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Condi Rice's Plane At LGA Today?  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

I was just wondering if Condoleezza Rice's plane landed at LGA yesterday/departed this morning after her UN meetings...Or did they use EWR/JFK? Anybody catch what plane she flew up on?

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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 4460 times:

I work at LGA for the very FBO that handles her A/C. And yes she did come into LGA yesterday but after I left so I did not get to see. It was probably a military BBJ painted just like AF1. When I say we "handle" them, actually all we do is marshall them into a parking spot and provide fuel if necessary... secret service pretty much handles the rest. BTW...she and other gov't officials have some DIESEL security!


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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
When I say we "handle" them, actually all we do is marshall them into a parking spot and provide fuel if necessary...

Where do they park at LGA?

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
secret service pretty much handles the rest.

I think the Secretary of State is protected by the Diplomatic Security Service...Although I'm sure Secret Service is involved as well.

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
BTW...she and other gov't officials have some DIESEL security!

Haha, what in particular makes you say that? I feel like there is a story there!


User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

I thought everyone flew Air Force One lol. What kind of plane does she have?

User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 3):
What kind of plane does she have?

From what I gather, I believe it is a B757



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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 2):
Where do they park at LGA?

All GA aircraft that come into LGA are parked in the area across from the AA MX hangars that run parallel to rwy 4-22.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 2):
think the Secretary of State is protected by the Diplomatic Security Service...Although I'm sure Secret Service is involved as well.

You're probably more correct than me.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 2):
Haha, what in particular makes you say that? I feel like there is a story there!

No, story, really, but the motorcade that comes through is quite large for one person.

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 4):
From what I gather, I believe it is a B757

You may be right about that...they have come in before. Cheney came in on a '75 not too long ago.



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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 3):
I thought everyone flew Air Force One lol. What kind of plane does she have?



Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 4):
From what I gather, I believe it is a B757

They have all sorts of planes painted in what we commonly call "AF1" colors. Two B742s (for the Prez only), a few 757s, a few BBJs and a few Gulfstreams. They also used to have DC-9s, but I thought they were replaced by the BBJs.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7502 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 4):

From what I gather, I believe it is a B757

The 757's are possible, but are mostly reserved for the vice president hints Air Force Two.



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User currently offlineN839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3838 times:

Actually there are 3 B747's for the President...one is usually out in NM...lot different equipment onboard that one...they rarely use that one...except in serious situations.


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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

Quoting N839MH (Reply 8):
Actually there are 3 B747's for the President...one is usually out in NM...lot different equipment onboard that one...they rarely use that one...except in serious situations.

I once took a crewmember who has flown on AF1 and he refused to divulge the exact number of 747's used for the Prez.



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User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 1082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3517 times:

Just to set a few things straight here for the record:

The 316th wing and the 89th wing out of Andrews AFB handles all movement associated to "Air Force One". There are also military designations for the aircraft type

Quoting EHHO (Reply 6):
They have all sorts of planes painted in what we commonly call "AF1" colors. Two B742s (for the Prez only), a few 757s, a few BBJs and a few Gulfstreams.

Military names for the planes:
-The 747 is actually a VC-25A (the military aircraft type for the specially configured plane). While this is the Presidents plane no doubt, Cheny has taken it before, although it is quite rare.

-The 757 is actually a C-32, there are a handful of them in the fleet at Andrew's. Usually reserved for Cheney and Secretary Rice and Rumsfeld, and in some cases the President when the airport he is going to can not accomodate the VC-25A (such as New Haven).

-The 737/BBJ in the US Air Force Colors is actually a C-40B all sorts of officials seem to use this. The Navy also has a similar aircraft in their fleet.

-The Gulfstream V is a C-37 actually. The Gulfstream IV's are actually either a C-20H or a C-20B (one has longer range). Both are in the "Air Force One" blue colors. I have seen Cheney and Bush use these planes where the airports they are going to are really small and can not handle the larger planes. Bush used once to fly into a small texas airport once (I forget which). Cheney used one in Owensboro, Kentucky a couple days ago.

-Technically Air Force One is the call sign on whichever aircraft the president is on. Traditionally this is the 747 (VC-25A) you usually see him on. Occassionally he will take the 757 (C-32) that Secretary Rice frequently uses, and sometimes the G-IV/V(C-20/C-37). I have never heard of, or seen, the President use the BBJ (C-40B) for a trip. But the callsign is universal.

Quoting N839MH (Reply 8):
Actually there are 3 B747's for the President...one is usually out in NM...lot different equipment onboard that one...they rarely use that one...except in serious situations.

