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First 787 Into LHR?  
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6836 times:

It seems that LHR will be seeing loads of A380s from early on in the programme's life (SQ, QF, EK, VS, etc.) but it may be much longer before 787s are seen there regularly.

Who'll be the first to fly them into LHR?

Neither of the Japanese airlines seem likely. Nor do any of the Chinese airlines. NW and CO don't (can't) fly to LHR and Blue Panorama and First Choice won't be there either. NZ and QF seem unlikely to use them into London and so on and so on.

My guess would be Icelandair and Air Canada as the only likely airlines in the near term. Maybe Kenya Airways and Air India would come later.

Either way, it seems that LHR will NOT be the place to see 787s in the early years at least.

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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6786 times:

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Either way, it seems that LHR will NOT be the place to see 787s in the early years at least.

Not unless my username becomes apparent

Tom


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6786 times:

Also, same sort of topic. What about A350's

Tom


User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6653 times:

BA will order 787 for sure. But until then what about JAL or ANA?

User currently offlineNZ8800 From New Zealand, joined May 2006, 425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6599 times:

ANA are ordering some.


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6473 times:

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
My guess would be Icelandair and Air Canada as the only likely airlines in the near term. Maybe Kenya Airways and Air India would come later.

Air Canada and Kenya Airways seem the obvious ones to me. AC will probably use them on routes like Halifax and Ottawa - LHR (routes like LHR-YYZ might need the capacity of a B777). As Nairobi-LHR is arguably KQ's main route and the B787 will be their main long haul aircraft I would expect them to send them to LHR

I guess Air India will use a larger aircraft on most LHR services but maybe a B787 will beb used from smaller cities like Calcutta. As for Icelandair I guess they will only use their B787 at peak times

Another possibility is Air Seychelles



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6430 times:

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
NZ and QF seem unlikely to use them into London and so on and so on.

not unless they come out with an LR version capable of non-stop.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6424 times:

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 3):
But until then what about JAL or ANA?

They will go to 777-300ERs. They JAL recently reduced 747s to LHR (something with them entering OneWorld). They now operate 777s. I think it will stay that way.

Like others, I would think that Kenyan and AC will be the ones into LHR. Does ET serve LHR? If they do, they are also a candidate.



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6293 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 5):
routes like LHR-YYZ might need the capacity of a B777

AC will use the 787s for YYZ to LHR along with B777. don't forget AC wants frequencies. I can see them using YYC and YVR to LHR.


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6266 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
Does ET serve LHR? If they do, they are also a candidate.

Unless traffic picks up or the 78 is used for prestige, you will not see ET operating it into LHR. ET has operated 75s almost exclusively for years into LHR and LGW.


User currently offlineCSMUK From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 51 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6053 times:

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 3):
BA will order 787 for sure. But until then what about JAL or ANA?

Will we?

Dana
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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

Quoting CSMUK (Reply 10):
Will we?

The 787 would be a perfect replacement for the 767s, so I'd say BA will eventually order it.


User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5765 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11):
The 787 would be a perfect replacement for the 767s, so I'd say BA will eventually order it.

Very likely given that British Airways has long been a Boeing user. And if the 787-10 comes into being, it will likely be used to replace BA's older 777s.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5714 times:

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 12):
Very likely given that British Airways has long been a Boeing user. And if the 787-10 comes into being, it will likely be used to replace BA's older 777s.

I can see BA placing a very large 787 order a few years down the road, consolidating - by replacing both their 777 and 767 fleets into an order for 787-8 and 787-10.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5366 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 13):

I can see BA placing a very large 787 order a few years down the road, consolidating - by replacing both their 777 and 767 fleets into an order for 787-8 and 787-10.

 checkmark .....BA just recently re-upped their options on the 777 (from 1998) with the ability for them to change to the 787's...

I see 787's, B747-8I, A32x as their fleet...possibly a dozen or so A380's down the road for their trunk routes....but I think they would go with the 747-8I first...



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User currently offlineUAXDXer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5180 times:

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
CO don't (can't) fly to LHR

Maybe when CAL merges with UAL, LHR will see a 787.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

AA will certainly order the 787 (within the next 1 year IMO), so I'm betting some 787 in AA colors will be flying around LHR. I hope to be on one of them.


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User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 16):
AA will certainly order the 787 (within the next 1 year IMO), so I'm betting some 787 in AA colors will be flying around LHR. I hope to be on one of them.

I dont think you would see the 787 at LHR right away. In all likelyhood the 787 would first replace the aging 767-223 fleet and be deployed on LAX/SFO-JFK. AA is happy with 100% 777 ops at LHR, plus having a common fleet type at a particular city helps keep costs down.


User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

Quoting ETStar (Reply 9):
Unless traffic picks up or the 78 is used for prestige, you will not see ET operating it into LHR. ET has operated 75s almost exclusively for years into LHR and LGW.

ETstar

I have noticed the 763 doing LHR and LGW several times the last 2 weeks or so.


User currently offlineAAden From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

AA, UA, or BA



AAden


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Quoting AAden (Reply 19):
AA, UA, or BA

None of which, of course, have yet ordered the 787...


User currently offlineTLVFred From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2623 times:

LY will most probably order them to replace their ageing 767s. They would be trying to pressure Boeing for quick delivery and will be used on LHR.

User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 5):
I guess Air India will use a larger aircraft on most LHR services but maybe a B787 will beb used from smaller cities like Calcutta.

You're right....AI will probably use the 777's on the LHR route, but could have a few 787's flying direct from smaller cities like Hyderabad, Bangalore, maybe even Ahmedabad....

Kolkata, as you rightly pointed out, could be a candidate for direct 787 flights to LHR , but I'd be careful about calling it a 'smaller city'....definitely a lower traffic city, but it happens to be one of the biggest cities in India....you'll have a bunch of Bengali babu's at your throat for saying this...it's all too easy to hurt their ego's... smile 


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2549 times:

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Who'll be the first to fly them into LHR?

Much depends on the delivery slots but I guess some of the European carriers might use them temporarily on some LHR flights post delivery in the same way that the likes of IB A340s, AF 777s and others have been used on LHR flights in the past.

With that in mind we might see the odd LO or FI 787 flight operated after taking delivery.

But as far as regular scheduled ops are concerned then most likely AC and KQ as already stated must be contenders.



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