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Fate Of The KLM 747-200/300s  
User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4313 posts, RR: 36
Posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9320 times:

Inspired by the great work of Virgin Flyer I decided to put together a disposition of all the 20 KLM 747 200s and 300s. The 400s are all still flying with KLM so I only focuss on the classics. It took me about 45 minutes so if anyone else feels inspiration  Smile

PH-BUA cn 19922, l/n 96, last with America West as N531AW now scrapped

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PH-BUB cn 19923, l/n 118, last with America West as N532AW now scrapped

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PH-BUC cn 19924, l/n 138, last with America West as N533AW now scrapped

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PH-BUD cn 20398, l/n 152, last with TWA as N306TW, now scrapped

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PH-BUE cn 20399, l/n 156, last with Corsair as F-GLNA, now scrapped

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PH-BUF cn 20400, l/n 157, crashed at Tenerife in 1977

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PH-BUG cn 20427, l/n 170, last with Corsair as F-GPJM, now scrapped

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PH-BUH cn 21110, l/n 271, now with Martinair Cargo

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PH-BUI cn 21111, l/n 276, now with Southern Air Cargo as N746SA

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PH-BUK cn 21549, l/n 336, now preserved at Lelystad (note: no pictures with short upper deck exist)

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PH-BUL cn 21550, l/n 344, for parts as N725SA, scrapped?

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PH-BUM cn 21659, l/n 369, last with Thai Sky AL, now stored at Bangkok

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PH-BUN cn 21660, l/n 389, last as N726SA scrapped

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PH-BUO cn 21848, l/n 397, last with Phuket Air as HS-VAA now stored

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N1295E/PH-BUP cn 22376 l/n 474, last as N94104 stored

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N1298E/PH-BUR cn 22379 l/n 494, last as N729SA stored

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N1309E/PH-BUT cn 22380 l/n 539, last with Air Atlanta as TF-ARQ, now stored as N730SA
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N4548M/PH-BUU cn 23056 l/n 587, last with Phuket Air as HS-VAC, now stored

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N4551N/PH-BUV cn 23137 l/n 600, now with Orient Thai as HS-UTK

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PH-BUW cn 23508 l/n 657, now with Surinam Airways as PZ-TCM

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Photo © Cees de Krijger




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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9302 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Thread starter):
PH-BUO cn 21848, l/n 397, last with Phuket Air as HS-VAA now stored



Quoting MEA-707 (Thread starter):
N4548M/PH-BUU cn 23056 l/n 587, last with Phuket Air as HS-VAC, now stored

Both of these frames, wearing Phuket Air colors, and one more still wearing basic KLM colors are stored outside the Garuda Maintenance Facility here in Jakarta's Soekarno Hatta International Airport.


User currently offlineJHSfan From Denmark, joined Apr 2004, 469 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9252 times:

Quoting MEA-707" class=quote target=_blank>MEA-707 (Thread starter):
Inspired by the great work of Virgin Flyer I decided to put together a disposition of all the 20 KLM 747 200s and 300s.

Good initiative MEA-707.  Smile The stretched upper deck versions of the 742 has my interest. 743 also fine btw.

- JHSfan



Look at me, I´m riding high, I´m the airbornmaster of the sky...
User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9207 times:

BUN was my first KLM aircraft that I flew and BUK was an interesting flight. Was flying from ORD to AMS in October 2003. Onboard a man got yelled at for smoking in the lavatory. Now in the lavatory, there's a sign that says, Smoking in the lavatory constitutes as an offence under Dutch law.

Leo



Leo/ORD -- Groetjes uit de VS! -- Heeft u laatst nog met KLM gevlogen?
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9098 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Thread starter):
PH-BUH cn 21110, l/n 271, now with Martinair Cargo

I can imagine once MP's first 744BCF comes online, PH-BUH will be the first to be phased out. I heard this is a high cycle aircraft and needs lots of maintenance and is the cause of some delays.

