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DL To Start ATL-STI And JFK-PUJ In Dec  
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 25
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6905 times:
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In addition to ATL-POS which was discussed here a few days ago, DL will also be starting new JFK-PUJ and ATL-STI service starting Dec 9. Both services will be daily, with an MD88 on JFK-PUJ and a 738 on ATL-STI.

Here's the official press release regarding the start of all 3 routes:

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/060724/102613.html

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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1881 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6864 times:
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I feel sorry for the load planners on that JFK-PUJ flights as our MD88's don't do so well weight wise.


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6841 times:
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they dont stand a chance!!!!!!!! we have a hard time on our 757s and 738s.........tring to get everything on there.


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6785 times:

December 9th is still 4.5 months away, if loads are promising by then DL will hopefully put a 738 on that route. Nonetheless, good to see these additional 2 routes. Can anyone actually still count all destinations served from ATL? I can't.

User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6770 times:

With all of DL's financial problems, how do they do it?? Expansion comes at a cost, and during this difficult period, they seem to have embarked upon an unprecedented level of worldwide expansion. Enlighten me.... Smile


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User currently offlineAirMailer From United States of America, joined May 2006, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6763 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 1):
I feel sorry for the load planners on that JFK-PUJ flights as our MD88's don't do so well weight wise.

I didn't even know that DL flies to PUJ in the first place.

I might just have to hop down there for a week this winter.


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6745 times:

It's really not that expensive to set up shop on one of these Carib airports. You pay some small fees. Lease some gate space. The airports make it feasible because the want and need the business. Labor is cheap.

As far as Delta's financials. They have some of the lowest cost in the industry and industry standard cash on hand for their size.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6733 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 4):
With all of DL's financial problems, how do they do it?? Expansion comes at a cost, and during this difficult period, they seem to have embarked upon an unprecedented level of worldwide expansion. Enlighten me....

Simple: Delta isn't actually expanding, they are just re-positioning their assets, read: planes. Most of the international expansion comes through cuts on domestic routes, and to a certain degree also through increased aircraft utilization, be it through shorter turn times, later/earlier additional flights in the day, or more read eyes. Of course, opening new international destinations means startup costs, but here DL has the advantage that they already are in a number markets that they now connect from a second hub (e.g. STI, ATH, SVO), or where they have Skyteam partners that can help them there (e.g. BUD, KBP), or where there is so much money potential that it would be stupid not to start a route (TLV, JNB).


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6716 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 2):
they dont stand a chance!!!!!!!! we have a hard time on our 757s and 738s.........tring to get everything on there.

Then the Mad Dog sounds perfect. AA flys a 757 on this same market already. DL will have to contend with less seats to fill if demand is an issue.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6660 times:
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Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 1):
I feel sorry for the load planners on that JFK-PUJ flights as our MD88's don't do so well weight wise.

Well, PUJ is also a very different market from SDQ and STI - it is not VFR-dependent and so would not necessarily get the usual "everything but the kitchen-sink" bags that are found often on SDQ and STI....


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6643 times:

Quoting Panamair (Thread starter):
Both services will be daily, with an MD88 on JFK-PUJ and a 738 on ATL-STI.

JFK-PUJ is not going to last at all. It is one thing to connect the dots, but do a little research first. JFK-PUJ is going to going out heavy with Cargo and full of low yielding Y class tickets. This reaks of disaster. Try a 763 and you may have a bit of success. This route is not going to last long with a MD-80. But then again what do the route planners in ATL know about the VFR between NYC and D.R.? IF CO couldnt make EWR-BGI work with a 73G/738 Delta is not going to make PUJ work with a MD88.

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 8):
Then the Mad Dog sounds perfect. AA flys a 757 on this same market already.

AA is also aware of the VFR factor in the market as well..  wink 

Quoting Panamair (Reply 9):
it is not VFR-dependent

Tell that to the daily VFR traffic that fills up JFK-PUJ at AA!

