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User currently offlineErikgnoha From Venezuela, joined Jun 2006, 214 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Hello everyone, I have a question regarding Conviasa's fleet. They have acquired a couple of ATR-42, so are they going to face out their Dash 7? I was checking the flight schedules and the flights that were operated with the Dash are now being operated with the ATR. Are they receiving any more ATR-42??

Also, what happened with the 767-300 they bought to United?


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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2004 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Hola !

I can not see that they changed all DH7 routes to ATR. If you e.g. check PZO-PMV then you will find the DH7. I think this aircraft(s) will remain based in Porlamar (PMV) and the ATR in CCS.

I think nobody knows about the 767, not even themselves  Wink.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

They have a 733 and an A340-211. Its supposed to begin flts to MAD. If anyone has the ex UA 763 Reg, enter it in @ airfleets.net

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Quoting Erikgnoha (Thread starter):
Also, what happened with the 767-300 they bought to United?

People running the aviation industry in Venezuela think that the 767 is a prototype... still stuck in the 70s.
 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineFMAL From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Out of curiosity. How's the bridge connecting CCS to the city? Is that problem sorted out?

User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1427 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

I thought the A340 was rejected and sent back to the owner...even after it was painted and everything. I am really waiting for them to add a long-haul plane soon so they can start flights to Europe.


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User currently offlineErikgnoha From Venezuela, joined Jun 2006, 214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 1):
If you e.g. check PZO-PMV then you will find the DH7

I have checked just now and it shows ATR42-400.
Quoting Chiguire (Reply 1):
I think nobody knows about the 767, not even themselves

This is really sad!!

Quoting FMAL (Reply 4):
How's the bridge connecting CCS to the city? Is that problem sorted out?

The bridge is still down, the goverment expects to build a new one in 14 months. Let's see. However, there is a bypass road that does the job, although the traffic jam is sometimes a headache.

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 5):
I thought the A340 was rejected and sent back to the owner...even after it was painted and everything. I am really waiting for them to add a long-haul plane soon so they can start flights to Europe.

I believe this plane is stored in Orly and it will enter into service in september with Conviasa. That is what i've heard.

[Edited 2006-07-24 21:35:15]


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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3811 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Just out of curiosity, isn't it quite a risky gamble to begin longhaul operations with just one plane and no backup? What if it goes tech?

Soren  santahat 



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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2004 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 6):
I have checked just now and it shows ATR42-400.

You are right, that's what the website shows. But they have still only received two ATR. And for what they show there they need 4. So the DH7 must still be in service. At least until they have more ATRs.
And I guess they need to keep the DH7 as they fly to Los Roques. An I think the runway is too short for the ATR42.

Apart of that I don't trust that site. They only show 737-300 to everywhere. But they operate with only 2 of them - and two 737-200.
And if you say "ver todos los itinerarios" it doesn't show the BOG flight. If you ask de Caracas a Bogota it says "no hubo resultados".
So did they stop Bogot� ? Just as they did stop CCS-POS ?

What an "airline" !


User currently offlineFMAL From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 6):

Thanks!


User currently offlineErikgnoha From Venezuela, joined Jun 2006, 214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 8):
You are right, that's what the website shows. But they have still only received two ATR. And for what they show there they need 4. So the DH7 must still be in service. At least until they have more ATRs.

That is what I thought. They need more ATRs.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 8):
So did they stop Bogot� ? Just as they did stop CCS-POS ?

There is always a big mistery regarding this airline. The BOG-CCS route is very competitive and even though they offered great fares they dont offer connections.

Quoting FMAL (Reply 9):
Thanks!

You are welcome!



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 8):
So did they stop Bogot� ? Just as they did stop CCS-POS ?

The last Conviasa schedule approved by local aviation authorities shows a decrased operation of only 6 weekly flights, over the daily service they had mantained throughout several months.

This intinerary was valid for the month of May. However, according to official statistics, Conviasa barely carried over 500 passengers on the CCS-BOG-CCS market during the whole month, which indicates that they were probably operating just a handfull of flights by then.

Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 10):
The BOG-CCS route is very competitive and even though they offered great fares they dont offer connections.

