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CO's CLE-JAX RJ Schedule  
User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5213 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Oct 1 CO starts a daily CLE-JAX round trip and then in the January schedule change the flights go away. Is this a result of the XJT reduction or is it missing because Chautauqua can't commit to specific schedules yet?

CLE-JAX has long had enough O&D traffic to support at least one non-stop, but it seems odd to start the route in a relatively slow period of the year and then kill it 3 months later.


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User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

COEX used to fly this route until a few months ago then dropped it. I guess it's only back for the Christmas season.

User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

CLE-JAX is a very strange route, sometimes it operates daily, sometimes Saturdays only. Sometimes not at all. This should be a daily year-round route, but it isnt.


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User currently offlineJoeman From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 2):
CLE-JAX is a very strange route, sometimes it operates daily, sometimes Saturdays only. Sometimes not at all. This should be a daily year-round route, but it isnt.

Could be wrong, but it seems there's a few on/off CO CLE routes that might be operated on a more consistent basis and it seems they're filled only when spare equipment is available.


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1986 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 2):
This should be a daily year-round route, but it isnt.

IMO, they are going to need to do this and upgrade some equipment if CommutAir gets a larger turboprop. Hard to fill the turboprop routes if there are no seats to be had in the first place. I hope we'll start seeing an increase in capacity from CLE on routes so the feeder routes can fill the increase in capacity.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5213 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Quoting Joeman (Reply 3):
Could be wrong, but it seems there's a few on/off CO CLE routes that might be operated on a more consistent basis and it seems they're filled only when spare equipment is available.

SAN for one? I don't know why that one comes and goes so much. Yields aren't great on SAN routes, but they're better than on LAS routes.



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User currently offlineJoeman From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 5):
SAN for one? I don't know why that one comes and goes so much. Yields aren't great on SAN routes, but they're better than on LAS routes.

definitely one I was thinking of out of CLE


User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1996 times:
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Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 5):
SAN for one? I don't know why that one comes and goes so much. Yields aren't great on SAN routes, but they're better than on LAS routes.

SAN, like SEA, seems to depend a lot on cruise ship passengers to be successful. Given the many starts and stops for this route, I suppose that there is not enough traffic OR they are fine with leveraging the AA connection at LAX. I took this route a couple months ago and it was not all that bad.

LAS makes up for low yields with high loads. I have never been on a flight to LAS that is not completely packed!



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User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

SAN,SLC,DSM,JAX among others that should be added.


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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5213 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 7):
SAN, like SEA, seems to depend a lot on cruise ship passengers to be successful.

Last year, CLE-SAN O&D was 207 daily pax in Q1, 240 in Q2, 199 in Q3, and 222 in Q4. That is greater than CLE-SEA, which at least gets seasonal service. I can only figure the lack of a flight is because of the WN-driven yields in SAN and the guess that CO's SAN operation is too small for additional flights without manning up another gate.



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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1963 times:
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Does anyone know how well DL is going with SLC? I know they upgraded equipment to mainline. I think SLC would do well for CO, espescially in ski season.


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User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

When we had still had CLE-SAN year round, I bet the load factor was in the high 80%. It was supposed to return this summer but didnt due to lack of aircraft. CLE-SLC also did very well,I can tell you I see ALOT of bags transferring to DL off CO flights. I think once the ramp construction is done, CLE will see more flights, right now 5 gates are closed C-7,9,11,14,16.


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User currently offlineJoeman From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 11):
I think once the ramp construction is done, CLE will see more flights, right now 5 gates are closed C-7,9,11,14,16.

I think your right, and hopefully at least regarding the consistency of flights. CLE-ABQ, a seasonal only, Saturday only, supposedly very good load factor flight is gone already this summer if it was operated at all from what I understand. Don't know how much that flight interfered with the limited space issue, especially on a Saturday. In another thread, it indicates that UA utilization of gates at ORD is around 9+ daily, I wonder what CO at CLE is.


User currently offlineOptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

Quoting Joeman (Reply 12):
In another thread, it indicates that UA utilization of gates at ORD is around 9+ daily, I wonder what CO at CLE is.

Well with only 8 arrival banks per day I'd doubt that it's more than 9 but with the ramp construction you never know.


User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 471 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

when is ramp construction supposed to be complete? Seems like there are a lot more gates to go. I have to say I travel a lot and I can't every remember any other airport closing down every single gate in a terminal over 3 or 4 years. . .. CLe makes me wonder sometimes.

User currently offlineAmericanairfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 408 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

AUS is hot and humid most of the time... I've noticed the CRJ-200s take a bit of the runway and I've noticed that the Delta 737-200 taking off 17L takes up all of the runway and it tends to accelerate and nose up at the 2,000ft left marker and lift off 500ft from the end of the runway... Seems a bit dangerous to me...

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