. Best charter flight yet, so I'm all for more leg room!
Don't try to keep up with the Joneses - bring them down to your level !
Widths are the width of the seat cushion an do not include the arm-rest (2")
If Thomsonfly are only removing 30 seats it sounds as if the 2-4-2 economy layout is staying, but at the end of the day it all comes down to economics - First Choice could only afford to do what they did due to the financial deals negotiated with the leasing companies, Panasonic (launch customer for the full version of eFx) and Boeing (tied in with the 787 order)
The Thomson reconfiguration is likely to be a combination of a competitive one, as well as a practical one - with 318 (occupied) seats the 767-300 is very heavy, add to that the weight of the IFE system (approx 1400kg for 318 seats) and there are potentail performance and range penalties on the long-haul routes these aircraft are used on. The move to a low-density layout will address both competitive and performance issues...
The 8 abreast layout on the 767 is narrow, but having sat in the seats it is bearable - what gets me every time on long-haul is pitch (or lack of) which is why I'd go for a 10-abreast Emirates 777 at 34" pitch over a 9 abreast BA 777 at 31" pitch, regardless of how much the airliners.net "experts" whine about the Emirates aircraft.
I'm sure Thomsonfly will install the enhanced interior on the 767-300 fleet when they make the changes, it would seem odd to be spending all that money (and down-time) on the aircraft and not update the look of the cabin to bring it into line with the 767-200 and 757 fleets.
While First Choice Airways' configuration and entertainment package is still superior in my opinion, Thomsonfly's new product seems to bring them firmly into second place - their only obvious disadvantages are economy seat width and a more basic IFE product (touch-screen IFE means you can't offer games etc)
Monarch, MyTravel and Thomas Cook all offer inferior legroom and only very basic seat-back IFE, or overhead screens.
Just shows how the product cycle works...
A few years back Air 2000 and Britannia (remember them?!) were being panned for their outdated 767s, while Airtours and JMC were praised for their new A330s. After a bit of an interior re-work (and some name changes) the situations are more or less reversed!
BananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1605 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7680 times:
Quoting Crosswind (Reply 12): While First Choice Airways' configuration and entertainment package is still superior in my opinion, Thomsonfly's new product seems to bring them firmly into second place - their only obvious disadvantages are economy seat width and a more basic IFE product (touch-screen IFE means you can't offer games etc)