There are actually only the 2, with tailnumbers 28000 and 29000, what I think you are referring to for the 3rd one is the "doomsday plane" which is another modified 747 that is essentially a flying command center for something.
http://www.cloud9photography.us/e/E1...enterDoomsdayPlane_JamesKippen.jpg

The exact term for that plane is a Boeing E-4 NAOC National Airborne Operations which actually Secretary Rumsfeld prefers traveling on these days. He used to fly on the C-32 for his travels, but now prefers to take the E-4 where he can handle situations like he was at the Pentagon (which is what that aircraft is equipped for). The C-32 doesn't have the communications.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 2):
I think the Secretary of State is protected by the Diplomatic Security Service...Although I'm sure Secret Service is involved as well.

 checkmark  coorectamundo!  bigthumbsup  DSS, not Secret Service protect the Sec. of State. Believe it or not, DC has some ridiculously large number of police departments/law enforcement divisions, so just about every important person in DC that has some security detail has it from some agency. Capitol Hill Police I know protect the important lawmakers for instance.

Hope this clears it all up. I come from a military family so i know, you can get a lot of info on google about the military versions of the planes.  Smile



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User currently offlineGWYIRE From Ireland, joined Sep 2005, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

She was in SNN earlier today on way to mideast

User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 1082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Quoting GWYIRE (Reply 11):
She was in SNN earlier today on way to mideast

They love to use SNN as a refuel stop. SNN gets a lot of traffic from the 89th and 316th!!!  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
It was probably a military BBJ painted just like AF1

Read up on the term "Air Force One" please.

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 3):
What kind of plane does she have?

She doesn't. The Secretary of State uses the aircraft that is available and suited to the mission, whether a Gulfstream, BBJ or 757. She has been shown on TV on the C32 (757) before and usually uses that aircraft for longer flights

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7):
The 757's are possible, but are mostly reserved for the vice president hints Air Force Two.

Rice actually uses the 757s a lot

Quoting N839MH (Reply 8):
Actually there are 3 B747's for the President...one is usually out in NM...lot different equipment onboard that one...they rarely use that one...except in serious situations.

The ones with the "different equipment" are E4-B Nightwatch aircraft and there are 3 of them. There are 2 VC-25A aircraft and those have actually been upgraded over time to be able to do most anything the E4-B can do. The E4-Bs are in Nebraska, not New Mexico

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 9):
I once took a crewmember who has flown on AF1 and he refused to divulge the exact number of 747's used for the Prez.

He was an idiot given that the number is a matter of public record

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 10):
-Technically Air Force One is the call sign on whichever aircraft the president is on

Actually, it is the call sign for whichever Air Force aircraft the President is on. If the President is on a Navy plane, it is "Navy One", "Marine One" is used for Marine aircraft, etc. If the President is on a commercial flight, it is supposed to go by Executive One.



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User currently offlineBestpilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 10):
There are actually only the 2, with tailnumbers 28000 and 29000, what I think you are referring to for the 3rd one is the "doomsday plane" which is another modified 747 that is essentially a flying command center for something.

The E-4 is a modified 747-200B which is to act as a mobile command center in the case of a national emergency (generally we're talkin nuclear war). There are actually four of these aircraft and one aircraft must be kept within a certain distance of POTUS at all times. They are based at Offutt AFB, Nebraska.


User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 1082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3482 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
If the President is on a commercial flight, it is supposed to go by Executive One.

When would he ever go commercially? or more, what are you refering to there? I know when he leaves office and flies home someplace they call it something besides Air Force One (even though he is on the VC-25A). Is that what you are talking bout?

I forgot to mention its "Navy One" or "Marine One" and that the "Air Force One" is only for air force aircraft...perhaps its because its 5 AM here, lol  Smile



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Quoting Bestpilot (Reply 14):
There are actually four of these aircraft and one aircraft must be kept within a certain distance of POTUS at all times.

I thought that rule ended with the Cold War?

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 15):
When would he ever go commercially? or more, what are you refering to there?

Nixon flew commercially once to set an example during the oil crisis...I believe it was on a United DC-10 and his entourage took over the front cabin.


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Quoting GWYIRE (Reply 11):
She was in SNN earlier today on way to mideast

I heard that on the news this morning... I was wondering if she deplanes during the re-fueling break or if she stays on board!?

Does anyone know ?


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 10):
DSS, not Secret Service protect the Sec. of State. Believe it or not, DC has some ridiculously large number of police departments/law enforcement divisions, so just about every important person in DC that has some security detail has it from some agency. Capitol Hill Police I know protect the important lawmakers for instance.

Indeed, I've always wondered which agencies protect certain individuals, like a random midlevel Cabinet secretary or CIA Director, etc. Tons of people in DC need security details!

While we're on the topic, who protects the SecDef? I imagine the Pentagon has a special security unit or something....


User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 1082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 18):
While we're on the topic, who protects the SecDef? I imagine the Pentagon has a special security unit or something....

Believe it is Pentagon Police, non-uniformed division. I once saw the vice-chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at a dinner I was working and he had an agent with him. Secretary of Transportation also had an agent, but I don't know who.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 17):
heard that on the news this morning... I was wondering if she deplanes during the re-fueling break or if she stays on board!?

Does anyone know ?

They usually do, Cheney, Rice, and Bush have all been seen on TV/photos meeting with US troops or people in the terminal.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7194 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

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