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Air Evacuations From Cyprus  
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5289 posts, RR: 23
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4839 times:

Looks like the AMC (US Air Force, Air Mobility Command) contractors are flying folks back to the US from Cyprus, which is to where the US Gov't is ferrying them after getting them out of Lebanon. I noticed Ryan Int'l, ATA, Omni and North American going to and fro the last few days, mostly with 757s, to LCPH and LCLK. Kudos for these guys for being able to squeeze a couple of evac flights into their charter ops, particularly on a busy summer weekend.

Looks like PHL and BWI (both significant WN cities) are where most folks are being taken to, with a tech stop at EINN.

[Edited 2006-07-22 05:09:52]

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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5289 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

Well, I guess this article explains why the charter flights seem to be going to PHL and BWI.

http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20060722/D8J0PLRG2.html

Fair use excerpt: "Americans already in Cyprus boarded flights home or packed into shelters.

The U.S. government already has spent about $200,000 helping Americans return to the United States, an amount expected to grow.

A repatriation center opened Thursday at Baltimore-Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport. Another center opened Friday at Philadelphia's airport.

The centers are staffed by medical and mental health professionals, and have phone banks and computers to help people contact friends and relatives."


User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

Omni, ATA, North American and World are all running flights from Larnaca and Pafos. (Hopefully switching to all Pafos)

Thus far we've moved a fair number of people. With quite a few more on the schedule....


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5289 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 2):
(Hopefully switching to all Pafos)

Interesting. Is there a reason you prefer Paphos?

I notice that every listed flight that I have noticed so far has been on 757s. Obviously, if WOA has flown in there than it's not all 757s. But Omni, ATA, Ryan Int'l, and NAO are using 757s. Is there any particular reason for this, as far as you know, or just something as simple as typical group size?


User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4576 times:

LCA is swamped and is struggeling to handle the 'regular' tourist flights as well as the extra pax trying to get on the scheduled flights.

I beleive the reason that mostly 757's are being used, simply is due to availability. The widebodies are typically booked earlier and 757's supply additonal capacity and last-minute lift to AMC and others. And the evacuation flights came up on extremely short notice.



- I am LN-MOW, and I approve this message.
User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 3):
Is there a reason you prefer Paphos?

As LN-MOW stated, LCA is swamped with their own flights, trying to handle thousands of other passengers is making them struggle even more.

While PFO has vacation flights, the airport has the extra capacity to handle the Ad-Hoc evac flights. The attitudes at PFO are a little better as well.

LN-MOW, are you in Cyprus? Email me.


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 5):
the airport has the extra capacity to handle the Ad-Hoc evac flights

Too right it does... as long as it isn't a Wednesday or a Sunday.

I was in PFO the other week (see British Airways LGW-Cyprus-LGW W/pics (by Sam1987 Jul 15 2006 in Trip Reports)) on a Thursday, and the place was very quiet.



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5289 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 5):
While PFO has vacation flights, the airport has the extra capacity to handle the Ad-Hoc evac flights.

Gotcha. Flyer, I enjoy watching the flags in your profiles change as you move around on your various missions. What fun!


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5289 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4431 times:

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 4):
I beleive the reason that mostly 757's are being used, simply is due to availability.

Fair enough. I was just kinda thinkin' that there's a DC10 we all know about that seems to do not much more than a weekly BWI-Ramstein turn, and which might have some time available. Or is it already being used for this and I just didn't see it?


User currently offlineKBFIspotter From United States of America, joined May 2005, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

A couple of C-17s departed McChord AFB (KTCM) on saturday for Cyprus to help with the evacuations. I read that each aircraft was fitted to carry 100-200 pax each (with plent of head room Wink)

Kris
KBFIspotter



Proud to be an A&P!!!
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 2):
Omni, ATA, North American and World are all running flights from Larnaca and Pafos. (Hopefully switching to all Pafos)

Thus far we've moved a fair number of people. With quite a few more on the schedule....

Hey, when you due back in town, chief? I can't remember what you said the other day cause I was so out of it.

Delta is doing two. One BWI and one ATL, and boy don't I know it.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5289 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 10):
Delta is doing two

Looks like one looped in from Manchester tonight.


User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4325 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 10):
Hey, when you due back in town, chief? I can't remember what you said the other day cause I was so out of it.

When its done supposedly, we have flights through Saturday right now. AMC is taking it over from DoS and changing scheduled AMC missions to Evac flights, so it could go on longer. I have to go to Italy after that for a bit...