Quoting Panamair (Reply 9):
would not necessarily get the usual "everything but the kitchen-sink" bags that are found often on SDQ and STI....

Anything to D.R./P.R. form the NYC area goes out full with Cargo and hungry for yields. That is why AA operates so many 767, 300, 757 into the market.


User currently offlineBALAX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6625 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 10):
AA is also aware of the VFR factor in the market as well..

Quoting Panamair (Reply 9):
it is not VFR-dependent

Tell that to the daily VFR traffic that fills up JFK-PUJ at AA

Dude, the region has minimal population. Closest "bigger" town is Higuey which is about 45 min to 1 hour away. Don't think VFR plays a role in this route.


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6608 times:

Some posts are so wrong on so many levels that it's better to just walk on by and not look. Like a car wreck on the highway. You really can't help the person. He needs much more help than you can devote to him.

User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6608 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 10):
JFK-PUJ is not going to last at all. It is one thing to connect the dots, but do a little research first. JFK-PUJ is going to going out heavy with Cargo and full of low yielding Y class tickets. This reaks of disaster. Try a 763 and you may have a bit of success. This route is not going to last long with a MD-80. But then again what do the route planners in ATL know about the VFR between NYC and D.R.?

The DL "route planners" in ATL are some of the brightest individuals I've ever met, so stop insulting people you don't even know. I'm sure they've done more than a "little research"...

As for your suggestion that they try a 763 first...why would you put one of the largest aircraft in your fleet on to a new "low-yield" route? DL does not have 763s just laying around...they would have to pull it off a route that probably needs it to carry large loads of higher-yield traffic. Why not start a new low-yield route with the smallest mainline aircraft you have?

But then again what do the route planners in ATL know?


User currently offlineBALAX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6548 times:

This could also have to do with the rotating of airplanes. I believe ATL-PUJ is now operated by a MD-88, so it might make sense to planning.

User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6541 times:
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Quoting BALAX (Reply 14):
I believe ATL-PUJ is now operated by a MD-88,

ATL-PUJ will be upgraded to a 757 for the winter season though....

Quoting BALAX (Reply 11):
Dude, the region has minimal population. Closest "bigger" town is Higuey which is about 45 min to 1 hour away. Don't think VFR plays a role in this route.

That's what I thought...


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6502 times:

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 13):
The DL "route planners" in ATL are some of the brightest individuals I've ever met,

Yes, that is why they are in financial woes..

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 13):
As for your suggestion that they try a 763 first...why would you put one of the largest aircraft in your fleet on to a new "low-yield" route?

Ask Continental why EWR-BGI did not work..
Ask Jet Blue why JFK-SDQ did not work..

Quoting BALAX (Reply 14):
I believe ATL-PUJ is now operated by a MD-88, so it might make sense to planning.

ATL-PUJ is non VFR thusfore a MD88 is better fit. We invite you to visit the American Airlines terminal on any given day at JFK to view the lines with baggage that fill the 75's, A3's, and 76's to D.R. and P.R.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6474 times:

Hey MalpensaSFO (or Kahala777 or whatever your name is today) - you might want to re-read what you've written in previous threads:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2828681

Boy how your tune has changed. Did someone get access to your computer, or are we talking to one of your alternate personalities today?

Didn't your "unnamed" DL sales rep tip you off on these routes before they were made public?

From now on, could you just pass along your suggestions to your anonymous sales reps at DL and other various insiders that you are so buddy-buddy with and just leave the rest of us alone?


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6469 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 17):

He's been flip-flopping between his dual personalities quite a bit in recent months, so often that I sometimes think he has his period  Yeah sure  Wink . Best thing to do is just ignoring him.


User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6460 times:

There is no gate at PUJ just a hut  Smile

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2924 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6460 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 16):
We invite you to visit the American Airlines terminal on any given day at JFK to view the lines with baggage that fill the 75's, A3's, and 76's to D.R. and P.R.

