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User currently offlineContinentalGuy From United States of America, joined May 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Why is it that United is the only american carrier that flies to Australia? It seems reasonable that CO or AA would try for it.

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User currently offlineCOrocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

Doesn't Continental still fly to Cairns?

User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Quoting ContinentalGuy (Thread starter):
AA would try for it.

Did didn't work
Ditto for NW.
The mainland CO served it for in the 80's before pulling the plug on all South Pacific service.
America West was going to try it, but went bankrupt.


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5520 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Quoting ContinentalGuy (Thread starter):
AA would try for it.

AA have a codeshare agreement with QF which is working fine for them

[Edited 2006-07-23 01:14:05]

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5552 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

It's a difficulty route because:
1) It's long & thin, which means high costs.
2) You ideally need a big hub on the west coast, or at least a big focus city.
3) You need feed on the Oz end. There is nobody except for QF & LCC DJ.
4) Compertation is veryhigh from two first class carriers who have no where else to go, ie QF & NZ.
5) Because of this Return on Investment is low and there are better optunities else where, eg North Asia.

Funny enough the best placed US carrier to serve Oz/NZ is AA, who discovered many years ago that a code share arrangement with QF was far more profitable than running their own metal down here.

Dont expect too much change unless something big happens, eg sub-ortibal flight, UA going Chapter 7 or Star Trek transporters being deployed.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24638 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2353 times:
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Quoting ContinentalGuy (Thread starter):
Why is it that United is the only american carrier that flies to Australia? It seems reasonable that CO or AA would try for it.

As I recall, Hawaiian Airlines is an American carrier, and they fly to Sydney.

And Continental flies to Cairns and Australia is more than Sydney.  Smile

mariner



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
And Continental flies to Cairns



Quoting COrocks (Reply 1):
Doesn't Continental still fly to Cairns?

Exactly how many USA mainland based passengers fly to Cairns on Continental by the way of Guam?

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
Hawaiian Airlines is an American carrier, and they fly to Sydney.

Missed that one, that how invisible that service is. Can only use the service if one lives on the west coast, otherwise its a day or more layover.

Now if we add the cargo carriers of Fedex, UPS, Atlas etc.

[Edited 2006-07-23 03:16:31]

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24638 posts, RR: 86
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2282 times:
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Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
Exactly how many USA mainland based passengers fly to Cairns on Continental by the way of Guam?

I've no idea, that wasn't part of the question. I know a fair number of Australians who have taken the flight. I have flown to Los Angeles via Guam.

But it another American airline that flies to Australia. If you mean "another American airline that flies to Sydney" - see below.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
Missed that one, that how invisible that service is. Can only use the service if one lives on the west coast, otherwise its a day or more layover.

I am told it is doing quite well, so I guess it isn't that invisible, but it remains an American airline that flies to Australia. To Sydney. Which seemed to be the question asked.

Most of the reasons why there are not more US airlines flying to Australia are covered by Gemuser in reply #4.

mariner

[Edited 2006-07-23 03:41:21]


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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5552 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
Missed that one, that how invisible that service is. Can only use the service if one lives on the west coast, otherwise its a day or more layover.

I think they are one to watch. As they emerge from their recent troubles and aquire more aircraft and mainland destnations their oppunities for development of a South Pacific route structure will increase and they could offer an attractive service from any US point that does not have non stop to Oz, but does have non stop to HNL.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3860 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
Australia is more than Sydney. Smile

Naaaaa...really?! Thats kinda of like saying "The US is more than NY or LA", though many in those two cities would probably beg to differ.

Thomas



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24638 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2110 times:
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Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 9):
Thats kinda of like saying "The US is more than NY or LA",

It is exactly like saying that. That's why i said it.

mariner



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User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

How many USA mainland based pax fly to Australia via CO/GUM?
Next to no-one. Most pax on GUM-CNS are Asian originating and transiting GUM... I don't even think CO makes any special fares available for Mainland-GUM-CNS.


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7438 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1984 times:
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well, going to Australia, you could take QF (AA codeshare), CO, Hawaiian, United.

With ways to get there via Qantas, Air New Zealand and Air Tahiti Nui, is there a need for the American carriers to jump on these routes, which are not yet saturated to begin with?



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User currently offlineBriboy From Canada, joined Jul 2001, 358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1791 times:

Until of course AC starts LAX SYD next year....

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User currently offlineLondonlady71 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 152 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

I wish united would put someextra ones on that flight is always busy and I am trying to get there tomorrow lol....given up trying to get out of heathrow and am id90'ing on BA and QF via japan! Whoever says id 90's are cheap....err no way its costing me £478! one way!! lol...ah well it means a round the world trip as I am coming back via nz and LA!

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