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787 For VS?  
User currently offlineCtang From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5425 times:

Is there any chance VS will order the 87?

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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5416 times:

787 is too small for VS, my guess is more 388 and 350-10XWB.

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User currently offlineRobertmalpass From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5416 times:

Shouldn't think so. They're only ordering 346's at the moment and appear to be switching their existing LHR-744s to holiday routes at LGW, replacing them at LHR with 346s. Surely in view of crew certification, maintenance etc. they'd stick with Airbus? Perhaps if they were a bigger airline, with greater workforce etc, perhaps they'd buy some Boeings. I hope not, I love their 346s!

User currently offlineAutoThrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5332 times:

No way, VS want to be in long terms an all-Airbus Fleet as some articles say.  no 
Also imo they want bigger planes then the 787.
Comonality also plays a role. A380-A350XBW



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12508 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5269 times:
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Well, the VS "expert insiders" here told us to expect a VS twin order at Farnborough. I'm still waiting...

If a VS order for twins is indeed on the card, it will certainly be interesting.



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5226 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 4):
Well, the VS "expert insiders" here told us to expect a VS twin order at Farnborough. I'm still waiting...

If a VS order for twins is indeed on the card, it will certainly be interesting.

We've had definetly the 777 and definitely the A330 in the last few weeks - my money's on them taking the remaining A346s and A380s and then any expansions will be likely to be some A350XWBs - although if BA order the A380 VS will probably launch the 748I!  Big grin


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5025 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 4):
Well, the VS "expert insiders" here told us to expect a VS twin order at Farnborough. I'm still waiting...

VS have never made an announcement at Farnborough as far as I'm aware. There is too much competition for column inches from all the other things going on at the show. They were supposed to make a huge announcement last time round too, but didn't. They normally wait until things are quiet in the industry before announcing things, that way it is guaranteed to get exclusive column inches rather than being just one or 2 lines in a bigger article. VS know how to use the media to their advantage very well.

I'd guess they will order a twin at some stage, it is inevitable, but what they order remains to be seen. However the most of the 744's leases are due for renewal in the next few years or so, so they will need something that can replace them and that won't be the A346 as they cannot operate into the Carribbean airports VS use and there are no other 4 engined a/c out there at the moment that will be able to use those airports that will be available in the time frame VS would need them.

Watch this space.......

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User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5021 times:

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 6):
that won't be the A346 as they cannot operate into the Carribbean airports VS use

why is that...?



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

Scbriml

Where is the VS twin order ? Heard nothing at Farnborough.

How many twin frames they want ?

I guess an A350XWB order is in sight.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2679 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

VS and Boeing: no way!!!


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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

Although at some stage it will happen and a twin will be ordered it will be interesting to see what VS say when and if they do make an order......this is the airline that stated it would always fly aircraft with four engines, never two on its long haul routes.

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12508 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4751 times:
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Quoting FCKC (Reply 8):
Where is the VS twin order ? Heard nothing at Farnborough.

I don't know - I was pointing out that there was a huge amount of speculation in this forum before Farnborough, stating that VS would place a "shocking" order for twins.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

VS could order either the A350 or the B787-10. Price will play an important role in the decision and it remains to be seen which manufacturer will offer VS the better deal. I think there is a slightly better than 50/50 chance that VS will choose the A350, but that's highly speculative.

User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

Quoting BA380 (Reply 7):
why is that...?

Because the centre gear on the A346 does not steer, so it cannot make tight turns like the 744 can with its steerable centre bogies and most of the Carribbean airports require a/c to back track and turn round at the end of the runway, and the A346 cannot do that.

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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 6):
and there are no other 4 engined a/c out there at the moment that will be able to use those airports that will be available in the time frame VS

707, DC8? Big grin


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30921 posts, RR: 87
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4533 times:
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Never say never, but I imagine it would depend on how VS wishes to expand. If they want to serve smaller markets, then the A350 and 787 make sense.

Their premium cabins probably make a pretty penny for them, so the "penalties" of operating four-engined planes (744/A346) may not be such a drain on revenues that they feel they need to move to twins in the short-term.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4506 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 9):
VS and Boeing: no way!!!

Why is that? Is Branson pissed at Boeing for some reason?



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User currently offlineA340Driver From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 94 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4276 times:

Deal wasn't done in time but you will note "4 engines 4 long haul" being removed from the current fleet!

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Quoting A340Driver (Reply 17):

That´s no wonder, they start a big fleet of A320 for Virgin America, so I guess 4 engines 4 long haul rimes bad these days...

Micke/SWE  Smile



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 13):
Because the centre gear on the A346 does not steer, so it cannot make tight turns like the 744 can with its steerable centre bogies and most of the Carribbean airports require a/c to back track and turn round at the end of the runway, and the A346 cannot do that.

That is most curious, because I know the A346 can turn around at the end of the runway after backtracking. I've seen it happen here at SJO many times, when IB comes in with their A346s. Go to this site and search for IB's A346s at SJO. It's difficult to do this maneuver, I concede to that, but it isn't impossible and it can be done.

The only problem might be ramp space because of the large fuselage.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):
VS could order either the A350 or the B787-10.

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While VS might be leaning more towards Airbus (this being my impression), if Boeing does finally launch the 787-10, then the 787 overall isn't out of the picture yet.


User currently offlineTigerotor77W From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3764 times:

Maybe VS is the interest in the A340 Leahy has quoted?

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

Quoting Tigerotor77W (Reply 20):
Maybe VS is the interest in the A340 Leahy has quoted?

I don't think so as there was a quote from someone senior in VS that they probably wouldn't be ordering any more A346s due to the fuel consumption - I reckon on A350-1000s at some point.


User currently offlineA340Driver From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 94 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

Virgin Atlantic has no connection to Virgin America. Virgin Nigeria is run by Virgin Atlantic. "4 engines 4 long haul" would not apply to a US domestic carrier.

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 13):
Because the centre gear on the A346 does not steer, so it cannot make tight turns like the 744 can with its steerable centre bogies and most of the Carribbean airports require a/c to back track and turn round at the end of the runway, and the A346 cannot do that.

What about their A340-300s ?



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User currently offlineShowerOfSparks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 13):
Because the centre gear on the A346 does not steer, so it cannot make tight turns like the 744 can with its steerable centre bogies and most of the Carribbean airports require a/c to back track and turn round at the end of the runway, and the A346 cannot do that.

Since the center gear is not displaced ahead of or behind the other main gears there is no need for it to be steerable. On the 747 the body gear is behind the wing gear making it necessary for the body gear to be steerable. If there's a reason the A346 cannot turn on the end of the runway it is simply it's length.


25 Post contains images AutoThrust : You got it IMO VS will buy the A350 and lease seom A330 as a interim solution. With the A330 they could serve very well almost all routes with a very
26 Nudelhirsch : VS' fleet is not that big, so for them commonality is still a good thing. They can get 340s for a good deal, easily plug them into the fleet and have
27 Scouseflyer : 748s?
28 AirCanada014 : of all the posts on airliners.net most people believe VS will stick with 4 engines for longhauls. Don't forget some people wondering if VS will order
29 Orlando666 : all the marketing "4 engines 4 long haul" etc aside, seems VS likes to bulk-ship people about in economy, tightly packed, 'ala charter. so if they eve
30 Post contains images Columba : 787, A350, 747-8, 77-300ER as well as additional A340-600s and A380s all is possible. Sorry for being off-topic but as the pending LH order was broug
31 Post contains images Leezyjet : Not disputing what you say, but that was what I was told by someone at VS. I guess it depends too on the size of the turning circle available at each
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