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Delta Evacuates Americans From Lebanon  
User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

From the Delta News Network:


Delta evacuated 160 Americans from Cyprus Saturday in an effort to help the U.S. State Department remove thousands from the ongoing violence in Lebanon. A Delta volunteer team boarded a Boeing 767 that included CEO Jerry Grinstein, Joe Kolshak, e.v.p.-Operations, Tony Charaf, s.v.p.-TechOps, and Gary Beck, s.v.p.-Flight Ops.

“You know Delta people. It’s in their DNA to respond, and they responded,” said Grinstein, who gave the green light to the relief operation. Within 10 hours of the State Department request, we had arranged for the aircraft and crew to depart, he said. Volunteers in the air and on the ground helped make the effort possible. "As always, the spirit of Delta people really came through in this effort. It was awesome,” said Charaf, who helped arrange for medical personnel to meet the flight and provide any assistance necessary. The plane, carrying the group of 105 adults and 55 children, left Larnaca, Cyprus, and arrived in Atlanta at midnight Saturday, where they were greeted by family, friends and more Delta volunteers.

“We are very happy to be here, and thanks to the Delta flight we were able to evacuate faster,” said Josiane Gemayel, after her arrival in Atlanta. Delta offered the Atlanta group special 50% discount fares for continued travel in the United States, Canada, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands. More than half the group is booked for continuing travel Monday or Tuesday. Delta provided the same offer last week for citizens who returned to Baltimore-Washington on other carriers. There are no immediate plans for additional relief flights, but Delta will help again if asked by the State Department, Grinstein said.
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Is anyone else aware of other airlines flying to Cyprus to assist in evacuations, much like the CRAF flying, although this was done purely by volunteer crews?


OttoPylit

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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

I am impressed that they had a volunteer group. That shows that there is still plenty of spirit and good will at a company going through a hard time. Doing work like that is not only uplifting for those involved, but for everyone working at the company. It isn't very often that we hear good stories from airlines nowadays.


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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5724 times:
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Quoting OttoPylit (Thread starter):
Is anyone else aware of other airlines flying to Cyprus to assist in evacuations, much like the CRAF flying, although this was done purely by volunteer crews?

I believe Omni and ATA were flying evacuation flights to BWI last week. Does anyone know whether those were done on a voluntary (or token $1 as in the DL case) basis or did State contract for those?


User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 747 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5717 times:

Thanks Otto for the update dude...hope you are well.....

I would have given my right nut to help out with those flights....I got excited when I heard about the LCA flights on another thread

Andrew
JFK/MEM/MCI



..uh, we'll need that to live......
User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5628 times:

More from AP...way to go Delta!

Delta takes 160 Lebanon evacuees from Cyprus to Atlanta
Associated Press

July 23, 2006

ATLANTA - A plane carrying 160 evacuees from Lebanon landed at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport just after midnight Sunday.

Delta Air Lines Inc. operated the specially chartered 767 wide-body aircraft from Cyprus as part the U.S. State Department's mass evacuation of U.S. citizens from Lebanon.

So far about 7,500 Americans have been evacuated from Lebanon since Israel began its offensive in reponse to the capture of two Israeli soldiers July 12 in a cross-border attack by Lebanon-based Hezbollah guerrillas. U.S. officials estimate about 25,000 Americans are in Lebanon.

Dina Sleiman of Virginia Beach, Va., was visiting her husband's family in Lebanon when the fighting began. Sleiman and her family - her husband, Dani, and three children, ages three to 11 - fled from Saida to the north of Beirut and spent two days on a bridge with hundreds of other people hoping to get on a U.S. military ship to Cyprus.

"I am so glad to be home," Sleiman said by phone from the airport. "We were in a safe area, but they kept talking about things escalating."

Delta CEO Gerald Grinstein, who was on the 14-hour flight from Cyprus, said the company is ready to fly more evacuees to the United States if the U.S. State Department needs more help.

"This is part of the Delta DNA," Grinstein said.

The flight cost the U.S. government $1 and was no charge to the passengers, who were offered complimentary hotel accommodations for up to 48 hours in Atlanta in partnership with Intercontinental Hotels Group. The Atlanta-based Delta will offer passengers specially discounted travel to their final destinations in the United States, Canada, Puerto Rico or U.S. Virgin Islands.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5599 times:

Cool, Welcome back DL. Keep up the good work and introduce meals like CO.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineJDJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 28 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5417 times:

was the fuel bill picked up by the government + $1 ? Does anyone know if OMNI and ATA charged the gov't for this service?

User currently offlineBEYauty From Lebanon, joined Aug 2005, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

Why did they only pick up 160 pax. Couldn't the 767 carry more? Also, does anyone know if they went direct from LCA? If so, does the 767 have the range to do it

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5316 times:

Quoting BEYauty (Reply 7):
Why did they only pick up 160 pax. Couldn't the 767 carry more?

Perhaps there weren't more? I have seen quite a few reports on ferries that were planned to pick up 500 people in Lebanon, but only 300 arrived, while the others could not get out. Of course, it could also be that there were medics and psychatrists on board from the US to help the people.