Very true. BOG-CCS-BOG is a pretty complex market. Both routes move lots of people, but they have plenty of seat-offer as well.

Conviasa offered killer fares, and yet they were never able to fill the plane, not even in high-season. Avianca, who are easily the most expensive option, still continues to lead the market in load per flight; Avianca does however carry a considerable amount of connecting passengers that do not stop in BOG. Caracas is Avianca's second most active international station in number of passengers and flights.


SOUTHAMERICA

[Edited 2006-07-24 23:38:14]

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

I confirm the A340 in FULL Conviasa cs (No trace of YV-... reg ) is stored in the Air France maintenance aerea at Orly , and will be delivered in September.
It is NOT ntu.

The 767-322ER N650UA (Ex UA) which was supposed to go to Conviasa as YV-1006C , is stored at Marana in FULL United cs.


User currently offlineErikgnoha From Venezuela, joined Jun 2006, 214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 11):
Avianca, who are easily the most expensive option, still continues to lead the market in load per flight; Avianca does however carry a considerable amount of connecting passengers that do not stop in BOG

This is very true. I had to go to Bogota last year and I chose Avianca in a sec. The flights could'nt be better. How is VH doing in the CCS-BOG and CCS-MDE route?

Quoting FCKC (Reply 12):
I confirm the A340 in FULL Conviasa cs (No trace of YV-... reg ) is stored in the Air France maintenance aerea at Orly , and will be delivered in September.

Thank you for the information!



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 13):
How is VH doing in the CCS-BOG and CCS-MDE route?

Pretty mediocre loads during low-season, but that's nothing new for Aeropostal on its Bogota route. In high-season loads usually pick-up for them, but almost never reach anything above 60%.

The Caracas-Medellin route is very new. Loads during the first two months of operations were literally terrible; though Aeropostal was probably prepared for it. There are no high-season results yet, but it's natural to see the route picking-up, as it is slowly building up popularity. I believe Aeropostal has been a bit sleepy when it comes to advertising their CCS-MDE service. They must not know how picky and traditionalist people here is.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

I saw it in Airways mag, page 3, of the sept edition. It says:

State owned Conviasa propses to use a Airbus A340-211 for services between CCS and MAD starting in Sept. The photo was taken at ORY by Jaques Gullem. Looks good in their colors if you ask me.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineErikgnoha From Venezuela, joined Jun 2006, 214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 14):
Pretty mediocre loads during low-season, but that's nothing new for Aeropostal on its Bogota route. In high-season loads usually pick-up for them, but almost never reach anything above 60%.

Ok, and how do they manage to keep this route working if they have little feed compare with Avianca and the service is not the same? Why dont VH keep only one flight, the one with connection alternative?



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 16):
Ok, and how do they manage to keep this route working if they have little feed compare with Avianca and the service is not the same?

There's precisely the proof that loads are just one of many pieces in the puzzle of making a route profitable. We don't know for sure if Aeropostal makes good money with this route, or if they just manage to break-even with marginal profits, but there must be a good reason that's been keeping them flying to BOG for several years in a row.

Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 16):
Why dont VH keep only one flight, the one with connection alternative?

One flight is not enough to cater for business passengers, who need frequencies and flexibility over anything else. With one single flight they would have higher-loads, but the valuable front seats would probably go empty anyways.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1892 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Guys, I have breaking news on the 767:

One friend of mine told me that last Friday he saw a white 767 being cattered and serviced by Conviasa equipment and staff down at CCS. He told me that it was the 763 we were all expecting since one reliable source from him assured it!
Any news on that? Could it be the 763 we're talking about???

So, ss far as I'm concerned, by sighted-evidence, they have at least 5 737s: two of them 300s and three of them 200s with mexican registration (at least two of them.); two Dash 7s and one operating ATR. I've seen all of them.

I just came back from PMV, and saw the ATR three times and two different 737s, one -300 and the other one -200.

Conviasa is having a good moment, I hope they can take advantage of it.

Quoting FMAL (Reply 4):
Out of curiosity. How's the bridge connecting CCS to the city? Is that problem sorted out?