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4244 times:

Some news reports in the NYC area are reporting that some Americans from Lebanon are going via FRA and to McGuire AFB in Southern New Jersey. They may be adding them to regular flight runs used for transporting troops going to/from Iraq and Euro duty. As a number of evacuees from Lebanon are from the NYC, New Jersey and Philadelphia areas, McGuire may be easier for their families to pick them up at. About 100 evacuees are expected today. They expect these flights to continue this week for the remaining evacuees.

User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5861 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4204 times:

To Australia..

Orient Thai Airways B747-306M HS-UTK c/n 23137

Flight Routing: Larnaca Itl Airport Cyprus via Male to Perth (inbound)
(outbound) Perth direct to Cyprus.

Flight #1: OEA 7999/7998 Arr: 07.00hrs Dep: 10.00hrs 24/07

Flight #2: OEA 7997/7996 Arr: 17.20hrs Dep: 20.00hrs 25/07

Flight #3: OEA 7995/7994 Arr: 03.20hrs Dep: 06.00hrs 27/07


MEA1003 ARR SYD @ 0903hrs
MEA1005 ARR SYD @ 1004hrs

both MEA were today.



a true friend is someone who sees the pain in your eyes, while everyone else believes the smile on your face.
User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

There seems to be almost daily service to BWI from LCA. PFO would really be a better choice to launch flights from. Much easier to use.

Flyer732, did you get a burn at the beach?



737MAX, Cool Planes for the Worlds Coolest Airline.
User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

Olympic is bringing a flight to BWI for evacuees

OAL4118 should arrive BWI early Jul24 from Larnaca.



737MAX, Cool Planes for the Worlds Coolest Airline.
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5289 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 16):
Olympic is bringing a flight to BWI for evacuees

How very odd. Would that have been chartered by AMC/DoS or just that Olympic felt it could sell enough tickets on a commerical flight to get folks there? Frankly, I'm not seeing a lot of WOA aircraft in the air on their "normal" AMC work (although maybe some of these aren't shown of flightcomm, etc.) routes, so it seems like they should have some availability, but maybe not. If AMC had to reach out to a foreign-flag carrier, even one from the "host" country, that really says something about aircraft availability at World, Omni, North American, ATA, Ryan and Miami Air. (Miami Air, I see, is now in the mix with a 738 doing a Cyprus turn, and Ryan has had one 757 going pretty-much nonstop. Omni has at least one 757 and maybe a DC10 working evacuees. North American seems pretty busy already servicing its many ACMI and track-charter requirements for the summer, as well as its scheduled service to Africa and Georgetown, but it has been to Cyprus as well. I see that there is at least one WOA road dog on the ground in Cyprus, so maybe we're just not picking that airline's aircraft up on flytecomm, etc.)

[Edited 2006-07-24 06:33:43]

User currently offlineBH From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 525 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Yes it has been 757 central out here, hopefully the OA 340 will back up just a little bit off of the 0315am sked. time.


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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

It looks like World is doing a charter to PHL tonight
and several to BWI this week.

It won't surprise me to see other charter carriers
bring folks to the states. Air Atlanta Iceland was/is
looking to do a few.



737MAX, Cool Planes for the Worlds Coolest Airline.
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5289 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

BH: Great photos! Keep 'em coming!

Also, guys, thanks for the info on WOA and the other charter carriers.

[Edited 2006-07-24 07:47:44]

User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5289 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

I saw an article to the effect that DL charged the Gov't just $1 for its flight to ATL from Cyprus. Grinstein himself was on board, and the flight wasn't nearly full, judging from the pax count. (Perhaps it was load-restricted so that it could do the trip nonstop?) In any event, Grinstein said that they'd do it anytime the State Department wanted them to, because "It's part of the Delta DNA."

On the one hand, nice job, Delta.

On the other hand, if I were a creditor in the bankruptcy, I might be asking why these guys did a flight for $1 when the regular AMC charter contractors are being paid to do this work, as they should be. Unless DL gets to highlight the fact that it's got a huge international network and comfy widebody planes (as in "Hey, we just took a plane that had flown into Manchester, England, and sent it onwards to Cyprus, which we can easily do because of our extensive international operation!"), it may not have been a worthwhile expenditure in a strictly business sense. I don't think that DL got the publicity it was hoping for. Maybe some intangible employee morale stuff or something, but maybe not.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3463 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3828 times:

Omni Air has been operating 1-3 flts into PHL each day. Typically stopping in SNN or Rome. North American has operated a flt or two as well as World mentioned above.

Any reason why PHL has been a destination for these charters?


User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 748 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 10):

Delta is doing two. One BWI and one ATL, and boy don't I know it.

