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Why Do Airlines Still Use The 732  
User currently offlineCurious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6603 times:

Why do some airlines(esp in developed countries) still use the 732? it cant just be the cost of fleet renewal?

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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6603 times:

Quoting Curious (Thread starter):
Why do some airlines(esp in developed countries) still use the 732? it cant just be the cost of fleet renewal?

Probably the same reason NW still uses the DC-9.



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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1791 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6594 times:

Quoting Curious (Thread starter):
Why do some airlines(esp in developed countries) still use the 732? it cant just be the cost of fleet renewal?

It is not just the cost of fleet renewal. The 732 is an excellent airframe, and several of the ones which are still flying have a number of hours left on them. So there is no reason to replace them.



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6515 times:

Yep, Aerosvit Ukrainian has one for example, UR-BVY. They don't want to get rid of -BVY, regardless of how beat up it is, since it's owned, like the NW DC-9
-Mr. X



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6515 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 1):
Probably the same reason NW still uses the DC-9.

What is everyone going to talk about on A.net after NW retires the last DC-9?



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6490 times:

Because they can make money flying it. $$$$$$


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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6473 times:

Because they're sweet!

Seriously, I'll be sad when they're gone and I never got a ride.  Sad



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8671 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6446 times:

AS, DL, and AQ uses them in the US.

AS uses them for freight ops but is replacing them with 734F.
http://www.alaskasworld.com/NEWS/2006/06/28_freighter.asp

DL is replacing them with CRJ's, and another type (presumbly 738).

AQ uses them for inter island routes and for freighter routes. I guessing the 738 will replace them if the load factors demand it. Otherwise im guessing the 736, or the 735. In another thread it said the 732,735 and 736 had the same specs.

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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6435 times:

Airlines evaluate the higher cost of operating older aircraft versus the cost of buying newer aircraft. It's about that simple. In the particular case of the B737-200, it the operating costs on very short routes are not too bad compared with newer aircraft. For longer routes, it's worth replacing them.

User currently offlineCurious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6435 times:

What about fuel, they do drink a lot?

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6370 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 4):
What is everyone going to talk about on A.net after NW retires the last DC-9

The Aloha 737-200..........
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User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 6264 times:

Some airlines like First Air and Canadian North still use them as there is no viable alternative jet to use on gravel air strips.

User currently offlineRwy31R From Saudi Arabia, joined Aug 2001, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 6229 times:

SV continued to use thier sterdy 732's years after they recieved the total 29 MD-90's they purchased to repace the 732.

I believe the main reason they kept them was because a few airports in Saudi were not ready to handle anything bigger or planes that needed longer runways, like BHH.

By now, with the introduction of the Embraer 170 they have retired them where many of them are stored at ELQ.

I will miss the long JT8D engines. Classic and unique!



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6132 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 7):
I guessing the 738 will replace them if the load factors demand it. Otherwise im guessing the 736, or the 735. In another thread it said the 732,735 and 736 had the same specs.

Actually, I read somewhere that Aloha was in the market for used 737-200's, having something to do with the CFM-56s of the later 737s burning more fuel on such short inter-island flights than the P&W JT8Ds, making them uneconomical.


User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6088 times:

Ugh... if it's not about Northwest DC-9s... it's about 737-200s being old, unsafe, beyond their time... geez.


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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6088 times:

Quoting Curious (Thread starter):
Why do some airlines(esp in developed countries) still use the 732? it cant just be the cost of fleet renewal?

Why do some people drive old Minis, maybe it's because that's all they can afford.

Quoting Curious (Reply 9):
What about fuel, they do drink a lot?

You can buy a lot of fuel for the price of a 373NG or an A320. By the way they burn the fuel, they don't drink it.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8671 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6071 times:

They do to the 732 to what FX did to the DC-10 30/10 series. It'd be a hellva site. At least install hush kits to the 732's.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineFL370 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

they use the plane because its a classic, a plane that everyone loves and will miss. like the 707, and the 3holers that NW flies. classic that will never leave.

User currently offlineDarrenthe747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5936 times:

it's too bad the 727 is retired. oh how i miss her. Sad

User currently offlinePGV From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5927 times:

Quoting A332 (Reply 14):
Ugh... if it's not about Northwest DC-9s... it's about 737-200s being old, unsafe, beyond their time... geez.

Yup...

But when the 9's are gone, who else will be left around to shake windows and lay down the smoke on take-off!?!



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5919 times:

Compare the MTOW of the 732 against later variants (especially the NG series...).

It becomes apparent that the 737 series has evolved (along with customer needs) from being primarily short-haul, medium capacity lift to being on the mid to high end of the narrow body spectrum, medium range. Along with that, the later 737's are carrying around lots of extra weight-not needed for the short-haul role it was originally built for. Therefore, the newer 737's are burning a lot more fuel on the 30 to 45 minute hops with quick turns that the 732 was designed for...



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5890 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 20):
Compare the MTOW of the 732 against later variants (especially the NG series...).

Surely there must be some older 733s and 735s going cheap now? These would be more economical....and pass noise and pollution emissions rules



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5857 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 21):
Surely there must be some older 733s and 735s going cheap now? These would be more economical....and pass noise and pollution emissions rules

From A.net's own AC data entry on the 735:

Quote:
The 737-500's main appeal is for operators of large 737-400 and 737-300 fleets, as because the 500 is a shortened development of the 300, it still carries much of the structural weight needed for the higher weight models. This makes it less efficient than if it was designed specifically for its size category, however for operators of large 737-300/400 fleets, the extensive commonality benefits more than compensate for this.

The 732 isn't nearly as dirty as, say, the Convair 990, the 707 w/Conways, or a myriad of other vintage jetliners that I've seen leave smoke trails  Smile



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User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5843 times:

A fleet renewal is not that simple and easy. Beleive me, if it was, you would only see 737NGs, A320s, 777s, A330s, A340s flying around...


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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5796 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 1):
Quoting Curious (Thread starter):
Why do some airlines(esp in developed countries) still use the 732? it cant just be the cost of fleet renewal?

Probably the same reason NW still uses the DC-9.

An addage in our industry: We use everything from the piggy except the squeal! or, everything on the cow except the moo!

These old birds may consume fuel the way Christy Brinkly's cad hubby consumes teen girls but, if they hold up, it is still cheaper than buying new.



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25 Afterburner : For some of them, especially startup LCCs, it's the only type of aircraft that is affordable.
26 Starlionblue : How are they unsafe? Old does not mean unsafe.
27 Jetdeltamsy : Because they're paid for.
28 BA286 : I get to fly on one in a week from Honolulu to Hilo. According to other a.netters i have asked the Aloha 732s are in good shaped and well maintained.
29 Post contains links PWM2TXLHopper : Quoting Curious (Thread starter): Why do some airlines(esp in developed countries) still use the 732? it cant just be the cost of fleet renewal? I bel
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