That situation couldn't be worse. It took me three hours and a half to cross the alternate way that was made after the bridge fell. Traffic is a living-nightmare and if you want to catch your international flight, you have to leave home at least 6 hours prior your flight (before, it was just four hours tops). It's very bad and the immage that's being caused to tourists is not the right one. Need help, contact me.

Cheers



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User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 14):
The Caracas-Medellin route is very new. Loads during the first two months of operations were literally terrible; though Aeropostal was probably prepared for it. There are no high-season results yet, but it's natural to see the route picking-up, as it is slowly building up popularity. I believe Aeropostal has been a bit sleepy when it comes to advertising their CCS-MDE service. They must not know how picky and traditionalist people here is.

VH's averages very very low and alarming loads in this flight. I doubt it can be sustainable for more than 2 more months. I agree with SA that the lack of advertising is one of its biggest's flaws.

VH is going down a very dangerous road. I wouldn't be surprised if the airline dies before years' end.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2004 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Quoting 797 (Reply 18):
Conviasa is having a good moment, I hope they can take advantage of it.

What do you mean by a good moment ? Must have been "Tue Jul 25 2006 04:47:18 UTC+2"  Wink.
I have missed it !

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 19):
VH's averages very very low and alarming loads in this flight. I doubt it can be sustainable for more than 2 more months. I agree with SA that the lack of advertising is one of its biggest's flaws.

Loads are indeed alarming on some routes. Amadeus has blocked VH - not difficult to guess, but probably due to some "minor" open invoices.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 19):

VH is going down a very dangerous road. I wouldn't be surprised if the airline dies before years' end.

If it goes on like this and Mr. Ramiz doesn't save the airline by injecting some new cash it's soon over I guess.
How can an airline survive in taking reservations by phone or via internet ? (VH is no LCC and distribution is still bases on agents sales).


User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1870 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

Quoting 797 (Reply 18):
One friend of mine told me that last Friday he saw a white 767 being cattered and serviced by Conviasa equipment and staff down at CCS. He told me that it was the 763 we were all expecting since one reliable source from him assured it! Any news on that? Could it be the 763 we're talking about???

Is it not a "new" B767 for Santa Barbara?

Quoting 797 (Reply 18):
So, ss far as I'm concerned, by sighted-evidence, they have at least 5 737s: two of them 300s and three of them 200s with mexican registration (at least two of them.); two Dash 7s and one operating ATR. I've seen all of them.

One of the two B737-300 (YV-1178C) is at SXF. I think this plane was retourned to the lessor.

See also: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=CVA&al_op=1 (sorry, we havent the DHC-7 yet in our lists)


User currently offlineErikgnoha From Venezuela, joined Jun 2006, 214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1994 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 21):
Is it not a "new" B767 for Santa Barbara?

Yes, I think it is a 767-300 for S3. If you check this link you will realize that they are getting a 767-300 from Icelandair (wet leased) and a 767-300 that it used to serve LAB routes. Please select Santa Barbara Airlines:

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php



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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2004 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 22):
Yes, I think it is a 767-300 for S3.

So the mystery about the Conviasa 767 goes on.....


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1892 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 20):
What do you mean by a good moment ?

Well Chiguire, I know for sure that most Conviasa flights are full and the airline's popularity has risen a lot. Here I've heard many people talking about their 'good pricing' and 'superb service' which is something I've experienced in the past. Moreover, their crew is famous for being friendly and good-looking, and that has caught attention. I think that the immage their developing is the correct one despite their link with the government. I think that in the end, the service and their way of managing the business is what really matters, taking apart the bias we have against them for being son of this dirty government.

Quoting Viasa (Reply 21):
Is it not a "new" B767 for Santa Barbara?

That's what I told my friend when he called me. I quickly assumed that it was the Santa Barbara 767 as I asked my friend if the AirPlus A310 was there, and effectively it wasn't... so I found hard to believe that it was a potential Conviasa 763.

Cheers



Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous!
25 Erikgnoha : Totally agree.
26 Avianca : well it least they offered some very good fares on the nonstop flight at the beginning 199 USD return.... my mother in law used the flight 2 month's
27 Viasa : The Air Plus Comet A310 (EC-IPT) must be back with A7. I've see new pictures of this aircraft at FRA - so this was NOT an S3 flight.
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