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LH A380 To GRU And EZE-possibility  
User currently offline744lover From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 187 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9381 times:

Dears,


Today, LH sent 2 engineers to GRU to check if the airport is compatible with the A380. Tomorrow, they will take a LH Cargo flight (LH8264) from VCP to EZE to check it's compatibility.



That's a very good news, because with a 747-400 and after 14th semptember with an aditional A340-300 (GRU-MUC) the flights keep overbooked....



Cheers!

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31420 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9330 times:
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The A380 will have, what, about 100 more seats the the 744? So that should help.

User currently offlineCessnalady From Mexico, joined May 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9330 times:

So the only confirmed thing is that they will start checking compatibility procedures... IMHO, this is far, far from confirming an A380 will ever serve the route... At the moment, this is nothing more than wishful thinking... The loads re currently high due the RG crisis, but no one knows how things will be like in 2-3 more years...

Marie

[Edited 2006-07-22 18:17:48]

User currently offline744lover From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9295 times:

Marie,


The overbooked situation from LH is not new... It comes from 1-1.5 years ago... They should have add this additional flight years ago. Since two 47-400 flight daily is two much, a A380 flight would be perfect!


Cheers,
GHN


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9269 times:
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Hi 744lover, thanks for the news!

Infraero is under studies for the use of A380 at GRU (and also GIG as you demand an alternative). It will need some improvements in terms of runway, taxiways and also gates. Good to see that LH has plans to use the A380 to Brazil.

Felipe



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9091 times:

As far as I know, nothing is confirmed yet regarding the deployment of the A380 at Lufthansa and it looks they are just looking at compatibility, which is a process that has been ongoing. We've even had them here in Jakarta, and it is highly unlikely that LH would ever bring an A380 here. I'm putting my money on DEL and NRT as some of the first LH A380 destinations. That is of course if DEL is able to receive the plan.

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8976 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8876 times:

Can GRU handle the A380?? I dread the wait for luggages and the crowded terminals. . .

Quoting Cessnalady (Reply 2):
The loads re currently high due the RG crisis, but no one knows how things will be like in 2-3 more years...

The three RG flights to Germany were consistently full, as were LH's. Even before they cancelled the A346 to SCL via GRU they had good loads. Now it's down to a SWISS MD-11 (or A343?) from ZRH that continues on to SCL (IMHO due to the small Chilean market and to make higher utilization of the A346 elsewhere.

Cheers



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User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8754 times:

I think everyone is getting a bit ahead of themselves. Until schedules are released, nothing is 'confirmed'. LH is simply looking at if the A380 could work in GRU and EZE. Just like any other aircraft, an airport will not 'get' the A380. As we have seen in recent times, every route is subject to changing market conditions, and is not guarenteed to have certain equipment indefinitely. This, IMO, has been the biggest drawback to the A380 from the beginning: limited flexability. Because only certain airports will be equiped to handle it, airlines are tied as to where they can fly it. Case in point: narrow bodies are now flying routes once dominated by 747s and other widebodies.

If LH had to, could they send an A380 to GRU/GIG or EZE, perhaps for the high season, or for a charter flight? We shall see.


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8714 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 6):
SWISS MD-11 (or A343?)

It's a LX A343. No more MD11 in LX's inventory.
-HT



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8707 times:
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Quoting PPVRA (Reply 6):
Can GRU handle the A380?? I dread the wait for luggages and the crowded terminals. . .

As per Infraero, NO. The airport need improvements and a major problem is the lack of double fingers, and the runway and taxiways are not good (need to enlarge). Alto the patio is little, and an A380 in some positions can just create a nightmare for the ground control. Also the size of the terminals, both running over its nominal capacity.
Same for GIG, except for the runway and the fact that it keeps double fingers on several positions at both T1 and T2.

