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User currently offlineMason747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5058 times:

I am beginning to wonder as to why JetBlue does not fly to chicago at all. Of all the new routes that they're opening, ORD should be one of them. My guess is that ATA, Southwest, and Airtran dominate the lowcost market there. That still shouldnt stop them. It shouldve been one of their first destinations. Any thoughts.

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User currently offlineSkookum From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5051 times:

WN doesn't fly to ORD, so I'm assuming you mean the Chicago market as a whole?

I am also curious to hear thoughts on this.



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User currently offlineMason747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5035 times:

I think that JetBlue would be powerful at ORD. I know WN doesnt fly into ORD. Only into MDW.

User currently offlineChicagoOhare From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5016 times:

With the dominance of UA and AA, slots and gates are tough to find at ORD. WN loves grabbing gates at MDW. Could be a question of availability.

Also, ATA and Airtran are also found only at MDW.


User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5000 times:

It has to be the competition at ORD. MDW is really the only airport that makes some logical sense if they try Chicago. But, it just seems like a situation that wouldn't bode well for B6 with that market. what if they tried one of the airports in the burbs??? Like Gary (just kidding)...

To some reason, I think the same excuse can be applied to CVG. The majors just have TOO much of a foothold on the market in those towns that they get forced out. If you think about B6, remember how they got clobbered at ATL and pulled out???

They learned their lesson there.



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User currently offlineEridanMan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

I'd kill to see GYY, even just as a 1 or 2x daily from each coast (not a major hub city)

My Fiancee's family lives in south Chicago, GYY is a much easier drive than either MDW or ORD, AND it seems that we set a new standard of flying hell every year we make the flight... (First AA, then HP).


User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

GYY or RFD (or both) would make me very happy as an alternative to ORD or MDW....

Keeping my fingers crossed!

Rob


User currently offlineAkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

From what we know David and Dave have public stated that they would like to go into ORD. The story (that we are hearing at least) is that B6 wants +4 gates to start with and well as you can imagine no one wants to give up 4 gates and sublease them to a competitor.

On top of this the delays into and out of ORD aren't exactly going to help improve the already lower than avg ontime performance.

Will B6 end up in Chicago, most likely. Will it be any time soon? It's anyone's guess.



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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4700 times:

This is discussed many times on here and one of the posts went into GYY and everyone said how it could work since GYY airport officials are out for a new airline and that they can use GYY to start off the Chicago ops and eventually go into ORD when it opens while already having some parts of Chicago covered.

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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3526 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4643 times:

I still think they should do RFD.

Not only can the grab people from the western suburbs, but the city of Rockford itself is a large metro area. Bloomington/Normal is only a 2 hour drive from there, Madison is just 2 hours away on 94, and Dubuque is only an hour and a half away from the airport as well.

But, obviously, JBlue wants to get the most out of any investment in the Chicagoland area, and ORD and MDW would probably provide the most passengers and the best returns.



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User currently offlineAAFlyer2006 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4453 times:

It seems the two Chicago proper airports are full, until 2017 according to an earlier thread. GYY is close to Chicago, but has problems (with the neighborhood, access, and size). RFD is too far away from Chicago or Milwaukee to be viable for either city.

Anyone on this forum have any thoughts on a viable airport in the Chicago area?






Some of the parts of this post may be redundant. I apologize for this.


User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Why not do BOTH RFD and GYY - then you are surrounding the Chicago area and you can try to draw customers to both.

Rob


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2977 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

I was actually thinking about this, and contrary to what David and Dave are saying publicly, I think that they want MDW. Here's why:

MDW has no non-stop flights to JFK and has only 2 non-stop flights to BOS (FL). These are two JetBlue strongholds along the Northeast Corridor and they have tons of demand for Chicagoland service.

Southwest doesn't fly to JFK. Southwest doesn't fly to BOS.

If JetBlue were to go into ORD, they wouldn't have much competition to JFK, but there would be a lot of competition to BOS - and that just won't fly (insert pun here) when UA/AA have a major hub at ORD.

