AA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28 Posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3159 times:
When I recently flew on a BA A320, I was excited to fly on the A320, as I had never been on one, only the A319 which was really nice .... Yet I was quite Dissapointed on the A320 ... I am sure that the A320 is one of the LOUDEST planes in service today, since I was sitting in row 3 and I felt like I was sitting in the last row of seats next to the engines on an MD-80 (which I have done, and the Noise level is actually quite similar...) I didnt really like the Interior, it wasnt as nice as BA's 757's.... really, all I liked was the Food and serivce In Club Europe, and Its takeoff performance... which is OK for a little plane of its size. Does anyone share these feelings? Really I was surprised that the A320 wasnt as nice as I anticipated...
B727-200 From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1051 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2666 times:
Aren't BA's A320's some of the original ones off the assembly line? If so, they would be old enough to go to high school now.
I have travelled on A320's with one airline that span in age from 12-years-old to 2-years-old. The 12-year-old aircraft looked quite tired and old, whilst the 2-year-old aircraft looked quite fresh and new. You would not believe they are from the same carrier.
Slawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2665 times:
I agree with B747-400 get ready for a big argument from the Airbus fans...it;s funny the fans are much like the company, no one can ever critisize them.
I am going to get out early and say I agree with you AA777 I did not like the A320 when I flew on a few of them, I found it to be loud and very cramped (I know the airline chooses the seat layout) I also noticed that on the 320 and all the airbuses I have flow on even the 310 the cabin seems to make a lot of noise and shakes alot during taxi and take off, more so then the other compeating aircraft I have flow on, don;t know if anyone else has noticed that too.
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
Varig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1594 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2650 times:
Just like Slawko I noticed the interior of Airbuses is shaking a lot;on take-off and landing it looks like the ceiling attached bins are going to fall on your head...
otherwise I flew on many A320 and never noticed it was that much noisy...yet I had the same feeling than 727-200:I flew recently on one of the 1st AF A320 and it was not a great flight:the interior looked tired and comfort was nothing special,while flying on a newer Star airlines A320 was a more pleasant experience....maybe AA777 experienced a flight onboard an A320 inherited from British Caledonian and rebranded BA ,instead of the new versions BA is getting now
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Sammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2629 times:
You know, me and a friend of mine took a trip from JFK-BUF on Jetblue, and she specifically said "Hey this plane is so loud" I'm like ok. She was comparing it to the Fokker 100 she had just gotten off of 2 days prior. Our seats on Jetblue were practically in the "First Class" area (row 4), and she said "no, its not the sound of the engines, its the other stuff, like flaps, and landing gear making noise" (I told her about the flaps and landing gear, since she said it wasn't the engine). When she left, she had a 737-500 on CO, and I asked her again about the noise, and she said the 737 was quieter than the Airbus. This is someone who don't know diddley about a plane, and doesn't care if its Boeing, or Airbus, or Fokker. Probably the most objective opinion I have heard in a long time.
Boeing747-400, you know what fella, its how you word something, look what you said:
"All I can say is that the 737NG's are much better and more quiet."
See, now if you had put in the words "i think" after "All I can say is that", then maybe no one would pounce on you. But the way you are saying it is like a factual statement, with nothing to back it up with but your own experience, which doesn't count when it comes to facts, because someone can easily have a conflicting opinion.
Sccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5506 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2617 times:
As a man of words and letters (I'll modestly proclaim), I offer the following for use by all "A v. B" combatants, as well as those who might choose to go way out on the proverbial limb, and champion an airplane built by the snowmobile guys, or the jungle guys, or the missile guys, or even the guys-who-have-never-built-a-plane-in-their-lives-but-they're-taking-orders-from-an-airline-that-doesn't-exist-yet.
This modest offering is tendered gratis, no compensation or attribution of any kind required, and I ask only that you use it in good health.
The deal is this: simply fill in the blanks with the name of your favorite (or favourite, as the case may be) airplane manufacturer (or fabrik, or whatever) and airplane and (of course), your least favorite (favourite), in the appropriate spaces, then cut and paste the finished product (and well finished it shall be, be assured) into a suitably-inflamatorily-named thread. Then, sit back, watch the fireworks fly, as all of the usual suspects rise up in righteous indignation, incensed that any cretin would dare compare their chosen aerial conveyance with the crude, dangerous and all-around-icky airplanes of the opposition.
