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User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6561 times:

I was wondering again.

After Delta broke out the new uniforms I cant help but think how wonderful they are(some still just can't look nice in whatever they wear). In my opinion they have the BEST uniforms of any U.S carrier. Having something to wear everyday that looks great and also spells professionalism can make a person feel good. Now I know the last thing on some Airlines minds are uniforms for employees. But AA and CO really need a change. The alternate dresses for the female crews of both Airlines are just Godawful and I cant believe some of them wear it. United I thought had the best untill now, I think they need something new but those Uniforms are what only 6 years old?

Who gets to decide what type of Uniforms the staff/crew gets? Do employees have any say? Also the contemporary trend seems to be well known fashion designers. Question for the crew: whats more important? Having something to wear that allows you to be able to do you job most effectively or fashion? Would you like your Airline to follow the rend set by BA, DL, or even KE?

In general, how do you feel about women who wear high heels while on the job as a F/A? I just wonder because anything can happen where they may need to run and their heels could break then would have to remove their shoes and be safety coordinators with no foot protection. Could an Airline get away with mandating Female crew wear certain shoes with restrictions on the height of the heel?

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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6532 times:

CO has had their uniform since 1990 or so. I personally like it. It wears well and fits fine. I just wish (much to the chagrin of my co-workers) the men had hats (similar to the pilots).

On a side note, how many uniforms has DL had in the past years? It seems like 2 or three.

Before TW went out, wasn't their uniform from 1975 or so?



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9464 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6521 times:

I think a fashionable uniform for flight attendants adds a bit of class. I like how many of the European Airlines have uniforms that show a bit of style and sophistication. Many of the uniforms worn by flight attendants in the United States are very boring. I wouldn't be proud to wear them. Of course many US airlines would never go to the expense of tailoring uniforms, but they look so much better that way.

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Could an Airline get away with mandating Female crew wear certain shoes with restrictions on the height of the heel?

I've noticed that it is the opposite. I've spoken with a number of female flight attendants that wear only the required heals when on the ground and switch to flat shoes in the air. I've noticed this more from NRT based crews for United. From what I understand, the Japanese women hate the heals and will take them off as soon as they are allowed to.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
In general, how do you feel about women who wear high heels while on the job as a F/A? I just wonder because anything can happen where they may need to run and their heels could break then would have to remove their shoes and be safety coordinators with no foot protection. Could an Airline get away with mandating Female crew wear certain shoes with restrictions on the height of the heel?

As you know SWA is different in this, they don't wear officila unfiroms, its a colored dark blue shirt or vest (depend on your gender) with a WN logo or name, its different, they have choices, and men usually wear tennis shoes as do the woman, some of the more senior F/A I have seen wear complete flat heel dress shoes if they were a suit with their WN uniform. All depends really.

Whiel looks are something to few people, I dont really care, i want them to be comfortable so when they are comfortable they feel happier and will eb kinder to us and also safety wise, if its more effective to run in shoes, then god damn wear those shoes!

Alex



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User currently offlineGraham697 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6366 times:

US Airways is in a desperate need of some flare, but I understand with their new ways that this is not a major cost to them. Although, if you are trying to build a new image as US Airways is; this is the most direct 'cheaper' change versus say a new Cabin.


Looking forward to the new AA
User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6329 times:

Quoting Graham697 (Reply 4):
US Airways is in a desperate need of some flare, but I understand with their new ways that this is not a major cost to them. Although, if you are trying to build a new image as US Airways is; this is the most direct 'cheaper' change versus say a new Cabin.

They are in progress....should be ready by early next year from what we hear. They hired a designer to do it, with LOTS of input from employees, which is great. Can't wait to see what they look like!


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13478 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6259 times:
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CO's uniforms are just fine. They don't need to be changed. They're classy, businesslike, and appealing.