Further, I hardly see how JetBlue could expand in Chicago if it's not just building a very large presence on the Chi-JFK and Chi-BOS market. Going into ORD and offering flights to FLL and OAK is the best way to get a major reaction out of UA/AA, thereby making it the best way to lose money. In addition, most of JetBlue's markets already have low fare stimulation via WN. However, JFK and BOS still do not have low-fare service.

Am I making sense here? I honestly think that JetBlue is playing "teehee" with the public and is really planning on offering a high-frequency service out of MDW to JFK and BOS. MDW is also located conveniently for those going into downtown Chicago, so this could also target business travelers.

The JFK-BOS Shuttle is working out so well because of high frequency, so I don't see why a JFK-MDW and BOS-MDW Shuttle-type operation wouldn't work as well. Offer JFK service 8x/day and BOS service 7x/day. JFK would be priced at a round number, such as $75-$190 o/w, while BOS would be priced at $85-$205 o/w.

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced this could work, and the more I think JetBlue knows it too.

JetBluefan1



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User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

Quoting AAFlyer2006 (Reply 10):
GYY is close to Chicago, but has problems (with the neighborhood, access, and size)

What Problems?

Neighborhood? Have you been there? You don't need to travel anywhere near a Gary neighborhood to get to GYY, you only travel through an industrial area. No worse than driving down Cicero trying to get MDW.

Access? GYY is directly accessible off of the I-90/Cline Ave. exit, less than 2 miles from the interchange. Faster than going down Cicero from I-55 to MDW. GYY is also accessible off of I-80/94 down Cline Ave. a little farther. The South Shore Line also has a stop about a mile from the terminal. The South Shore Line NW Indiana to South Bend and downtown Chicago.

Size? With two runways, one longer than anything at MDW and an empty terminal and tarmac, it can accomodate B6 right now better than MDW and ORD combined.

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 9):
I still think they should do RFD.

Not only can the grab people from the western suburbs, but the city of Rockford itself is a large metro area. Bloomington/Normal is only a 2 hour drive from there, Madison is just 2 hours away on 94, and Dubuque is only an hour and a half away from the airport as well.

The difference here is that GYY sits in the middle of a major population (NW Indiana) that is generally underserved aviationally (I coined that word). It also readily accessible from the South Side of Chicago and South Suburbs who really only have one choice, MDW. I live on the North Side and would use GYY in a heartbeat, especially if an airline like B6 was flying from there.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2977 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4179 times:

How far is RFD from Chicago?

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User currently offlineAAFlyer2006 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4026 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 14):
How far is RFD from Chicago?

According to mapquest, 85 miles with a driving time of about an hour and a half.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9589 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 14):
How far is RFD from Chicago?

The thing really affecting RFD is that it is 72 miles from ORD, and you have to drive right past ORD to get to Chicago (as in you will be a few hundred yards from the runway as you drive on I-90). Although Chicago is a bit of different market since so many of the companies and wealthy population lives out in the suburbs. Chicagoland is massive and there are plenty of people traveling that don't go to the city itself. Most of Chicago's nonfinancial companies have campuses outside the city. ORD serves the North and West surbubs, MDW serves the South. Rockford is about 30 miles away from the western most surburbs. But eventually those corn fields will probably turn into developments.

Now there has been speculation around about Rockford getting jetBlue. ORD is overcrowded. Getting gates would be very difficult. AA and UA are struggling without enough gates. There is no where for new carriers to go. RFD will do whatever a new airline wants to get service and Rockford has a metro population of 300,000 and is the second largest in Illinois. There is more to Illinois than Chicago (although Chicagoans fully disagree)!



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3917 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 13):
What Problems?

"perception"...the City of Gary Indiana has a very bad perception...of course, having one of the worst murder rates per population recently doesn't help its cause.....

It's "viewed" as an industrial polluted city...

no tourist will want to take B6 out of GYY, and neither will business people who take public transportation (there's no "L"-trains going to GYY).....the expressway (I-90) is the only way of getting there basically.....

those would be majour hurdles to overcome....


Now if B6 targets the northwest Indiana area, yes..they might be successful..but I don't see the market there....certainly not yet...