While people watching in the terminal at MIA when these flights are checking in is always a treat (lots of duct tape), ATL will not have the same VFR group. It'll be those Southern dentists in Aloha shirts and flip flops with their preppy wives and 2.3 kids and Gucci rollerbags. Of course I am generalizing (so no offense anyone, please) but my point is that ATL-PUJ/SDQ etc. will pull a very different crowd than those in MIA.  Smile


User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6452 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 16):
Quoting LawnDart (Reply 13):
The DL "route planners" in ATL are some of the brightest individuals I've ever met,

Yes, that is why they are in financial woes..

If you think that DL's financial problems can be attributed to the route planners, you have very limited knowledge of the airline business, at least as far as DL is concerned. DL's financial problems stem from many various sources, but are mostly the direct result of Leo Mullin's crack team of corporate criminals.

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 16):
ATL-PUJ is non VFR thusfore a MD88 is better fit. We invite you to visit the American Airlines terminal on any given day at JFK to view the lines with baggage that fill the 75's, A3's, and 76's to D.R. and P.R.

ATK-PUJ is doing rather well, and for the winter season, it will be upgraded to a 757 for the additional capacity. JFK-PUJ will be launched as a new route against a competitor that has been entrenched in the Caribbean market for quite a while. Again, if you think DL route analysts should enter that market with one of their largest aircraft, you have very limited knowledge of the airline business. Let's see how it does first, and then maybe next year DL can upgrade it to a 757 (*DL does not operate very many flights to the Caribbean with anything larger than a 757).


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2997 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6417 times:

Random observation: DL will now fly from Atlanta to two Santiagos, in addition to two San Joses and two Manchesters. Must get confusing sometimes at check-in...  Smile


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32781 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6405 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 20):
Of course I am generalizing (so no offense anyone, please) but my point is that ATL-PUJ/SDQ etc. will pull a very different crowd than those in MIA.

Very little VFR on MIA-PUJ and very little tourist traffic in general on ATL-SDQ, which is mainly connecting VFR and business traffic, just like MIA/FLL/JFK-SDQ flights are.

The VFR markets to the Dominican Republic are SDQ, STI, and, to a lesser extent, POP. Not to say that there is no VFR on PUJ flights, there is some, but it isn't to the extent of SDQ/STI.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6384 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 22):
Random observation: DL will now fly from Atlanta to two Santiagos, in addition to two San Joses and two Manchesters. Must get confusing sometimes at check-in...

DL also serves two Portlands from ATL and even better THREE Columbuses:

Columbus, OH (CMH)
Columbus, GA (CSG)
Columbus, MS (GTR)


25 Post contains images DAL767400ER : And not to forget 2 Manchesters: Manchester, UK (MAN) Manchester, NH (MHT) Still waiting for DL to start service to BHX from ATL .
26 FoxBravo : Wow, good call! I also forgot about the two Albanys (GA and NY)...any others? I got those in my first post![Edited 2006-07-24 21:06:27]
27 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Damn, I need some new glasses. Nonetheless I stand by my comment that DL should serve BHX . Or at least to Frankfort, KY. Okay, the other one is writ
28 SESGDL : Two Charleston's, WV and SC, though a lot of US airlines do. Two Fayettevilles, AR and NC. Two Greenvilles, SC and MS. Two Jacksons, MS and WY(not se
29 DAL767400ER : Actually, DL does operate ATL-JAC nonstop, albeit only 3x weekly and only 7 out of 12 months.
30 FoxBravo : Very impressive!
31 PCEX : PUJ doesn't have that many cargo coming in and out. The only cargo that get there is on the belly and it is limited. The airport is for tourist and do
32 BALAX : Don't think of the D.R. as a small nation guy. Though a very populated island, only the big cities play a role in VFR traffic, hence STI and SDQ rece
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