ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5563 posts, RR: 38 Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9862 times:
In the NZZ am Sonntag is an interesting article about Swiss that they probabely want to lease four A 340-300 from Air Canada from 2007 on. They say that this would be possible because of the better performing and the new agreement with the pilots. But they also say in the article that they have to stay realistic and that LH gives them a tight target regarding the figures.
If this became true this would be a huge step on Swiss' long-haul service, considering that this year they already will get two new 332. This would make 6 new long-haul aircrafts till 2007.
Here is the article (only in German). http://www.nzz.ch/2006/07/23/wi/articleEBKO6.html
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9596 times:
Good to see you back! I want to use famous Martin Luther King words "I Have a dream!"...and my dream would be...seeing SWISS ordering the A350 during 2007 to start replacing the A330's and latter the A340s!!! That would be a great "dream"! But looking to the possibility that SWISS can get those AC 343's, at least give me a great sign that SWISS is emerging has one of the best airlines in the world, with a great network...like in the old days!!! I think swiss aviation deserve that and SWISS have a place for that!!!
I have now a schedule visit to Congo early next year and in my mind I said - "If this was a few years ago, I would certainly fly SWISS or Swissair...", I keep chasing this dream, to have SWISS flying all over the world again!
ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5563 posts, RR: 38 Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9487 times:
Quoting CV990 (Reply 5): .seeing SWISS ordering the A350 during 2007 to start replacing the A330's and latter the A340s!!
Considering the time till the 350 will enter service I can see Swiss ordering them. Their 330/340 are not too old but in some time they anyhow have to think about the renewal of the fleet. But this most probably will not happen 2007 yet.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9475 times:
Well, I understand your view and probably also SWISS view, we have SWISS A330's with about 7 years now and the A340's are even younger....but it will be a "hell of a great airliner" with SWISS colours don't you think???
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9440 times:
Don't worry, those guys will certainly order the A350!!! It's interesting to see that during all these decades swiss aviation and portuguese aviation have been quite close. It all started in early 60's when TAP wanted to buy two Swissair DC-8-30's....latter we got 3 of Swissair A330-200's ( by the way TP is very happy with these airplanes...), 1 A319 and 1 A320...all ex: Swissair. Now TP have an order for 12 A350's and I expect an order for SWISS A350 in the future!!! And we are both at Star Alliance!!!! Very interesting!!!
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9387 times:
Hey ZRH!!! I'm counting on that!!!! TP got them, I'm sure LH/LX will need them in the future!!!! I hope those guys at LH/LX listen to you and me!!!! Even with all this "mess" and "noise" regarding the A350, TP NEVER even got close to cancel the order!!!! We have a great plane comming in I tell you!!!
ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5563 posts, RR: 38 Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9363 times:
Quoting Youngflyer (Reply 13): Does anyone know if the leased A340's will be outfitted with LX's personal entertainment system
I think this is not the question at the moment. It is by fare not yet sure that they really get those AC 340. When the contract is fixed we will see if they will keep the AC interior or change to Swiss standards.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9363 times:
Please...don't even talk about that...( just kidding of course...)! I remember well in mid 70's seeing EVERY DAY SR flying their SR690 LIS/GVA/ZRH with the good old Convair CV990 Coronado!!!! Just a great site at LIS airport! I'm sincerely glad that you ever had the chance to fly that great airplane. My first flight was indeed also with SR in 1979 but......it was unfortunetely HB-ISR, a DC-9-51 from SR too.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4450 posts, RR: 73 Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9302 times:
Swiss could very well do with the extra capacity to supplement existing longhaul service on core routes to daily service. Such daily operations are necessary to stand a better chance of attracting premium traffic. Longhaul routes lacking daily service include BKK, SIN, NRT, JNB, GRU, and, if they decide to keep it, LAX. MIA services will become daily with the addition of 2 A332 frames later in the year. As for NRT, LX has had the rights to operate daily services for about 3 years now, but have so far not done so.
As for future growth, I can see Swiss reopening the ZRH-IAD route, given the new UA partnership, and a return to China is very much on the cards as well. I've never really understood why they abandoned China at a time when other European carriers were stampeding for China rights in the first place.
Swissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9286 times:
Quoting Youngflyer (Reply 13): Does anyone know if the leased A340's will be outfitted with LX's personal entertainment system? as far as i know AC does not have PTV's on their A340's while LX has AVOD on their A340's.
Believe me if that deal happens they sure will get the "Swiss" interior as these birds still have the "old" AC color and look pretty tiered.
ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5563 posts, RR: 38 Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9275 times:
Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 17): What about getting their A340-500s? It may be a good addition Swiss' lonh-haul service.
Why the A 340-500? I agree it is probably the best looking 340 but Swiss does not have these ultra long haul routes which would legitimate to buy these birds. All the long Swiss routes to SIN, BKK, NRT, LAX or GRU can be flown easily with the 340-300. The 340-500 is actually only a niche aircraft like the 777LR is.
KrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1588 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9275 times:
AC is getting 5 B773ER , the fifth being leased through IFLC.
I've herd that some A340's maybe withdrawn from AC's fleet as early as Q4 2006. I'm sure that if Swiss get's the ex AC 340's they will want to significantly improve the interior. AC's A340 fleet was delivered between 1996 and 1999.
AirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1501 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9195 times:
Its nice to see fellow member star alliance helping one another. Lets hope Swiss gets AC A340s. Nice to see Swiss back on the right track. I wish them well One thing I'm so happy was Swiss joining Star Alliance, I remember long time ago AC and SR were a very good partners in the early 90s and late 80s too if I do recall?.. Its nice to see Swiss back in partnership with AC.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9093 times:
My goodness, such excitement over four used airplanes?!
First, does AC own the four A343s in question? I thought that most of the AC A340 fleet was leased.
Second, why would AC lease the airplanes to Swiss? Thats an unususal financal arrangement and AC would probably like to get the A343s off of their books......I would expect a third party lessor to come in and arrange this deal, if its happening.
Third, what would LX do with two A345s? There are no existing or potential routes that would require that type.
AC has a mix of A340-300 and A340-300X aircraft - I assume that Swiss is interested in the slightly newer 300X variants?
25 HB-IWC: Are the AC A343s even owned? If not, LX or SK or whoever were planning to get its hands on those airframes would be dealing with the respective leasin
26 RJ100: According to my knowledge the aircraft are owned by ILFC. Regards, RJ100
27 Dutchjet: Well, now this is starting to make some sense.
28 Solnabo: Wonder how AC 777 look in the famous toothpaste c/s? Maybe Kingfisher buys 2 A345 from AC. Time will tell... Micke//SWE [Edited 2006-07-23 18:09:04]
29 AirCanada014: check out the pictures. Here's the other picture of B787
30 Solnabo: I rest my case!!AC pics.... Micke/SWE [Edited 2006-07-23 18:24:39]
31 CV990: Hi! I sincerly think SWISS needs extra capacity, but I also agree with ZRH, SWISS doesn't need the A340-500!!! So SWISS can add those AC 343's ( I als
32 HB-IWC: As I said before, priorities should be to complement existing core longhaul destinations to daily service. Extra frequencies to NRT, BKK-SIN, JNB, GR
33 Ka: I think there are quite some people at LX wishing they hadn´t cancelled the remaining 3 options they held for the A343. They would come very handy no
34 LTU932: While I agree LX going for more A343 would make sense, I hear they have major problems with departing at MTOW out of ZRH, which is why, if I'm not mi
35 Skookum: I am terribly sad to see the A343 and A345 leaving the AC fleet in favour of the T7, and even more sad that we never saw the A346 in AC colours! I hop
36 HB-IWC: Never heard of such problems, and I am quite surprised to hear about them. Furthermore, earlier A343 operators into ZRH, including Cathay, Air China
37 ANITIX87: There's no point in replacing them, for several reasons. 1) I love the A332, and if it got replaced I'd be very disappointed. 2) The planes are not o
38 Skookum: Well, when you put it like that... Cheers Skookum
39 Dutchjet: I think that you need to get out more.
40 ANITIX87: Obviously reason number one is because of me! I do get out more, my other loves are Concorde, A333, 773, A345, and 722. TIS
41 Dutchjet: You are unfaithful......I hope that you play safe..
42 Skookum: Good on you. Dutchjet, do you find it all that suprising that you may find some true airliner buffs on this forum? Cheers Skookum
43 Briboy: I think the key is availability. Where would the 333s come? AC is dropping them, but not this year, nor next. 343s are hard enough to get -- esp. 343
44 CV990: Hi ANITIX87! I agree with Skookum.....the way you emphasise the love for the A330-200 there's "no way" SWISS will EVER get rid of those airplanes!!!!
45 LTU932: It was something I heard on a Swiss aviation forum. Maybe I misinterpreted that or don't remember exactly, I read that a long time ago anyway.
46 ZRH: Actually they don't have any runway problems, the runways are fare long enough. But because of the slow climbing performance of the 343 they have to
47 Ka: Well, the last few times I flew on LX A343s it was full AVOD - and nothing less. Starting, stopping, rewinding films and music at any time. Not so on
48 LTU932: That's what I meant, the departure procedures after T/O. I never said anything about the runway length (specifically 14/32 and 16/34) affecting climb
49 Ka: Well, they take the same procedures as anybody else, too. The climb performance will result in a later or no direct routing - which is no different t
50 ChrisZRH: there are no special procedures at all... just a normal takeoff with as much flexing as possible to get the plane airborne on the desired runway. a ve
51 FlyDreamliner: AC's interior is pretty trademark, I really doubt they'd keep that. Is there a market for ULH service for swiss? The A345 doesn't really offer a sign
52 AutoThrust: Yes the A350 is the future i hope LX will order it sometime. They would be eyepopping to see them in LX livery. Me to i would be very sad when t