Felipe



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User currently offlineNicolasRubio From Argentina, joined Sep 2005, 585 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8614 times:

This is a GREAT piece of news although I am a Boeing-guy to death... Regarding EZE's capabilities to handle the A380, the runways are long, wide and strong enough for this aircraft as well as the big majority of the taxiways (there are some which need to be widened a little bit)... The jetways are the problem, because all of the ones here are "single" ones, not double ones which is a requirement for the A380 if I am not mistaken.

I'll send an e-mail to EZE's airport manager and ask him about this...



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8597 times:

Quoting Mason (Reply 7):
I think everyone is getting a bit ahead of themselves



Nothing is confirmed.......this thread should be deleted.


User currently offlineVarigB707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7865 times:

Quoting 744lover (Thread starter):


Today, LH sent 2 engineers to GRU to check if the airport is compatible with the A380. Tomorrow, they will take a LH Cargo flight (LH8264) from VCP to EZE to check it's compatibility.

Yaw'll keep it on your pants for now though...Airbus is sending engineers all over the place for now, only.
Last month, i met this Airbus exec, here in the KDFW area, who told me he was going to meet with the FAA and other local authorities to discuss the possible inclusion of the A380 in the US.
Cross yers fingers tight!!!


User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7569 times:

Quoting VarigB707 (Reply 12):
Yaw'll keep it on your pants for now though...Airbus is sending engineers all over the place for now, only.
Last month, i met this Airbus exec, here in the KDFW area, who told me he was going to meet with the FAA and other local authorities to discuss the possible inclusion of the A380 in the US.
Cross yers fingers tight!!!

First of all, great handle! Secondly, I think a lot of Boeing supporters are in denial that the A380 will be as succesful as the 747. It's only natural airlines would be sending people to all of the airports they fly to that would be natural for the A380. Anything could happen and they're preparing. Frankly, I think the A380 will be very successful.


User currently offlineVarig767 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 243 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7388 times:

Quoting VarigB707 (Reply 12):
Nothing is confirmed.......this thread should be deleted.

Wow, if we do so the whole forum wouldn't exist anymore in a few months!
TS mentioned LH 380 to GRU and EZE possibility

Right now, I know a lot more about possibilities of A380 to GRU and EZE and if this thread was deleted 'because nothing is confirmed' I wouldn't know that.


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

Quoting Varig767 (Reply 14):
TS mentioned LH 380 to GRU and EZE possibility

Actually, if I recall correctly, this thread started out with a heading of "Confirmed - LH A380 to GRU and EZE", the title was changed later.

Nonetheless, I would not be surprised to see A380s heading towards GRU as soon as the airport is ready for them; in fact, I think most Star Alliance hubs (obviously the ones outside Europe) are rather good candidates - certainly the ones to which LH currently operates one or more B747 at the limit of their respective capacities.

Nonetheless, there are also some other obvious non-hub (or non-primary-hub) destinations like JFK or LAX that I'd expect to be quote high on the list.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7291 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 15):
Actually, if I recall correctly, this thread started out with a heading of "Confirmed - LH A380 to GRU and EZE", the title was changed later

That is correct.

Quoting Varig767 (Reply 14):
Wow, if we do so the whole forum wouldn't exist
anymore in a few months!
TS mentioned LH 380 to GRU and EZE possibility

The thread title was changed......changing the title from COMFIRMED to POSSIBLY changes the entire meaning of the post and affects responses.

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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 6661 times:
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Quoting Leskova (Reply 15):
Nonetheless, I would not be surprised to see A380s heading towards GRU as soon as the airport is ready for them; in fact, I think most Star Alliance hubs (obviously the ones outside Europe) are rather good candidates - certainly the ones to which LH currently operates one or more B747 at the limit of their respective capacities.

Just a new info. LH has a meeting at GIG with Infraero next Thursday to optimize A380 operations (They are helping Brazilian Engineers on the studies for the use of the aircraft on the main Brazilian airports). I`ll keep everyone advised. Probably the same meeting took place at GRU also.