Regardless, well done Delta.


User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

Quoting JDJ (Reply 6):
was the fuel bill picked up by the government + $1 ? Does anyone know if OMNI and ATA charged the gov't for this service?

Sure the goverment paid. Nothing is free in this world...


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5271 times:

Quoting JDJ (Reply 6):
Does anyone know if OMNI and ATA charged the gov't for this service?

I highly doubt that OMNI and ATA aren't getting paid. They operate a lot of services for the government and are two of the biggest charter companies. Additionally I believe World and Ryan are operating services.

Delta operated a single flight to show support, but ATA has operated many 757s. Delta's part was more to show that the company cared and wanted to help out. They can't afford to be sending 767s to Cyprus for free, especially when the fleet is pretty close to maxed out in the summer high season. The charter airlines typically have fleets of 757s sitting around that get pretty low utilization. It is common to see 2-5 Ryan planes sitting on the ground at RFD waiting for work.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5237 times:

This flight did operate nonstop from LCA to ATL, nearly 13 hours in the air. Perhaps DL used it to showcase the range of its 767s in some of its route applications. 13 hours of flying time puts a huge chunk of the world in range of DL’s JFK and ATL hubs.

User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 547 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5237 times:

The article says "the spirit of Delta people". I know that this is far fetched, but could have they been flying the Spirit of Delta. I know that the 762 is retired, but I thought it was retired from Delta regular service, but being kept flyable.

Could that explain the 160 number? Instead of the normal 763 amount?


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5212 times:
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Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 12):
The article says "the spirit of Delta people". I know that this is far fetched, but could have they been flying the Spirit of Delta. I know that the 762 is retired, but I thought it was retired from Delta regular service, but being kept flyable.

No, Ship 102 is in the musuem and the interior has been re-done with exhibits, etc. BTW, the 762 used to seat a total of 204 pax, very close to the 763's capacity of 209 seats (with crew rest seats taken) or 214 seats (if crew rest seats were made available for sale). Besides, ship 102 would not have had the legs to do LCA-ATL nonstop!


User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5172 times:
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Glad to hear Delta had sent one 767 to Larnaca to help with the evacuation.
However, they are hardly the only ones. ATA, World and others, which are not mentioned are doing the bulk of the work. I think they deserve to be researched and praised.
As for other non-US airlines, Air France for one, started on the 18 July with a 743, and at the present time doing two trips a day with 743s and 773s either from Larnaca or Paphos. The outgoing flights carry medical supplies and aid goods for the people in Lebanon, along with some NGOs' teams. Stretchers are pre-mounted, along with O2 equipment for medical needs of the refugees.
Credit where it's due, too.

Regards.



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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5049 times:
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Quoting Panamair (Reply 13):
No, Ship 102 is in the musuem and the interior has been re-done with exhibits, etc.

I do not think 102 was stored in flyable condition ... maybe it could be made so with some work, but walking around it during the pull in ceremony, you could see cables hanging loose up inside the wheel wells, and mount points were "gizmos" that would connect to them used to be ...

Word I had from some of the MX people I talked to @ the ceremony was they had to strip it pretty good to get the BK people to release it to the museum (it IS, after all, worth a fairly good chunk of change) ...

It was also unpowered during the pullin movement; when the crew went onboard to wave the flag during the pull, the door was unpowered, and no lights came on in the cockpit, not even the map light. It also had no strobes running.

That being said - it's in one piece, which means there's always hope in the future they may restore it to flying condition.

Just 'cause it has museum exhibits inside doesn't mean it can't take 'em with if it flies to an airshow or something ...  Smile

(we can but hope)

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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

that makes two airlines helping out the evacuations Air Canada and Delta  Smile
Both airlines continue to support the struggles out there. Its nice to see AC helping the government although AC usually volunteer the help like they did with Tsunami in Indonesia, Hurricane Katrina and mudslides in Central America can't remember where?..


User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 4837 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 11):
This flight did operate nonstop from LCA to ATL, nearly 13 hours in the air. Perhaps DL used it to showcase the range of its 767s in some of its route applications. 13 hours of flying time puts a huge chunk of the world in range of DL’s JFK and ATL hubs.

No, DL did it to get stranded travelers out of LCA. They have been operating the ER since 1990. They don't need to "showcase" it.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 10):
Delta operated a single flight to show support, but ATA has operated many 757s. Delta's part was more to show that the company cared and wanted to help out. They can't afford to be sending 767s to Cyprus for free, especially when the fleet is pretty close to maxed out in the summer high season. The charter airlines typically have fleets of 757s sitting around that get pretty low utilization. It is common to see 2-5 Ryan planes sitting on the ground at RFD waiting for work.

That's a backhanded compliment if I have ever seen one...


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 4814 times:

The Spirit of Delta and its 762 stablemates were domestic aircraft in a 2 class domestic configuration. The aircraft that flew the route from LCA was a 763-300ER configured with a Business Elite forward cabin which takes up a lot of real estate. The real comparative statistic is not that the 762 and 763ER have similar numbers of seats but that a 763ER for DL has about 40 less seats in an int'l vs. a domestic configuration.