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User currently offlineIntermodal64 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

ORD lies at the center of the metro area, very convenient to large suburban employers such as the world headquarters for Sears, Motorola, and McDonald's. ORD is also the most convenient airport for the most affluent residents of the area, both city and suburbs.

MDW is a bit more out of the way for these folks. For me as a North Side Chicago resident (but obviously not among the affluent captains of industry), a $100 round-trip cab ride to MDW must be offset by pretty low fares relative to ORD. This is usually the case, in fact. Another way to state this: MDW's distance from the bulk of the region's very high-revenue business traffic (originating in CHI) puts downward pressure on the yields relative to ORD.

JetBlue has every reason to fight for gates and slots at ORD if they want to be a credible player in the Chicago market. I understand that about 4 years ago they were offered access to a gate in Terminal 5 (International terminal) next to Apple Vacations charters. The problem was that their peak-hour availability was restricted. Apparently JetBlue is holding out for gates in one of the domestic terminals with unrestricted access. Now, however, slots have again become a constraint.

I wonder what's going on behind the scenes politically. If Chicago's political muscle became convinced that JetBlue at ORD was a good thing, the necessary gates and slots would somehow become available. The Mayor has a way of making things like this happen.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9589 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Quoting Intermodal64 (Reply 18):
ORD lies at the center of the metro area, very convenient to large suburban employers such as the world headquarters for Sears, Motorola, and McDonald's. ORD is also the most convenient airport for the most affluent residents of the area, both city and suburbs.

MDW is actually closer to downtown Chicago than ORD and most people coming to Chicago go stay downtown since that is where most of the hotels are. However ORD definitely attracts more business clientele. ORD is still a decent distance from downtown, although I agree that the suburbs that are closer to ORD are quite wealthy and have a lot of businesses.

Quoting Intermodal64 (Reply 18):
JetBlue has every reason to fight for gates and slots at ORD if they want to be a credible player in the Chicago market... Now, however, slots have again become a constraint.

ORD does not have slots. Any airline can serve the airport whenever it wants. The airport authority has requested airlines to limit operations in certain hours, but there are no specific slot constraints in the same way that many other large airports like NRT and LHR have.



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

Quoting Mason747 (Reply 2):
I think that JetBlue would be powerful at ORD

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Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 8):
This is discussed many times on here and one of the posts went into GYY and everyone said how it could work since GYY airport officials are out for a new airline and that they can use GYY to start off the Chicago ops and eventually go into ORD when it opens while already having some parts of Chicago covered.

Have you ever heard of a thing in the english language called a period?

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 9):
Not only can the grab people from the western suburbs, but the city of Rockford itself is a large metro area. Bloomington/Normal is only a 2 hour drive from there, Madison is just 2 hours away on 94, and Dubuque is only an hour and a half away from the airport as well.

Point #1 because obviously you dont know Chicago geography very well.

Rockford-Madison is I-90. I-94 runs North from ORD to MKE then cuts across WI to MSN.

Point #2 It is a hell of a long drive to RFD even for me (Schaumburg/NW Suburbs), and even further for people who live in west suburbs such as Batavia, Naperville, Bensenville, Lake Charles etc etc.

Point #3 No way in hell can B6 service in RFD catch traffic from Bloomington/Normal...that is a hell of a waste of gas and time to drive to Rockford.

Quoting United787 (Reply 13):
Neighborhood? Have you been there? You don't need to travel anywhere near a Gary neighborhood to get to GYY, you only travel through an industrial area. No worse than driving down Cicero trying to get MDW.

Access? GYY is directly accessible off of the I-90/Cline Ave. exit, less than 2 miles from the interchange. Faster than going down Cicero from I-55 to MDW. GYY is also accessible off of I-80/94 down Cline Ave. a little farther. The South Shore Line also has a stop about a mile from the terminal. The South Shore Line NW Indiana to South Bend and downtown Chicago.

The hell is the last time you drove from Chicago or the N/NW suburbs to GYY? Perpetual construction on I-94/90/80 make this a horrible ride even if it is a bit closer, that whole situation from Stony Island Road all the way to the Chicago Skyways is damn unnerving, not even going to mention what is happening around that rock quarry. It sucks because furtherly you have to pay even more in tolls if your coming from anywhere but downtown on I-355/I-90/I-94 and I-294.