You can even (with a little modification, the particulars of which are left to your individual taste) use this to fight about airlines; or politicians; or Ska bands, or word processing software.
It goes like this:
"I would like to settle the debate about ________ aircraft once and for all; they are clearly superior to the ____________s in all respects, having a markedly-better cabin arrangement, stronger and more durable engines, prettier wings (because they [have/don't have] winglets), and are especially safer because they are [equipped/not equipped] with fly-by-wire, and thus, [the idiot, pea-brained glorified bus drivers who claim to be skilled aircraft pilots won't be able to break the wings off at their discretion with impertinent control inputs / the titans of the sky, our invincible airplane gods, the Captains, are not compelled by the whim of egomaniacal software engineers to ride as mere passengers as their craft plane inexorably into the unyielding earth]."
"Buying, flying, looking at or riding in _________'s planes is sure the cause impotence, world hunger, famine, plague, gingivitis and the heartbreak of psoriasis. On the other hand, if you instead choose the cleverly-conceived and skillfully-manufactured aircraft of __________, you'll be younger, look better, think more clearly, have considerably better prowess with the [ladies/men/sheep] and (as an added and entirely unexpected bonus), you'll be contacted by a mysterious but earnest investigator who, after first confirming your identity through genetic mapping, will reveal that you are the long-undisclosed last beneficiary of the Last Will and Testament of Howard Hughes; that you are now richer than... well... stink; and that you now have all the resources that you might ever want or need with which to start an airline flying [777s, 74Xs, 767s and 757-LRs / A3XXs, A340s, A330s and A320s] from a hub in Branson Missouri to Bozeman, Montana, Victorville, California and Galion, Ohio, all markets just crying out for high-density service and thus far unrecognized by those short-sighted nimrods who currently run their respective airlines with no clue of what they're doing."
"Plus, [chicks/guys/ducks] are really attracted to people who prefer the planes made by _________; but are repelled by the mere mention of the laughable, unrefined ore-clods that _________ passes off as advanced transportation."
"When I grow up and graduate from school, I'm going to be a pilot and I'll only fly for an airline that buys the _________ planes, and whatever happens, I'll only fly __________s, no matter what they do in the way of fleet planning or aircraft purchases."
There. Give it a shot. If there is enough demand, we could generate a series of these articulate and well-reasoned diatribes, and simply refer to them by number to start the flame wars (e.g., Airbus #42 would mean, canned post No. 42 with Airbus dominant, etc.). We could save typing time and more of the low-bandwidth members could participate in all-out wars, without incurring excessive connect-time fees, carpal tunnel syndrome, or tardy slips in the morning for showing up to homeroom late.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
Aspen1 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2588 times:
When I recently flew on a BA A320, I was excited to fly on the A320, as I had never been on one, only the A319 which was really nice ....
you contridicted yourselft. The A320 is the exact same aircraft as the A319 except the 319 is a bit shorter at 111ft. The interiors are the exact same on both aircraft. how can you like one and not the other? please explain?
Delta777-XXX From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2580 times:
"I would like to settle the debate about **Boeing and Airbus** aircraft once and for all; they are clearly superior to the **Cessna**s in all respects, having a markedly-better cabin arrangement, stronger and more durable engines, prettier wings (because they [have/don't have] winglets), and are especially safer because they are [equipped/not equipped] with fly-by-wire, and thus, [the idiot, pea-brained glorified bus drivers who claim to be skilled aircraft pilots won't be able to break the wings off at their discretion with impertinent control inputs / the titans of the sky, our invincible airplane gods, the Captains, are not compelled by the whim of egomaniacal software engineers to ride as mere passengers as their craft plane inexorably into the unyielding earth]."
