Koruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12435 times:
I understand from friends in South Africa that Air New Zealand is in the final stages of completing plans to fly from Auckland to Johannesburg.
If this is correct it would explain a number of different fleet and route developments.
I presume that the current daily Auckland-Perth 767 would be extended to Johannesburg three times weekly using the spare 747-400 which will be coming off the AKL-LAX-LHR run in January. (That service reduces to a 777 in October, but becomes a 747 again for the Christmas holiday season).
We have seen that Air NZ has done well with its "traditional markets" (the LHR, LAX and SFO services) but has suffered badly in Asia. South Africa more closely resembles a traditional market, but only 4 engine aircraft can fly the route, meaning that 777 services aren't going to happen.
Japan, Taipei, Bangkok, Bali and now even Singapore have failed as Air NZ routes. It looks as if the airline is now consolidating its focus on the UK, USA, Australia and South Africa (although I noted that Mr Fyfe also mentioned Japan and Hong Kong, which is touching but naive).
ZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12316 times:
this is news to us kiwi's lol's seems odd tho for two 'star alliance ' airlines to run head to head on this route , tho be able to get more info when i return to NZ next week. rummer was it that 1 ,744 was to be parked up at akl, and that India was getting a look at too.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9466 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12234 times:
That would be awesome if they would although South African has the proper planes for the route with the A340s. It would be interesting to see it as South African is now in Star Alliance. How big of a market is this? I would guess that there is some tourism, but I'm not that familiar with that part of the world.
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To me, AKL-MEN-JNB would seem like a better route than AKL-PER-JNB as there is already another Star Alliance member flying this route. I thought NZ would have learnt it's lesson from the whole SQ and SIN incident. Even a AKL-SYD-JNB route would be better, but one route is better than none as they say.
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4798 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12045 times:
Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 7): To me, AKL-MEN-JNB would seem like a better route than AKL-PER-JNB as there is already another Star Alliance member flying this route. I thought NZ would have learnt it's lesson from the whole SQ and SIN incident. Even a AKL-SYD-JNB route would be better, but one route is better than none as they say.
hmmm NZ5 LAX-AKL-MEL-JNB ? I wonder if that would claim the title for the worlds longest flight?!
ZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11849 times:
Quoting Koruman (Thread starter): presume that the current daily Auckland-Perth 767 would be extended to Johannesburg three times weekly using the spare 747-400 which will be coming off the AKL-LAX-LHR run in January.
Hi Koruman. An interesting idea, but this would stuff up rerturn PER-AKL schedules, with flights operating PER-AKL twice on three days each week, with no flights on other days. Do you really think NZ would do this? Also I note the SUBSTANTIAL difference in SAA timings PER-JNB and return in Star Alliance timetable which I've based my PER - JNB & vv estimates on...
AKL-PER (est DUR: 7.15 w B744; 7.35 w B763)
PER-JNB (est DUR: 11.15 w B744)
JNB-PER (est DUR: 9.20 w B744)
PER-AKL (est DUR: 6.05 w B744; 6.25 w B763)
January dep arr
AKL-PER 1225 -1440 Mo We Fr B744
PER-JNB 1610 - 2230
JNB-PER 0140 - 1700+ Tu Th Sa B744
PER-AKL 1825+ - 0530+
ZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11717 times:
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 11): maybe NZ would fly 3x weekly AKL-PER-JNB with a 744 and 4x weekly AKL-PER-BOM with a 777?
YES - good point. If they make it DAILY one-stop via Perth, then the schedule is less likely to be messed up. This is not such a critical issue with MEL, SYD or BNE because they all have a higher NZ frequency of service. And as has been said in other postings in this forum, India is likely, in the not too distant future.
SA744 From South Africa, joined Nov 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11590 times:
I know that NZ1 said that South Africa was not a market that ANZ was looking into immediaetly but into the future maybe. So i dont know if that will happen now even tho it would be awesome,There have been rumours of NZ flying the JNB route for a couple of years now ,but the flight would be routed via MEL.
TonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9414 times:
SAA only flies to Perth from JNB? So if you are going on to SYD, then you would not have a Star Alliance airline? Right now to do JNB-SYD on Star Alliance you have to do SQ. It would be great to have NZ do a route through Australia east coast somewhere.
: Thats right but QF and SAA do have a codeshare arrangement in place on the JNB flights from both SYD and PER. I'd imagine they would have a schedule
: It is a market that is always being watched, but not feasible at this time. It is not happening for the time being. There are no aircraft currently su
: Yeah I reckon NZ could be very competitive on MEL-JNB route with QF doing SYD-JNB
: The downside of this schedule is it makes connections within New Zealand pretty much impossible. Of course if the local market is purely Aucklanders