BTW, it's interesting to see that all of KL's 743s (not the 742SUDs) still have the old wing to body fairing and none had the CF6-80 as engine, like on newer 743s. Which leads me to the question of when KL introduced the 743 into their fleet and when was the last delivered.


User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9057 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
introduced the 743 into their fleet and when was the last delivered.

PH-BUW was their last 743 and it was delivered in October of 1986.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8950 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 5):
PH-BUW was their last 743 and it was delivered in October of 1986.

OK, thanks. That explains why KL's 743s don't have the improvements of newer 743s.


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8858 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
BTW, it's interesting to see that all of KL's 743s (not the 742SUDs) still have the old wing to body fairing

Are there any pictures clearly showing the difference? I wasn't aware of any changes in the belly fairing.



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8837 times:

Mods: If any are listening, certain threads should be retired to a special "reference" archive. This one definitely qualifies, IMO! Just like VirginFlyer's magnificent post on the PanAm 747 dispositions....


"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8705 times:

Great thread!
Can anyone add the date of deliveries and retirement and maybe conversion to SUD as well?

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 1):
one more still wearing basic KLM colors are stored outside the Garuda Maintenance Facility here in Jakarta's Soekarno Hatta International Airport.

Which one is this. I can't find a candidate in the list provided by MEA-707


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8542 times:

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 9):
Which one is this. I can't find a candidate in the list provided by MEA-707

I don't know what registration it is currently wearing, but it is clearly still in the KLM blue livery, without any titles, and parked in a corner at the Garuda Maintenance Facility. I can see it from my office.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8535 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 7):
Are there any pictures clearly showing the difference? I wasn't aware of any changes in the belly fairing.

Yes, there are. Left is old wing to body fairing and CF6-50 engines, right is new (or rather the on the 744 currently used) wing to body fairing and CF6-80.

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If you compare both aircraft at once, you'll notice the difference.


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4313 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8529 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
Which one is this. I can't find a candidate in the list provided by MEA-707

I don't know what registration it is currently wearing, but it is clearly still in the KLM blue livery, without any titles, and parked in a corner at the Garuda Maintenance Facility. I can see it from my office.

Makes me wonder as well... Maybe a former Korean Air machine instead, is the blue a bit lightish? The two Phukets were in their full colours and the other ones are accounted for as well.



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8491 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 12):
Maybe a former Korean Air machine instead, is the blue a bit lightish?

Definitely a former KLM machine. There is no way I would confuse the KLM livery with the Korean livery. After all, the things has been sitting there for well over a year, and as such I've been looking at it for just about as long. I'll try and figure out what registration it is currently wearing. Two Phuket Air B743s are also still parket here.


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8449 times:

At least the following 9R 747s should be in CGK:

VAA (PH-BUO)
VAB (-312)
VAC (PH-BUU)
VAN (-312)
VAO (-2U3B)
VAU (-2U3B)

Including BUO/BUU as HB-IWC said.

I spotted the KLM colours 747 in CGK as well, no info of rego.

MEA-707 was probably referring to Orient Thai's HS-UTL (-3B5), it's flying but I don't know where, haven't spotted it in BKK.



Air Asia Super Elite, Cebu Pacific Titanium
User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8415 times:

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 9):
Can anyone add the date of deliveries and retirement and maybe conversion to SUD as well?

Upper deck modifications first 6 KLM B 747-206B (PH-BUA/B/C/D/E/G)

PH-BUE 13 sep 1979 - 25 oct 1979
PH-BUG 11 okt 1979 - 21 nov 1979
PH-BUB 8 nov 1979 - 20 dec 1979
PH-BUA 2 jan 1980 - 8 feb 1980
PH-BUC 6 mar 1980 - 14 mar 1980
PH-BUD 15 mar 1980 - 28 apr 1980

The modification was done to replace the lounge on the upper deck by a business class compartment. The number of upper deck windows raised from 3 on each side to 10 on each side. Besides that, an extra emergency exit was fitted on the port side of the upper deck. The modification was carried out at the Boeing plant in Wichita.
Last KL B747-206 (P&W) flight was PH-BUG on 23 Sept 1990 as KL 604 LAX-AMS