"Buying, flying, looking at or riding in **Cessna**'s planes is sure the cause impotence, world hunger, famine, plague, gingivitis and the heartbreak of psoriasis. On the other hand, if you instead choose the cleverly-conceived and skillfully-manufactured aircraft of ** Airbus and Boeing**, you'll be younger, look better, think more clearly, have considerably better prowess with the [ladies/men/sheep] and (as an added and entirely unexpected bonus), you'll be contacted by a mysterious but earnest investigator who, after first confirming your identity through genetic mapping, will reveal that you are the long-undisclosed last beneficiary of the Last Will and Testament of Howard Hughes; that you are now richer than... well... stink; and that you now have all the resources that you might ever want or need with which to start an airline flying [777s, 74Xs, 767s and 757-LRs / A3XXs, A340s, A330s and A320s] from a hub in Branson Missouri to Bozeman, Montana, Victorville, California and Galion, Ohio, all markets just crying out for high-density service and thus far unrecognized by those short-sighted nimrods who currently run their respective airlines with no clue of what they're doing."
"Plus, [chicks/guys/ducks] are really attracted to people who prefer the planes made by **Airbus and Boeing**; but are repelled by the mere mention of the laughable, unrefined ore-clods that **Cessna**passes off as advanced transportation."
"When I grow up and graduate from school, I'm going to be a pilot and I'll only fly for an airline that buys the **Airbus and Boeing**planes, and whatever happens, I'll only fly **Airbus and Boeing**s, no matter what they do in the way of fleet planning or aircraft purchases."
LOL!!! like that?? Man.. I hate small prop planes! They are noisey and pumpy! ol' well... I guess you have to start somewhere!
Aspen1 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2571 times:
i have been on 737 classics on united, delta, america west, southwest, and aloha. I have only been on uniteds a320's and a319's. Comparing the two i happen to like the a320 series better for the following reason. They interior is alot cleaner and more modern than the 737 classic. The overhead bins are larger, the bathrooms are cleaner and more modern and the aircraft is fitted with overhead video that retracts from below the over head bin.
You cannot judge a plane on the seating configuration nore on the seats. Aircraft manufacturers have no say in what seats are used and how they are spaced out on the aircraft.
I have been on uniteds 737-200 737-300 737-500 and 737-300 shuttle and 737-500 shuttle along with the A320 and A319. I prefer the a320 and a319 in both economy class and first class. One side note. I loved united's a320's when they first came out. I loved the fact that they had footrests in coach
Aa737 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 849 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2558 times:
The BA A320s are some of the original A320s (some are the -100 series). I have flown on them a quite a few times. I have also flown on a bunch of BA 737s. I found the noise level from the engines about the same. I have yet to go on the 737ng, so I don't know if its much quieter. In june I flew on a new GB airways A320 and it was slightly quieter engines then the 737 (-400?) that I took home. I did notivce the A320 was loud wuth flaps and stuff like that.
I have also been on a bunch of BA 757s and they seemed to be the same interior more or less.
Widebody From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 1152 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2556 times:
......not starting a war, but factually, aren't A320's more spacious than 737's?? I.e, more space, i.e. greater dimensions in all respects, equals more spaciousness? And to back up Aspen1, the A319 is exactly the same as the A320 except for the frames.....their AMM's and IPC's are identical......
Wingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2230 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2533 times:
I've flown nice 320s and nice 737s. I've flown lousy 320s and lousy 737s. In my judgement, the two factors which make a plane nice or lousy are 1) carrier and 2) age of aircraft. For example, I flew an IB 320 that was spanking new and the ride was excellent. I've also flown AWA 320s that were on the verge of structural breakup (or so I thought). Age and carrier make the difference.
Likewise, UA 733s and 735s are very well maintained and comfortable. COs NGs are a pleasure (brand new aircraft helps every time). Now, AWA's 737s are are crappy as their 320s and also twice as old.
My point is, if you don't like a plane consider the two factors above and make sure you have broad carrier experience with a specific type before you just say it's no good. Trust me, get on a new US 320 transcon and then an AWA 737 and you'll say just the opposite.
DeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2528 times:
The Airbus Narrowbodies are wider than the new 737NGs, but only by a few inches. Most of your complaints center around comfort, thats not the planes fault, its the airlines. You will find that the aging A-320s are becoming what the A-310s are and have been for a few years, maintance hazards. One very poor characteristic of the A-320 Series is the tendency of the aircraft to shake violently upon landing and occasionally manual breaking gets very touchy. I have flown both the United A-320s and Delta 737-800s several times each. The A-320 was supurior to the older 737s, but I prefer the 737. This may have to due with the airline configuartion, but to me it also seems quieter. I don't in anyway mean to cut down Boeing or Airbus, just simply stating some well known ideals as well as my personal opinion.
Sammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2533 times:
Well duh, say it like that then! "My opinion....etc etc."
The way you said it SOUNDED like a factual statement, because you forgot to include "in my opinion" or "I think" in it. I never said it wasn't your opinion.
But I do see where you are coming from, its just harder to figure that out when its typed out since we can't "hear" you say it. Also, its not always easy to understand for people whose native tongue is not english, which there are many of here.
Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6424 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2532 times:
Oh my dear. I have been on many shaky A320s and B737s / B757s, but I never blamed it on A or B. AA777, who maintains your runways? NY Street Service?
Yesterday I flew on a Swissair A320 from Zurich to Copenhagen. Both airports have well maintained runways and taxiways and the trip was smooth as silk. And it wasn't only because of the very comfortable Swissair leather seats, of which four rows were missing compared to most airlines to the benefit of generous economy class legroom for my 6 feet and 3 inches. All of which has nothing with Airbus to do, but a lot with Swissair to do. Maybe the smooth ride was due to the female captain?
Of course it was cramped at 3+3, but then one inch less cramped than a 737/757 since the fuselage is those 6 inch wider and they didn't leave that as a gap between the seats.
Last month on a 737 it was equally smooth at CPH, but certainly bumpy at my destination, but since it was daylight I could see the reason - a surface which not even NY Street Service would be proud of.
Any seat in an A320 is noisier than the first 5 rows of a MD-80 - the quietest seats of any narrow body plane. The back of an A320, which isn't falling apart due to lack of maintenance, is beaten only by a BAe 146/Avro RJ. But much like the good old Caravelle you are never left in any doubt that the gear has come up or down and has been locked. I feel good when I hear - and feel - that clonk. In a 757 or MD-80 on the other hand I sometimes wonder if I should run to the flight deck and ask if they remembered to lower the landing gear. An Airbus never leaves you in any doubt. Some people get scared when the whole plane is shaking from a gear lock up or down. I feel it as the same comfort as having three green lights right in front of me.
No airliner rolls on bad road as a Cadilac, mostly because a Cadilac is not designed to survive to be slammed down onto the road in sidewing. But on the same airliner you will always feel a great difference on bad road if it is lightweight or it is loaded down with dozens of tonnes of fuel for a max range sector.
Read this carefully and let's try avoid this anoying "A or B not so great" stuff. Let us see if we can manage 24 hours without that oh so boring stuff. Then we can try 48 hours next week...
Best regards, Preben Norholm
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
LH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2520 times:
I recently got off a Lufthansa A320, and I did notice it to be slightly louder than the United 737-300 I was on the week prior. I slept through most of the A320 flight, but one thing that disturbed me was Lufthansa's grey, sterile look to the A320. The walls were grey, the seats were grey leather, and Vienna in late August can be warm during the day, but chilly at night, so the clear, cool morning light, and the grey interior makes for a slightly uncomfortable, un-aesthetic feeling. It also makes the interior very plastic, and fragile looking. I can't comment on any other airlines, my only A320 experience was the one I just described.
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Widebody From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 1152 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2521 times:
Boeing747-400.......according to BOTH manufacturers websites and technical data sheets, the A320 cabin is approx. 7in wider, depending on which width dimension you wish to compare......
Slawko.......the reason Airbus supporters like to argue so much is because we can argue with facts.......all I ever seem to see is opinions on your side.......the lack of knowledge regarding Airbus is incredible, it makes me wonder......its funny how Airbus supporters have never launched a Boeing attack, simply because we have the open mindedness to accept the quality of both products......all I hear day in day out is people like you literally throwing shite at a mirror......either way it ends up in your face.......