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User currently offlineGlobalDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6196 times:

Continentals are very dated and nothing matches and the quality is horrible. They need to ditch the pleats in everything, get rid of all of the gold buttons, multiple prints that are all bad, cheap stripe shirts, floppy female neckware, have a skirt that is actually wearable without costly alterations, female inspired blazers, and no more double breasted coats for the men, design a decent quality tie and limit the amount of prints available lets not even mention the domestic shorts and bring the uniform out of the late 80's....i know almost no on who likes it or finds it comfortable....wool-like coats are the only thing that should stay.

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6162 times:

Quoting GlobalDude (Reply 7):
wool-like coats are the only thing that should stay.

That's the one thing I hate about the uniform. What a crappy coat. I never wear mine.



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User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6152 times:

I personally like the US carriers uniforms. Some are nicer than others, but none are really ugly.

I like the women's dresses because they can wear them no matter what size they are. A female FA with a nice figure sure looks awesome in a dress, while a "bigger" lady doesn´t look that bad either. Most bigger women definitely look better in a dress than in pants or skirt and blouse, vest and jacket.

Also they´re very practical and look both feminine and uniform-like.

And while talking about European carriers, in my opinion BA used to have the ugliest uniforms in the past. The last uniform collection worn before the current one was ugly as hell. The current one is okay, but nothing special either. But sure better than all past BA uniform collections.

Our LH uniforms aren´t that nice also. If it wasn´t for the yellow ties and women's scarfs it would be a nice uniform, but the yellow makes it ugly. The men basically look the same for the past 50 years!!! How boring!!! Mine doesn´t fit well either! Potato sack!

I like the US carriers uniforms best!

AA´s, UA´s, CO´s uniforms are really nice. I also liked UA´s pre 9/11 uniform.

NW´s uniform is not as nice as the other ones but I like it. Aren´t they about to change it as well? Somebody told me they wanted to change it, but I thought he might have been confused and was actually talking about DL´s new uniform.

US has the most boring uniform as of right now, but it still is okay. Just boring, not ugly!

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
On a side note, how many uniforms has DL had in the past years? It seems like 2 or three.

With the current new uniform, they had three since 1990.

DL had one uniform collection throughout the 1990´s. Basically navy pants, skirts, waistcoats and jackets but also with the option of the same basic parts in grey. Women had the option of white or dark blue blouses of different design, and navy long or short-sleeved buttoned dresses! This was DL´s uniform I liked best! Style and class! Many options but still everything that could be combined looked like a DL uniform.

Late 2000 they came out with the casual-like grey uniform with the blue shirts and blouses and the grey women's dresses. When I first saw it I was kind of shocked I admit! It was such a stark contrast to the 90´s uniform. But after a while I thought they were okay, even though I know how much all my friends at DL hated the uniform. I thought at least ít´s something different. But I never got over the fact that they´ve changed the uniform wings. The pair of golden DL wings worn on jackets and vests looked so (DL) distinguished!
I wondered how the new wings were allowed onboard post 9/11! They look so sharp it seems like you can kill someone with them!

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
Before TW went out, wasn't their uniform from 1975 or so?

TWA`s uniform was a 1979 Ralph Lauren collection. And was basically the same until 2001. The uniform was slightly modified a few times over the years. Like the pants, skirts and jackets cut.
In the months before TWA ceased operations they were in the process of getting a new uniform. I remember the last time I flew TWA (in march 2001) some FA´s already wore different dresses without any stripes on the sleeves and golden buttons, the wings were changed from silver to gold and some wore jackets with blue stripes on the sleeves instead of the reed/maroon ones.
I don´t think the process of changing the uniforms was ever completed before TWA finally came to an end. Any TWA people out there with detailed information about this?