Did I read that right? DL in LCA/Phaphos?

hope someone has a camera if I read that right!

Andrew
JFK/MEM/MCI



..uh, we'll need that to live......
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5289 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 22):
Any reason why PHL has been a destination for these charters?

Have a look at the article I mentioned in Reply 1. Apparently, PHL and BWI are two places that the State Department had a prearranged plan to activate repatriation centers in the event of a crisis in certain parts of the world. Beyond that, both spots have good connections to WN and to the various legacy carriers.


25 Flyer732 : Yes you did, and no they didn't. Its not really smiled upon here. We can't even breathe here there is no time, its back and forth to Larnaca or Pafos
26 FI642 : There is discussion of puting operating hours/restrictions on arrivals into BWI. Seems everyone is getting overwhelmed. That would make things interes
27 Flyer732 : I know a place to get a few....if you really want one. Callin in the reserves are you?
28 INTENSS : Indeed, he threw in the towel....
29 FI642 : Yes, I have called in the reserves. Just gotta keep 'em apart... if you know what I mean. Those that can do, those that can't sit behind a desk.
30 Post contains images BH : They just keep rolling in: Continental N78003 Omni Air N49082 Omni Air N369AX
31 MEA : Does anyone know if Larnaca Aiport has a website?
32 MEA : Does anyone know if Larnaca Aiport has a website?
33 Wjcandee : I saw that lovely 777 on its way there. Very nice. And again, it shows how busy the military carriers are if AMC has to reach out to the legacy carri
34 Post contains images BH : She came in this morning.
35 BH : Local news is reporting 3,568 people into BWI so far on 16 flights.They should know in the next couple of days as to when the last flights will be. No
36 Kesflyer : Unfortunately they do not. It's a shame !!
37 UsAirways16bwi : does anyone know if there will be flights to BWI today from LCA?? I need to know now so i can go to the airport and do some spotting
38 BWI757 : Thanks for that one, I was assuming that the Sunpapers didn't know what they were talking about when they said a 747 came in @ 1:20 AM BWI757
39 Usairways85 : No departing city on this one, so it might be a regular AMC charter or an evacuation charter Airline American Trans Air Flight Number 5036 Departure C
40 Hush-kit : simple question: what about ATA's L1011, some are parked here @ KDFW, why aren ' t they been used for evacuation ?
41 LN-MOW : Very simply said: They're all fully booked. ATA has very limited L1011-capacity available on short notice.
42 Wjcandee : Like LN-MOW said, and to elaborate a bit more...they may be "sitting" from time-to-time, but they already have somewhere that they are committed to b
43 Flyer732 : Some foreign carriers are getting in on the act, MEA was leaving LCA two mornings ago with an A330 to YUL with Canadians from Lebanon. Good to see the
44 FXRA : Too bad for you, your gonna have to pull yourself off the beach now? DOn;t forget my souvenirs. How many people do u have hanging around the airport
45 Flyer732 : Beach? We've spent more time criss crossing this place from hotel to hotel and airport to airport because of changes. There are two of us now, and 1
46 FI642 : BWI has advised carriers there will be no more evacuation flights. I wonder what the real story is?? Yes, he's been to the beach. Maria is doing ALL o
47 Flyer732 : Might be UAB tomorrow, still waiting to hear. We're swamped now actually now that there are only two of us, its far from an easy op.
48 FI642 : Welcome to the life of an ops rep! Looks like UAB-ATL right now.
49 FXRA : Thats why i keep getting SMS messages with beach pictures and hearing about how many beers u just finished while watching topless sunbathers... sound
50 Post contains images Flyer732 : Well there aren't flights ALL day This group eats a little pricey for me...I'm going broke. The ferry today is because we can't comml from Cyprus to
51 Fxra : Don't worry Ryan, someday you'll rate a private aircraft just to fly you to the next duty assignment.. hang in there. We're workingdiligently to get
52 FI642 : Ants eat expensive compared to what Ryan wants to spend on food. Rumor has it another flight may be added to the books tonight....
53 Flyer732 : That would be correct on both sides, sir. Though the new flight is on Monday or so your daddy tells me. Nothing in the flow yet.
54 Post contains images Flyer732 : A few pics from this side. Heading off on another run to the south. Boarding up one of the flights, I don't remember when.
55 LPLAspotter : Two days ago (or three I can't remember) PDL (Sao Miguel Island Azores) had two 757 land for a technical stop with evacuees from Cyprus. They were par
56 FI642 : The North American 757's continued to BWI.
57 LPLAspotter : Thanks, for catching my ommision. LPLAspotter
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