N471WN From United States, joined Dec 2003, 259 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4562 times:
Just posted to the Aviation Week and Space Technology site is an article that says that WN is looking for used 737-700's to meet demand created by the other carriers cutting back. The article cited a number of cities (including Denver) where the demand for seats exceeds supply........again the legacy carriers and their legacy of "over paid" and yet "under innovative" and "short term" management played right into their hands.....they just never learn. If NWA, US Air and AA think that their capacity reductions do not have long term consequences then they are just kidding themselves.
MCOflyer From United States, joined Jun 2006, 6843 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4505 times:
It wouldnt surprise me although one question comes to mind. Doesnt WN have a different EFIS style cockpit? I'm just curious as to how they would configure the used cockpits. Btw, It wouldnt surprise me if they pick up ex UA 733's.
ScottB From United States, joined Jul 2000, 3902 posts, RR: 20 Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4505 times:
Quoting Dbba (Thread starter): Just posted to the Aviation Week and Space Technology site is an article that says that WN is looking for used 737-700's
This was mentioned in the analyst call earlier this week as well, but it doesn't appear that there are many idle 737-700's to be had right now.
OPNLguy From United States, joined Jun 1999, 12391 posts, RR: 73 Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4468 times:
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 3): It wouldnt surprise me although one question comes to mind. Doesnt WN have a different EFIS style cockpit? I'm just curious as to how they would configure the used cockpits. Btw, It wouldnt surprise me if they pick up ex UA 733's.
I think SWA will eschew the used -300/-500 market in favor of the used -700s. The -300s/-500s are getting older, and there are only a certain number of "round-dial" (non-EFIS) aircraft to be had. There were rumors that we were to upgrade all our round-dial -300s/-500s to flat panels (like the -700s) but that appears to have been placed on the back burner due to cost.
I see Varig was going to return 2 -700s to the lessor(s), and I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't eventually end up here.
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 3): It wouldnt surprise me although one question comes to mind. Doesnt WN have a different EFIS style cockpit? I'm just curious as to how they would configure the used cockpits.
If we picked up used -700s, converting them to our cockpit layout would be pretty simple via a software change, unlike the days of old where used -200s/-300s meant changes in the physical instruments in the panel.
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ERJ170 From United States, joined Apr 2004, 5355 posts, RR: 12 Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4453 times:
ARticle also states that they will not be getting rid of any aircraft before 2009. None. Zero. Zilch.
But I tell you what.. airlines think that decreasing the number of seats will help.. but they will also be losing quite a bit of customers due to the shortage of seats.. The seats are getting so expensive, those that would fly are instead opting to drive. If an airport had an 8% increase and then see a 12% decrease in seats, there is a problem.. and as predicted, most of those airlines that are decreasing capacity are seeing a decrease in marketshare and a decrease in revenue at restricted airports (those that have decreased seats).
KELPkid From United States, joined Nov 2005, 3346 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4435 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 7): The -300s/-500s are getting older, and there are only a certain number of "round-dial" (non-EFIS) aircraft to be had. There were rumors that we were to upgrade all our round-dial -300s/-500s to flat panels
My understanding is that most 737-500's were delivered with the 757/767 style PFD's (and that this is how the Aircraft was oiriginally certified), however WN ordered theirs with "steam gauges" (round dials) for fleet commonality purposes. If so, wouldn't the refit be somewhat easy, in that the parts should be available and that it's already FAA certified? Of course, I'm omitting the amount of work that goes on behind the panel, of which I must plead 100% ignorance
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Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56 Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4374 times:
Lets make this more interesting.......
Does anyone think that Boeing or one of the leasing companies could arrange an aircraft swap to accommodate Southwest?
Here is what I am thinking, both CO and AS have large 73G fleets and both airlines now prefer the larger 738 variant of the 737NG family....what if CO or AS were to sell their 73Gs and in turn place an order for additional 738s. Actually, both AS and CO have large 738 orders outstanding, although in both cases the 738s are intended for expansion and to replace older airplanes (in AS's case, 734s and MD80s and in CO's case, 733s).
This is a very interesting opportunity and is proabably something that Boeing and the leasing companies will get involved with in a big way.
RyDawg82 From United States, joined Sep 2001, 708 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4237 times:
Alaska has 3 737-700's heading back to the leasing company either this year or next...I recall reading this when they announced the MD-80 retirement plan...These three birds should be the only ones without winglets...
-R
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Nosedive From United States, joined May 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 24 Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4093 times:
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 3): It wouldnt surprise me although one question comes to mind. Doesnt WN have a different EFIS style cockpit? I'm just curious as to how they would configure the used cockpits. Btw, It wouldnt surprise me if they pick up ex UA 733's.
But wouldn't the issue of cockpits be offset a bit by WN's determination to have its pilot's trained to fly all types of their 737s?
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11): Here is what I am thinking, both CO and AS have large 73G fleets and both airlines now prefer the larger 738 variant of the 737NG family....what if CO or AS were to sell their 73Gs and in turn place an order for additional 738s. Actually, both AS and CO have large 738 orders outstanding, although in both cases the 738s are intended for expansion and to replace older airplanes (in AS's case, 734s and MD80s and in CO's case, 733s).
Do they need $$ for planes or butts in seats right now?
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KELPkid From United States, joined Nov 2005, 3346 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4028 times:
Quoting Joffie (Reply 18): Isn't DJ getting rid of their leased 737-700's?
I thought all the Aussie 737's were specially built to compensate for the Coriolis Force in the Southern Hemisphere being the opposite of it's Northern Hemisphere counterpart [I'm being fecicious here for those who don't understand humor]
OTOH I believe some of WN's secondhand 733's are ex-Annsett birds.
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OPNLguy From United States, joined Jun 1999, 12391 posts, RR: 73 Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4003 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 19): OTOH I believe some of WN's secondhand 733's are ex-Annsett birds.
If there are, they must have been some place else before we got them. The only non-3H4 birds I can readily recall came from AA, Easyjet, Air Berlin, and of course, the Morris Air birds.
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