Of course DL wanted to help out the Lebanese people. However, no US airline currently operates a 767 on a route that long. I'm not doubting DL's first motives but I also know that there are secondary motives in just about everything people and organizations do. As an airline that wants to be even more global, it doesn't hurt to pull together a flight in a few hours notice and fly it on a route longer than any other operated by any US airline for the type. Grinstein's own comment was that "DL responds to crises very well."

[Edited 2006-07-25 05:18:58]

User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 4795 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 18):
Of course DL wanted to help out the Lebanese people. However, no US airline currently operates a 767 on a route that long. I'm not doubting DL's first motives but I also know that there are secondary motives in just about everything people and organizations do. As an airline that wants to be even more global, it doesn't hurt to pull together a flight in a few hours notice and fly it on a route longer than any other operated by any US airline for the type. Grinstein's own comment was that "DL responds to crises very well."

I understand what you are saying, but airlines don't need to do "proving runs" or "showcase" their airplanes. The airline is already global, and the proof is in the pudding as they operate the largest network to Europe from the US daily. The airplane is designed to do a route like that, so nothing shocking there. Also, DL evacuated Americans home according to the news stories.

Grinstein is right. DL was the FIRST airline into MSY after Katrina. They took a 757 in, unsolicited, to drop off blankets, generators, etc. Joe Kolshak and the VP of Safety I think (don't know his name) IIRC from the stories on the news flew the airplane, and Grinsteain went along. When they got there they saw how deplorable the conditions were, loaded up the airplane with as many people they could fit, flew them to ATL, and put them up in hotels and had the Red Cross donate clothes, etc. DL they gave them free airfare anywhere they fly to be with family.


User currently offlineFA4AF From France, joined Jan 2001, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

Hi all! I just returned from one such flight. We flew a 747-300 formerly assigned to the French overseas destinations (507 seater). The aircraft is flying twice each way on monday, wednesday and friday, replaced the other days of the week by a 747-400, in addition to the daily 777. I am a Purser and member of the Air France volunteer crisis group, other crew members were not necessarily volunteers, but they were originally assigned to a Beyrouth flight and were more than willing to help. In Larnaca, ground operations were handled by AF volunteers normally operating at European airports such as Stuttgart or Stockholm. All in all quite a change from our normal operations, but well worth the effort, if you consider most people had been travelling 48 hours in hope of flying out of Lebanon. Well done Air France.

User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 8):
Perhaps there weren't more?

I wish. There are too many for the aircraft here to handle actually.

Quoting OttoPylit (Thread starter):
Is anyone else aware of other airlines flying to Cyprus to assist in evacuations

World, ATA, Omni, Titan, ThomasCook just to name a few. Most of the Omni and ATA birds are 757s, World has been all MD-11 and up to now has flown the most people out of Cyprus.

The whole thing thus far has been hectic to say the least, and the people just want to move, they're tired of sitting, tired of waiting.
Most of them have been very thankful for what we are doing, though sometimes when there are 5000 people in a terminal, they get quite a bit upset, but then again, so would I.

As far as the press release, its a little late. I've been cranking flights out since the middle of last week.


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4052 times:

Nothing beats WO out of Da Nang, thats probably still the best mercy flight in my memory, the packed 727-100 with 300+ people and several falling out of the cargo bins.


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User currently offlineTyphaerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 619 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3682 times:
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Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 16):
that makes two airlines helping out the evacuations Air Canada and Delta

 Smile Makes a couple more than just two.

I know that ATA has had three 753 and two 752 commited to that operation for most of last week and the weekend. They had been hired by the state departments of four different countries to perform those flights, mostly out of LCA to SNN to BWI, though a bunch of them went to other final desitnations from SNN. As of right now, we have a pair of 752s in theater and 1 753, the rest have been converted to MAC Service.

Congrats to all of the airlines who have mobilized to help the displaced. The depth of caring as shown by everyone involved, regardless of geopolitical ties, is heartwarming to say the least.

Reminds me a lot of the Katrina airlift. A lot of heart and some good ole volunteer elbow grease and the job gets done.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

Compassion, like safety, is not something that airlines should or do compete on. Every airline that participates in the Lebanon crisis does so because it recognizes its responsibility to its citizens and to the world.

Posit,
Remember that some of the choicest air routes in the world were handed out by the US government after WWII to airlines that supported the US government during that conflict. While hardly of the same scale, this conflict does provide the opportunity for airlines to showcase their capabilities and to provide the evidence to show that some airlines can fly more and further than they do know, including to countries which currently have limited or no service by US carriers.


25 Post contains images Emirates2005 : Emirates did some extra flights to the area to evacuate people, however I do not have any more information in regards to airports used, cost of fare e
26 Post contains images CO7e7 : I don't agree with you. Delta did it for good cause not to test the range of thei 767. Well done Delta!
27 Post contains links Highflier92660 : For mercy flights, it would be difficult to top the late World Airways Ed Daly "packing heat" at the B-727 entrance door as the crowd rushed the last
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