Best regards

L1011Lover


User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5950 times:

DL´s 1990´s uniform collection:

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the grey basics
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Delta´s original golden wings


DL´s uniform collection from late 2000 until May 2006:

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Best regards

L1011Lover


User currently offlineExRUAgentatDAL From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5938 times:

Wow... that woman can get into the same pose everytime she changes uniforms..... thats dedication.  Wink  Silly

Chris



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User currently offlineLudavid777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5828 times:

I think CO's uniform is the most classy. It commands a sense of respect and authority. I love the male aviator shirts and that shirt-like jacket the females wear the the gold stripe on the sleeve. The gold buttons and stripe on the blazer pulls its all together and creates a uniform of timeless elegance. This uniform can be worn in 1990 or in 2090 and still be in style! ROCK ON CO!!

User currently offlineAanyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5674 times:

No money. While a new uniform would be nice. I would rather see the cash placed in our paychecks than in a new uniform. Even though new clothes can make a person feel good. I have already seen DL flight attendants looking pretty sloppy in it. It depends on the individual. People don't take pride in themselves any longer. While our uniform at AA can use some updating. If it is worn properly it does not look too bad. The problem is a lot of people just don't care what they look like.

User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5541 times:

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 13):
The problem is a lot of people just don't care what they look like

I can attest to that! In my honest opinion a uniform is a uniform and as long as I can feel safe on the plane I'm good! I saw this one AA flight attendant with the cooking dress on(Thats what I call it, its not the regular dress that zips up in the back) and she looked gorgeous in it! Even some DL F/A's looked not so quite well. With them I ask was really the blue/grey you didnt like or is it just you lol!

have a good flying day everyone!


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

I think most of the UA F/A's I have spoken to on flights would welcome an updated Uniform saying that the current is too business like and for that matter..dated!. Apparently UA were going to change theres pre 9/11 but obviously that got shelved and some minor changes were instead implemented. At some stage I am sure it will be changed but I suspect that is way down on the list of things at present.

User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5445 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 15):
Apparently UA were going to change theres pre 9/11 but obviously that got shelved and some minor changes were instead implemented.

The uniform was changed. Pre 9/11 was a totally different uniform. The current uniform is post 9/11


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5355 times:

Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 16):
The uniform was changed. Pre 9/11 was a totally different uniform. The current uniform is post 9/11

Yes but only minor changes with the removal of the claret piping replaced with grey piping........hardly a new uniform....ask any FA at UA and they will tell you that this is just a "stepping stone" uniform.


User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

Honestly I don´t know what you are talking about.

This is UA´s current uniform (post 9/11) :

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And this used to be UA´s uniform pre 9/11:

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So if you ask me, it´s a totally different uniform, not only minor changes!

Best regards

L1011Lover


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5263 times:

yes its an interim Uniform, not the full blown change......its a temporary uniform...your the one that doesn't know what they are talking about...ask a UA FA if you dont beleive me.....christ..I know many who will beg to differ with you.

User currently offlineAzstagecoach From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5172 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
CO's uniforms are just fine. They don't need to be changed. They're classy, businesslike, and appealing.

I flew two segments up front on CO yesterday. All attendants I interacted with were female, with maybe 30 years in age spread-- and everyone looked very sharp and professional. Also I saw the most attractive female FA in years on a COEX flight a few months ago... so apparently there's no problem in that department either.

I can't speak to the comfort of the uniforms of course, but I do recall a certain seinfeld episode where George got the Yankees to switch to cotton jerseys  Smile

Of course it's funny on seinfeld but it would be catastrophic in real life!


User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

Maybe AA/CO/NW should go for something like these:

Air France by Christian Lacroix.

Air France

British Airways by Julien MacDonald

http://www.oneworld.com/content/image_library/images/BA57336.300dpi.jpg

They look stunning!

Also rumour has it that Vivienne Westwood has been chosen to design Virgin Atlantic's new uniform!

[Edited 2006-07-26 00:51:26]

User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 19):
yes its an interim Uniform, not the full blown change......its a temporary uniform...your the one that doesn't know what they are talking about...ask a UA FA if you dont beleive me.....christ..I know many who will beg to differ with you.