Take Boeing747-400 above......"A320's are not more spacious than the new 737's. They do not have greater dimensions than the new 737's either. I can't wait to fly on a CO 737-800 and -900 soon. I'm sure th 738 and 739 are more superior to the A320 than the A320 is to them......"
Both manufacturers websites show the A320 has greater dimensions......full stop.....what the hell is 'I'm sure th 738 and 739 are more superior to the A320' supposed to mean??
Maybe Airbus supporters will start respecting the Boeing supporters when they grow up........hell, look at NWA, USA, UAL, ACA, CMM, AAL, JBU........at least they have some open-minded people working for them.....
AC_A340 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 2251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2522 times:
After reading all the posts in this thread, I have to say the most intelligent thing I read was the post above by Wingman. Carrier and age of aircraft make the difference. I've flown NW 757's and UA 757's. The landing in the UA seemed to be much more harder.
In my opinion I prefer the A320 family to the 737/757 for the following reasons.
I like the lawnmower sound
I like to be able to hear the plane
You don't hit your head on the TV monitors
I believe they look better
Although I would gladly fly either because both are safe and will get you to where you are going.
: Grow up? HA! My reasons are clear, look at the sales so far this year, compare the A32X to the B73X, airlines do prefer the 737's over the A320's, sur
: Here we go again. I would have thought that after the last argument, people would no longer make unsubstantiated claims. Boeing 747-400, you have to l
: Yes it does make sense Ben88, it's what I think!! If you don't except my opinion, then don;t reply!! I don't want to fight with you again, but you see
: You also forgot to mention that Boeing has been selling 737's for 33 years while Airbus has been selling A320's for 12 years. btw, it's accept, not ex
: Bravo Sccutler! But one thing bothers me, why didn't you think of a cut and paste message for the message I'm posting right now? Oh well, I enjoyed yo
: Oh, excuse me. I'm sorry for your inconvienence that I made a typo. Like no one else has. Give me a break! Selling 737's for 33 years is no excuse, lo
: I flew on 2 or 3 year old UA A319 and A320 a few months back...my first experience on Airbus birds, so I was excited to have a couple more aircraft ty
: I've flown on NWA, AWA, and jetBlues A320's. I did notice when we hit a big air pocket in the AWA flight that the plane sounded like it was going to f
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: Yes, thats true. THe Airbus A320 is an aircraft I hate. I travelled with Ansett on one, and I hated it Q A N T A S 7 4 7
: I have an idea; why don't we stop talking about A vs. B and start talking about C vs. E (CRJ, ERJ). It'll be a lot more calmer, and, no offense, but n
: I like the A320 better than the Classic 737. A320 is cleaner, obviously because they are newer. A320's seem more spacious to me. Also, I like the retr
: There has been no A v B except for those warning against it. We always get to hear about how horrible DC9s and 737s are, but as soon as someone says t
: MY last trip I flew on the A330, and the A320. While awaiting pushback on both planes, I felt and heard a "thumping" noise every few minutes. This pla
: same happened to me. i flew ORD-BOS and EWR-ORD on United A319s. and they are my second favourite small jet. The A320 which i flew on LAX-ORD i hated,
: i have flown on both B737 and A320 family. My personal opinion is that Airbus is better. i ve flown on both A320 and A321 with Swissair. And i had my
: I flew on a Delta 737-200 that creaked and groaned as it taxied to the runway. Being only about seven, it scared me. But AA's 727s had that solid as a
: I have flown countless segments with Airbus aircraft. As proof, here are the ten flights I have taken in the past year (since last summer) Northwest D
: i flew in a 737-800. That thing IS WAY spacier than any of the A320 series. it looked so wide! although i knew it was 3-3, it seemed as wide as a 767!
: For many, many months on this forum, perhaps longer than I have been here, members have started these glaring and distasteful threads. It is good to s
: I have flown on both the A320, and the 737. I have only flown on UAL, so my comparisons do not include the 737NG. The A320 is great for longer trips.
: There are an awful lot of childish and pointless arguments in this thread... Cramped interior, hard seat, interior worn out....Complain about the air