Felipe



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6514 times:

Quoting Mason (Reply 7):
If LH had to, could they send an A380 to GRU/GIG or EZE, perhaps for the high season, or for a charter flight? We shall see.

744s daily and loads being optimum do suggest that LH shifting the A380 towards EZE and GRU is more than feasible. Maybe, with the introduction of the A380, LH could put EZE back in the non-stop flight and start serving SCL or being 'fed' by Air Canada's flight inbound from SCL - which arrives just short on the departure (current flight via GRU), but that could be changed.  Smile

Quoting HT (Reply 8):
It's a LX A343. No more MD11 in LX's inventory.

 Sad

As per infrastructure, EZE is capable of handling the A380. Taxiways and runways are adequate and handle the weight. The main problem would be the jetways and the gates. But that can be handled, temporarily by using 3 gates (space) or 2 depending on location.

Cheers! wave 
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User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11):
Nothing is confirmed.......this thread should be deleted.

Whit all respect Duchjet if every Thread would have to be confirmed first before we could discuss it in our a.net it would be quite boring.    

I would not say there is no way at this point and time as we have no statement from LH in regard of a "yes" or "no"................

Cheers,

[Edited 2006-07-23 16:46:45]

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

I am surprised about all the hyping about GRU's being able to fill an A380 for LH. Sure, right now, with RG going through uncertain times, just about all seats on any airline between Europe and Brasil are taken. Yet, let's not forget that no more than a couple of months ago, LH canceled its second daily FRA-GRU flight and replaced the GRU-SCL tag by a codeshare deal on LX.

The rather impromptu addition of a daily MUC-GRU flight starting this september is simply driven by the unfortunate circumstances pertaining to RG. Once the dust has cleared, the situation could return to normal and why would LH be able to do then what it was not able to do earlier?

I believe that there are bigger priorities for the deployment of the A380 at Lufthansa than GRU. Again, those priorities most certainly include DEL and NRT.


User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
The A380 will have, what, about 100 more seats the the 744? So that should help.

Hum... more than that I guess.

Taking into account that LH's 744's with the new business have 330 seats, and that the 380's must have around 500 seats, or even more, the diference should be of about 170 seats.

Regards:
A360


User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6398 times:

Who knows what LH is thinking about right now? What makes me happy is that they are researching every possible way to make money on the 380!

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6238 times:

Quoting Swissy (Reply 19):
Whit all respect Duchjet if every Thread would have to be confirmed first before we could discuss it in our a.net it would be quite boring



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):

The thread title was changed......changing the title from COMFIRMED to POSSIBLY changes the entire meaning of the post and affects responses.

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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8976 posts, RR: 39
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6010 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):
Yet, let's not forget that no more than a couple of months ago, LH canceled its second daily FRA-GRU flight and replaced the GRU-SCL tag by a codeshare deal on LX.

I don't see how a 35% or so increase in seats over the current offering will be too difficult to fill if they operated and A346 in addition of the 744 just a couple months ago. And I believe we are talking a few, mayeb a couple, years down the line, not "ASAP."

Unless, of course, competition increases significantly.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):

I believe that there are bigger priorities for the deployment of the A380 at Lufthansa than GRU. Again, those priorities most certainly include DEL and NRT.

Fully agree! GRU will also not be ready in time.

Cheers

[Edited 2006-07-23 23:56:49]


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25 Post contains images VarigB707 : Thank Your... That's from back in the day... A long time ago.
26 Hardiwv : Felipe: tks for the information. I am NOT surprised a bit. LH's history in GRU shows that the route is one of the priorities for LH after all. So muc
27 HB-IWC : Given that GRU in particular and Brasil more generally is supposedly a Star hub, I find the interest that Lufthansa/Swiss have been paying to the Bra
28 Hardiwv : Completely agree with each of your statements above. Correct. Rgs,
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