Of course, an interim uniform for the last 5 years... hahaha

Well I know more than one UA flight attendant, I know UA FA´s based in LHR, FRA and the US and trust me, it is NOT an interim uniform.

It´s true that there were talks about slight modifications, like putting the stripes back on the sleeves of the jackets or different ties for the men... but that´s about it! The uniform would basically be the same...

Yet alone the term interim uniform! What a stupid move would that be to design an interim uniform!

And NO it has nothing to do with 9/11!!! UAL wasn´t in pretty good shape financially even before 9/11! The uniform was designed without stripes. And later they thought it might be better to put stripes back on... but as of right now they don´t wanna spend the money, and will probably invest in a new uniform sooner or later!

Best regards

L1011Lover

[Edited 2006-07-26 01:23:52]

User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

Oh and may I quote one more time...

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 17):
Yes but only minor changes with the removal of the claret piping replaced with grey piping........hardly a new uniform....ask any FA at UA and they will tell you that this is just a "stepping stone" uniform.

Now please tell me where are the minor changes to the pre 9/11 uniform??? Again it´s a totally different uniform. I was not talking about any changes that might be made to the new uniform, just that it´s a totally different one!

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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6056 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4984 times:
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I think all of the above uniforms look good. A sharp uniform makes a flight crew really look professional. I wish some of the passengers flying these days looked half as good. I always dress up a bit when I fly. I always put on a sport coat and nice shirt. I just think it is boorish to dress like a bum when traveling.

I remember seeing UA ( I think it was anyway) pilots around DEN in the 80s and they had brown uniforms. I always thought that was ugly.

Quoting Ludavid777 (Reply 12):
The gold buttons and stripe on the blazer pulls its all together and creates a uniform of timeless elegance. This uniform can be worn in 1990 or in 2090 and still be in style! ROCK ON CO!!

I would agree!



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25 Post contains links and images FlyGuyClt : http://www.braniffinternational.org/image/halstonfashion.htm Now those are some uniforms ! Safe Flying
26 Post contains images UAL777UK : ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz....oh, you still there!
27 Christao17 : Most airlines have pretty decent uniforms; it's the people who choose to wear them wrinkled, incomplete, untailored, etc. that keep them from looking
28 Post contains images L1011Lover : Yeah, I´m still here... and I´ll let the pictures speak for themselves...
29 UAL777UK : Of course they do....they show the intermitant uniform....ZZZZZZZzzzzz!
30 Post contains images L1011Lover : Well I´m pretty sure you believe it yourself... LOL But I will end this discussion right now, because it´s pointless! It´s NOT an interim uniform!
31 USFlyer MSP : NWA has the worst uniforms for both inflight and ground staff. They scream welcome to 1991.
32 Post contains images FlyGuyClt : Actually 1992. But I do agree with you. Safe Flying
33 Qqflyboy : About a year and a half ago AA put together a uniform team made up of employees from the various departments with uniforms. They are exploring new uni
34 Post contains images UAL777UK : Thats right I do, what part of this dont you understand.......they introduced an intermidiate uniform as is currently worn...your quite correct its b
35 Post contains images L1011Lover : please stop calling me little boy... I´m no longer a little boy, and I´m definitely not your little boy! I hope I made that clear enough! Obviously
36 1stfl94 : Exactly, most airlines have at some point had some pretty drab uniforms (BA's tablecloth dresses, Lufthansa's early 1990s uniform for example) but th
37 L1011Lover : Honestly I don´t know why so many people keep saying that US crews don´t take pride in their appearance... that might be true for some US FA´s, but
38 Tsaord : Excuse me. I have yet to see a female crew from AF wear that lighter grey/bluish uniforms around ORD's parts. Do any of them have it? Now Korean Air a
39 Post contains images Falcon84 : Ours at CO are just fine: they're business-like, and go along with CO's livery. But maybe while we're changing our uniforms, we an also change the li
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