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 14):
How far is RFD from Chicago?

Too far from anyone wanting to drive it even from the NW suburbs when gas is $3.30.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
no tourist will want to take B6 out of GYY, and neither will business people who take public transportation (there's no "L"-trains going to GYY).....the expressway (I-90) is the only way of getting there basically.....

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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 19):
MDW is actually closer to downtown Chicago than ORD and most people coming to Chicago go stay downtown since that is where most of the hotels are. However ORD definitely attracts more business clientele. ORD is still a decent distance from downtown, although I agree that the suburbs that are closer to ORD are quite wealthy and have a lot of businesses.

You bet they are, I live in the middle of these suburbs in Schaumburg I-290/I-90 exchange and the business/catchment area is just as big as downtown. I would venture that more people stay in the N/NW suburbs than downtown. However you have to note that alot of corporate fleets and business goes to PWK airport. (Such as Motorola or Wal-Greens)

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 19):
ORD does not have slots. Any airline can serve the airport whenever it wants. The airport authority has requested airlines to limit operations in certain hours, but there are no specific slot constraints in the same way that many other large airports like NRT and LHR have.

ORD was slot controlled until a few years back, that is why there is now no gate space.

Speaking of T5 and Apple Vacations/USA3000. Spirit had to pull the same scheme here until they moved into T3 right by Delta and AA.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

Quoting Mason747 (Thread starter):
My guess is that ATA, Southwest, and Airtran dominate the lowcost market there. That still shouldnt stop them.

Actually it should stop them. Why jump into a market that's already served very thoroughly by your compeditors? What could they possibly gain?


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 21):
Actually it should stop them. Why jump into a market that's already served very thoroughly by your compeditors? What could they possibly gain?

They'd be chewed up and spit out by WN, FL and ATA for sure at Chicago MDW. ORD would not be much better if at all. AA and UA have a very big stronghold there...

Face the music, Chicago is just saturated by already superb service. The market has been well-served since before B6 even took to the skies. WN has been there since 1985 and they operate over 200 flights a day. I think FL has been there a while as well if I am not mistaken.



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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3731 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 22):
They'd be chewed up and spit out by WN, FL and ATA for sure at Chicago MDW. ORD would not be much better if at all. AA and UA have a very big stronghold there...

Face the music, Chicago is just saturated by already superb service. The market has been well-served since before B6 even took to the skies. WN has been there since 1985 and they operate over 200 flights a day. I think FL has been there a while as well if I am not mistaken.

Well, like JetBluefan1 has already stated. JFK is not operated by any carrier at MDW. FL operates 2 daily BOS flights but JetBlue has a lot of loyal flyers out of BOS and better yet, JFK. I think they could make this service work. However, their expansion at MDW could be limited, but the same scenario would happen at ORD. Chicago will be a tricky market to enter, but I think JetBlue can make it happen.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 23):
Well, like JetBluefan1 has already stated. JFK is not operated by any carrier at MDW

Man, I didn't even pay attention to his post...

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 12):
MDW has no non-stop flights to JFK and has only 2 non-stop flights to BOS (FL).

Ah ok, there it is... NOW I see it...

I didn't even think of that. So if they were to come into Chicago, they'd have little competition flying MDW-BOS against FL, and no competition flying MDW to their home base at JFK... Yeah, I guess they'd be able to make that happen with either the E90 or the A320... I say try out a couple of E90s first, then if demand warants it, upgrade to the A320.



