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SQ 747-400, Which Ones Are No Longer In Service?  
User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

I was browsing through the photo database and came across this photo of Air Pacific. It looks like the interior of a former SQ 744 aircraft.


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a) Can anyone tell me what is the config of Air Pacific's B744s that were formerly SQ aircrafts? Did Air Pacific retrofit their first and business class cabins or did they retain SQ's Skysuites and Spacebed in First and Business respectively?

b) Can anyone advise how many of SQ's B744 have left the fleet (what are their reg.numbers?) and where/whom were they sold/leased out to?

Thanks


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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

Quoting SQ772 (Thread starter):
b) Can anyone advise how many of SQ's B744 have left the fleet (what are their reg.numbers?) and where/whom were they sold/leased out to?

I don;t know the registration numbers, but two of the earliest ones went to Air Atlanta and have now been sold on to the new carrier Oasis Hong Kong Airlines which intend flying HKG-LGW from the autumn.



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User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8359 times:

4 will be converted for MP as cargo a/c (24061, 24066, 24226, 24975) The last 3 are currently in service with Air India.
See MP 744SF, When? (by A388 Jul 23 2006 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8316 times:

Two were flying for Iberia until recently, leased from Air Atlanta. The aircraft are now headed for Oasis Hong Kong. The Singapore regs were 9V-SMC and 9V-SME. The two Air Pacific birds were formally 9V-SMD and 9V-SMB.


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[Edited 2006-07-25 19:07:18]


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User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8282 times:

747-412 9A-SPK was written off in a crash at TPE:

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User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8265 times:

THanks guys for the update. It looks like the ones that had been sold/leased were all from their first batch of 744s... pretty old aircraft by SQ standards.

Can anyone tell me if Air Pacific retained SQ's FIrst and Business class seats on those ex-SQ aircrafts?



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5296 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8051 times:

Quoting SQ772 (Reply 5):
Can anyone tell me if Air Pacific retained SQ's FIrst and Business class seats on those ex-SQ aircrafts?

FJ doesn't offer F class, but i'm pretty sure J class seats are the same ones used by SQ.

9V-SMQ is flying for EL AL now. And 3 are also flying PAX for CX and another 3 to be converted to 744BCF's for CX Cargo.

6 more 744's are due to leave this year as SQ takes delivery of its A380's and 77W's. Always sad to see great aircraft leave their original owner.


User currently offlineJoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 806 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7988 times:

Quoting SQ772 (Thread starter):
It looks like the interior of a former SQ 744 aircraft.

Hi, those two Air Pacific 744's as far as I know are OWNED by SQ however are on a lease (dont ask what type of lease!!)

Before entering service with Air pacific, they were operated by ansett Australia as ANA and ANB before the collapse.

When Air pacific take delivery of the 787's in 2009?? The two 744's will go back to SQ.


User currently offlineSpeedbirdEGJJ From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7968 times:

Full List of the former SQ Airframes

9V-SMB 24062 to Air Pacific as DQ-FJL
9V-SMC 24063 to Air Atlanta / Iberia as TF-AMA
9V-SMD 24064 to Air Pacific as DQ-FJK
9V-SME 24065 to Air Atlanta / Iberia as TF-AMB
9V-SMF 24066 to Boeing as N728BA
9V-SMG 24266 to Air India as VT-AIE
9V-SMI 24975 to Air India as VT-AIQ
9V-SMK 25127 to Cathay Pacific as B-HKE
9V-SML 25128 to Cathay Pacific as B-HKF
9V-SMN 26548 to Cathay Pacific as B-HKD
9V-SMO 27066 to Air Atlanta as TF-AMI
9V-SMQ 28263 to EL AL as 4X-ELS

Cheers
Ryan


User currently offlineTL925 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7953 times:

Quoting SpeedbirdEGJJ (Reply 8):
Hi, those two Air Pacific 744's as far as I know are OWNED by SQ however are on a lease (dont ask what type of lease!!)

Before entering service with Air pacific, they were operated by ansett Australia as ANA and ANB before the collapse.