I thought I had a list for the upper deck modification of the 10 KLM 747-206B (GE engines) as well. Unfortunately I cannot find it that fast. (I will keep searching)
At least I know some dates of the first 3 a/c to be modified.
Modification was done at the Boeing plant in Seattle/Everett

N1295E 30 oct 1984 - 14 dec 1984
PH-BUO
PH-?
PH-BUK 15 apr 1985



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User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8365 times:

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 9):
Can anyone add the date of deliveries and retirement and maybe conversion to SUD as well?



Quoting KL5147 (Reply 15):
I will keep searching

found it  Smile


Registration // delivery / SUD conversion
......................................to Boeing - from Boeing
PH-BUH // 19 oct 1975 / 23 jun 1985 - 13 aug 1985
PH-BUI // 16 dec 1975 / 18 aug 1985 - 9 oct 1985
PH-BUK // 1 sept 1978 / 10 feb 1985 - 16 apr 1985
PH-BUL // 3 nov 1978 / 21 apr 1985 - 19 jun 1985
PH-BUM // 15 may 1979 / 7 oct 1985 - 1 dec 1985
PH-BUN // 17 aug 1979 / ? ? 1986 - 27 may 1986
PH-BUO // 22 sep 1979 / 9 nov 1984 - 30 jan 1985
N1295E // 11 sep 1980 / 30 oct 1984 - 14 dec 1984
N1298E // 11 dec 1980 / 7 jan 1985 - 11 mar 1985
N1309E // 29 sep 1981 / ? ? 1985 - 13 jan 1986

N4548N // 30 sep 1983
N4551N // 14 sep 1984
PH-BUW // 10 oct 1986


Registration // delivery
PH-BUA // 16 jan 1971
PH-BUB // 4 mar 1971
PH-BUC // 21 may 1971
PH-BUD // 31 aug 1971
PH-BUE // 30 sep 1971
PH-BUF // 19 oct 1971
PH-BUG // 15 dec 1971 was delivered in KLM/Viasa colours. KLM on the port side, Viasa on the right side. I don't know when it was repainted in full KLM c/s



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8275 times:

Quoting KL5147 (Reply 15):
I thought I had a list for the upper deck modification of the 10 KLM 747-206B (GE engines) as well.

Maybe nice to show some CF6-50 images of the PH-BUK taken during installation.

Preparations for installation.



Everything in position.



Job done........ piece of cake  Wink


Willem



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User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8167 times:

Thanks for all the great info, KL5147!

Quoting MEA-707 (Thread starter):
PH-BUL cn 21550, l/n 344, for parts as N725SA, scrapped?

Found this tidbit on http://www.visitingphx.com/charters2004.html:
Sep27,03 ex-KLM Boeing 747-200B N725SA 21550 n/t-ex-PH-BUL; Timco Ramp; parting out-scrapping area 5/15/04-on jacks 5/29/04; presumed scrapped-6/12/04
acc to the FAA the reg was cancelled at August 11, 2004

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 1):
and one more still wearing basic KLM colors are stored outside the Garuda Maintenance Facility here in Jakarta's Soekarno Hatta International Airport.



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
I don't know what registration it is currently wearing, but it is clearly still in the KLM blue livery, without any titles, and parked in a corner at the Garuda Maintenance Facility. I can see it from my office.

Found it! Acc to other sources it should be

Quoting MEA-707 (Thread starter):
N1295E/PH-BUP cn 22376 l/n 474, last as N94104 stored

which was ferried MHV-HNL on 03sep04 and on to CGK 06sep04 in basic KLM c/s


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8138 times:

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 18):
which was ferried MHV-HNL on 03sep04 and on to CGK 06sep04 in basic KLM c/s

It might have come here in order to prep it for Phuket Airways as well, but the deal might have falled through. Anyway, it is still sitting there in the corner. I'm looking at it as I write. Sad sight.


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