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25 LOT767-300ER : Too bad the whole Chicago market is to LGA and EWR which brings me to my next point: Look at the ORD-JFK market and how much demand there is for that
26 JetBluefan1 : I say have a high-frequency market with the E190's - no A320's. Don't forget that UA and AA run shuttle ops out of LGA (and probably EWR as well), so
27 Jacobin777 : That space was used by VS before they moved out of ORD after 9/11.... ORD-JFK is not a big service destination....AA has only recently again added fl
28 RoseFlyer : American Eagle has two flights, Comair has one flight. The Comair flight is almost exclusively for international connections. The fares that Delta of
29 Post contains images Jacobin777 : hmmm..I didn't find Comair.... ... thanks for the update..that makes its a whopping three RJ's flying ORD-JFK...
30 AussieItaliano : The exact same thing was said about Boston. People said that nobody would fly B6 from JFK to BOS because travellers to and from BOS would prefer EWR
31 JetBlueAUS : I wonder if JetBlue would be successful operating IAD-MDW. I know that Southwest will be flying that route when they open up IAD in October. However,
32 JetBluefan1 : Exactly what I was thinking. JetBlue managed to make JFK-BOS a huge success - they have no problem filling 10 flights a day, and pretty decent yield
33 Ckfred : ORD no longer has slots that can be bought and sold, but the FAA has limited ORD to 88 arrivals per hour, and UA and AA both decreased the number of
34 Mexicana757 : Airtran flies MDW-BOS 4X daily, but that will change to 3X daily in September.
35 Flight209 : Is it just me, or is B6 getting less consistent about what kind of airport it serves or wants to serve in multi-airport markets? While B6 may rather
36 AAFlyer2006 : You make a good point there. However, what I was hinting at and probably should have mentioned is perception. If the airport is in Gary, people will
37 United787 : People wouldn't be flying into GYY to go to Gary, they would be flying into GYY to go to Chicago. How many airports sit in an area that is desirable
38 Mark777300 : Considering that there is minimal flights between JFK and ORD and none to MDW, I would be inclined to say that B6 would make an absolute killing on th
39 Jacobin777 : as I said, its the "perception" of "Gary"..until that changes, its going to be a hard sell... dude, no matter how you slice-and-dice it, transportati
40 ScottB : Except... MDW and ORD both have rail links which are convenient to their respective terminals. The comparison with the rest of the United States is m
41 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : I bet JetBlue would have a better perception at DPA than at GYY and get more traffic from the suburbs... That is why people do not understand that GYY
42 JetBluefan1 : The reason for the lower LF in January was because JetBlue was substituting 8 flights with A320s, leaving the other 2 with E190s. I cannot really com
43 ScottB : Actually, I was calculating the January load factors based on 68 weekly E190 round-trips (or approximately 30,000 monthly seats each way) and DoT's f
44 Cubsrule : DH certainly did more advertising in CLT, and I might even argue that FL advertises more (though they have a larger operation and more destinations).
45 Post contains links JetBluefan1 : Nice calculations. JetBlue obviously did poorly on JFK-BOS in January. But what would you expect - it was January, and it was still quite a new route
46 Steeler83 : thanks Ok, so from this these posts as well as others, it looks like GYY is not an option for B6 let alone any other carrier. In my above arguments,
47 LOT767-300ER : You're wrong, and its probably because you dont live in Chicago. If JetBlue flies out of midway, you could give out free T-Shirts and put adds on eve
48 JetBluefan1 : So if MDW isn't the preferred airport, how come so many airlines have great success out of there? If it isn't so valuable, then why did WN invest in
49 ScottB : Except an A320 moves passengers at a lower CASM than an E190. And BOS presents its own cost issues with respect to congestion, weather, hiring, etc.
50 JetBluefan1 : The A320 does have a lower CASM, but this isn't as large of an advantage as many think. Thing is that the plane was made to be most fuel efficient on
51 Ckfred : You have to remember that there are different preceptions of who uses airports. In Chicago, there is a perception that road warriors use ORD, because
52 ScottB : True, but clearly it was scheduled as such in advance and jetBlue's revenue department would have had the ability to sell the extra seats. It will be
53 LOT767-300ER : Its not the preferred airport of anyone that lives anywhere N/NW/W of downtown and I can safely say that that is where a large part of the traffic is
54 JetBluefan1 : I definitely get your point. I really don't know the Chicago area at all, so I was just taking any information that I had about airlines and their op
55 AUSBlue : My sources tell me that Chicago is put on hold for a little while. It's on "the radar" though, which is not new news at all. Just an FYI.
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