When Air pacific take delivery of the 787's in 2009?? The two 744's will go back to SQ.

The 2 x Air Pacific aircraft (MSN 24062 and MSN 24064) in addition to the 2 x future Oasis Hong Kong aircraft (MSN 24063 and MSN 24065) were sold by SQ in late 2004. The aircraft are no longer affiliated w/ SQ, except for maintenance agreements.


User currently offlineSpeedbirdEGJJ From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7951 times:

TL925

Not sure what happened there but thats not my post??

Incidentally the list i posted if of the 747-400's that once formed part of the SQ fleet which no longer do, whether it be they've been sold or leased.

Thanks Ryan


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5296 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7939 times:

Quoting Joffie (Reply 7):

When Air pacific take delivery of the 787's in 2009??

2011 that will be.

Quoting SpeedbirdEGJJ (Reply 8):
Full List of the former SQ Airframes

Cheers for that.

Adding to that list.

9V-SMA will go to MP as a 744BCF, there is a photo in the database of it parked up all white.

And any idea on SMH? Maybe to CX?


User currently offlineJoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 806 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7920 times:

Quoting TL925 (Reply 9):
The aircraft are no longer affiliated w/ SQ, except for maintenance agreements.

Really?? didn't know that.

thanks for that info. Do you know who they were bought by?


User currently offlineTL925 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7903 times:

From a Flight International article in March:

"Used 747s find home at Oasis
Long-haul start-up carrier Oasis Hong Kong Airlines has acquired two used Boeing 747-400s, moving it a step closer to launching services.Oasis has purchased two ex-Singapore Airlines 747-400s from Deucalion Capital, which is owned by Germany’s DVB Bank.
The aircraft, which were built in 1989, are due for delivery in July, after which they will undergo maintenance. The 747-400s are currently in service with Iberia, which is wet-leasing them from Air Atlanta.
Oasis is aiming to launch services in September between its Hong Kong base and London Gatwick. It says it will offer fares substantially lower than the incumbent airlines operating between Hong Kong and London Heathrow."


User currently offlineTL925 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7897 times:

Apologies SpeedbirdEGJJ, I'm not sure what happened when I selected the Quote option since the post I quoted was the one right above yours???

User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7858 times:

Quoting TL925 (Reply 9):
The 2 x Air Pacific aircraft (MSN 24062 and MSN 24064) in addition to the 2 x future Oasis Hong Kong aircraft (MSN 24063 and MSN 24065) were sold by SQ in late 2004

DQ-FJK and FJL are still owned by SQ.


User currently offlineTL925 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7829 times:

A brief quote from an article from Air Transport Intelligence (unfortunately subscription only website):

"German transport finance specialist DVB Bank has revealed itself as the buyer of four Singapore Airlines Boeing 747-400 aircraft, taking the jets through its Deucalion Capital aviation fund.

Singapore Airlines (SIA) stated last month that it had signed a conditional agreement to sell the aircraft which are presently on lease to other operators – two are with Fiji’s Air Pacific and two with Air Atlanta Icelandic.

Each of the aircraft with their associated leases has been acquired by a separate special-purpose vehicle company."


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5296 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7804 times:

Interesting TL925. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for that.

User currently offlineBabaero From Philippines, joined Jan 2002, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7673 times:

Dont forget the forth one which went to CX as a BCF conversion

B-HKH this is also ex SQ


User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7615 times:

Quoting SpeedbirdEGJJ (Reply 8):
Full List of the former SQ Airframes

Don't forget
9V-SMA 24061/717 to N733BA. Now in Xiamen for conversion to BCF for Martinair as PH-MPP



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User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7568 times:

9V-SMA 24061 to Martin Air as PH-MPP (BCF)
9V-SMB 24062 to Air Pacific as DQ-FJL
9V-SMC 24063 to Air Atlanta / Iberia as TF-AMA
9V-SMD 24064 to Air Pacific as DQ-FJK
9V-SME 24065 to Air Atlanta / Iberia as TF-AMB
9V-SMF 24066 to Boeing as N728BA
9V-SMG 24266 to Air India as VT-AIE
9V-SMH 24227 to Cathay Pacific as B-HKH (BCF)
9V-SMI 24975 to Air India as VT-AIQ
9V-SMK 25127 to Cathay Pacific as B-HKE
9V-SML 25128 to Cathay Pacific as B-HKF
9V-SMN 26548 to Cathay Pacific as B-HKD
9V-SMO 27066 to Air Atlanta as TF-AMI
9V-SMQ 28263 to EL AL as 4X-ELS


User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7499 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 6):
9V-SMQ is flying for EL AL now

SMQ will be going to XMN to be converted to CX pax configuration.
9V-SMV and 9V-SPD will also be converted to CX pax configuration.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 11):
And any idea on SMH? Maybe to CX?

SMH and SMR will be converted to CX BCF configuration.

Tod


User currently offlineSpeedbirdEGJJ From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7486 times:

Quoting Tod (Reply 21):
SMQ will be going to XMN to be converted to CX pax configuration.

SMQ has already left and is indeed now flying for EL AL.

Quoting SpeedbirdEGJJ (Reply 8):
9V-SMQ 28263 to EL AL as 4X-ELS

Small correction to my earlier post the c/n should be 27132


User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7462 times:

Quoting SpeedbirdEGJJ (Reply 8):
9V-SMF 24066 to Boeing as N728BA

now active with Air India as VT-AIF

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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7432 times:

Quoting SpeedbirdEGJJ (Reply 22):
SMQ has already left and is indeed now flying for EL AL.

Not for much longer. I've completed my portion of the engineering to convert it to CX pax.

Tod


25 SpeedbirdEGJJ : Thanks for the update Tod, presume this was just a short term capacity boost for LY then?? Thanks Ryan
26 Post contains links and images Lijnden : I see that a whole bunch are sold! How many B747's are still flying for SQ at this moment incl. freighters. Are the Great Wall freighters also ex SQ?
27 Tod : That is my understanding. Tod
28 Post contains images SQ772 : Thanks for the very detailed updates!! It's amazing how knowledgeable many a.net members are! I never realised that so many of SQ's 744s have left the
29 ETA Unknown : The 2 FJ 744's (I've been on both) have FJ seat covers- business class is in the nose and part of zone B- economy is upstairs. The bassinetts, however
30 SQ772 : Thanks ETA. What kind of business class seats does the FJ cabin have? Did they re-use the ones that were fitted on SQ (Ultimo seats. 9VSMB and SMD wer
31 Post contains links and images SQ772 : Here're pictures of the two different business class seats that used to be available on SQ's 744s. Spacebed (fitted on all 744s currently in service)
32 Post contains links and images Planemanofnz : Does that give you a better idea. They are not lie flat beds. In fact they are nowhere near that. And the seats are not ex-SQ, I have been on one of
33 SQ772 : Thanks Planemanofnz. Yes it appears that FJ installed their own J class seats.
34 N754PR : 9V-SMH is already a BCF with Cathay Pacific as B-HKH. Who confirmed more pax 744's for CX..... I only heard of more BCF's.[Edited 2006-07-27 07:51:18]
35 ZK-NBT : Thats what I thought to. Cxflyboy said a while back that they were considering adding more PAX aircraft possibly but nothing definate.
36 Post contains images AMSSFO : Great Wall's B744 are leased 747-412F from SQ Cargo B-2428 (cn 28263/1094), ex 9V-SFE B-2429 (cn 28032/1224) , ex 9V-SFH
37 BNG777 : Business Class:28 seats Economy class: 430 seats. Air Pacific does not offer first class. The upper deck has 69 economy seats and the business class
38 Tod : I've got engineering data on my desk right now that covers pax conversions for: 9V-SMK 9V-SML 9V-SMN 9V-SMQ 9V-SMV 9V-SPD The design effort is a comb
39 Post contains links AMSSFO : currently regtd N706RB (since nov2005) and in conversion to SF at TLV http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=CC&al_op=1 Next opera
40 ZKNBX : SMA sure was sitting round for a long time out of service.
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