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Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN  
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32787 posts, RR: 72
Posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12533 times:

I know the rumours of Austrian Airlines cutting Australia flights are being discussed in another thread, but it is now official and the cuts are going past just Australia. Flights to Kuala Lumpor and Singapore, the intermediate stops on their Australia flights, are also being cut. Very sad news.

http://www.airsider.com/files/2006/0706/004/aua_sydney.htm


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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12519 times:

so where will the B 777 / A 343 be re-allocated to as it uses 3 dedicated aircraft supposedly to fly this route.

ppl say Pakistan is hot on the drawing board for them for next summer...any update on that front?


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12508 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 1):
so where will the B 777 / A 343 be re-allocated to as it uses 3 dedicated aircraft supposedly to fly this route.

I'd go a step further. I could imagine that OS might actually dispose of one of those plane types. I don't know the exact fleet numbers, but both subfleets are certainly not too big, and it might make sense for OS to simplify their fleet.


User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12481 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 1):
so where will the B 777 / A 343 be re-allocated to as it uses 3 dedicated aircraft supposedly to fly this route

AFAIK, OS only used the B763ER (for a while) and B772 for their down under routes. How many passengers were going only to KUL or SIN ?

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
I'd go a step further. I could imagine that OS might actually dispose of one of those plane types.

I wouldn't be surprised as well. Wasn't it said not that long ago that OS was in a bad fiancial situation?

[Edited 2006-07-25 21:47:35]

User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12459 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
I'd go a step further. I could imagine that OS might actually dispose of one of those plane types. I don't know the exact fleet numbers, but both subfleets are certainly not too big, and it might make sense for OS to simplify their fleet.

I suppose it'll be the A343 as they have one 772ER on order. They have 2 A343s, right ?
I guess LH/LX are eagerly waiting to grab them !



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12400 times:

Are these flights the ex Lauda flights to Australia? If it is then I suspect that Lauda operated them at profit and since being swallowed by Austrian they can no longer make a profit due to Austrian higher operating costs?? If this is the case then again its a shame that another European carrier has to give up service to Australia. Perhaps Niki can start again?

User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12364 times:

Quoting Aussiestu (Reply 5):

Well, according to the paper, OS blame essentially the soaring oil price, but they can't deny the fact that NG pilots, but probably also cabin crews have had an wage increase to OS flight crews level folloving the merger of the two brand. Not to mention the price competition on the routes, which, still according to Airsider made OS regularly offers the lowest fares, thus not covering the costs! That's impossible to keep that way for long in todays business.


User currently offlineCHANGYOU From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12333 times:
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Another European airline leaving SIN. I wonder with OS terminating SIN will actually push SQ to operate SIN-VIEvv?

User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12299 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
I'd go a step further. I could imagine that OS might actually dispose of one of those plane types.

The Boeing 777

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 6):
Well, according to the paper, OS blame essentially the soaring oil price, but they can't deny the fact that NG pilots, but probably also cabin crews have had an wage increase to OS flight crews level folloving the merger of the two brand

The oil prices have caused many airlines to drop low yielding routes..

Quoting Aussiestu (Reply 5):
Are these flights the ex Lauda flights to Australia?

Yes

Quoting A342 (Reply 4):
I suppose it'll be the A343 as they have one 772ER on order. They have 2 A343s, right ?

The Boeing 777

Quoting A342 (Reply 4):
I guess LH/LX are eagerly waiting to grab them !

They are not getting them as they are not going anywhere!

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
I'd go a step further. I could imagine that OS might actually dispose of one of those plane types.

The Boeing 777 types


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12056 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 8):
The Boeing 777

Do you actually know this or are you only speculating? Any sources?

Seems rather odd to dispose of the 772 when it burns less fuel than the A340 and fuel costs are cited by the airline as part of the reason for pulling out of the SE/Asia/Oz routes. As well as, of course, having recently ordered an additional 777 frame.

[Edited 2006-07-26 01:12:49]

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12033 times:

Considering that OS is taking delivery of a 4th B772 in Jan 2007, i would say the A343's will go.

The B772's have recently been reconfirgured with flat bed business and improved IFE, with seat numbers reduced from 344 to 307.

With SIN and KUL going, I would say they will dispose of the A340's, and put the twins onto BKK and other A343 sectors.

With OS only serving BKK in Asia, and being a star carrier, I wonder if they will codeshare with TG to PER/MEL/SYD/BNE, and on TG's HKT-PER service.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2924 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12014 times:

So aside from BA, what European airlines are left serving Australia? It's remarkable how the market between Europe and Australia/New Zealand has changed.

User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12014 times:

Quoting CHANGYOU (Reply 7):
Another European airline leaving SIN. I wonder with OS terminating SIN will actually push SQ to operate SIN-VIEvv?

And another one leaving Australia. MEL will not have any European carriers serving it anymore with BA recently leaving

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10):
I wonder if they will codeshare with TG to PER/MEL/SYD/BNE, and on TG's HKT-PER service

I think they will on SYD and MEL routes.


User currently offlineKlyk1980 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11952 times:

Another one pulling out SIN....both NZ and OS. It seems SIN is lossing business as a stopover for flights between NZ/AUST and Europe.

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32787 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11914 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10):


With OS only serving BKK in Asia, and being a star carrier,

Austrian flies to Amman, Baku, Beijing, Beiruit, Colombo, Damascus, Delhi, Kathmandu, Malé, Mumbai, Phuket, Shanghai, Tbilsi, Tehran, Tel Aviv, Tokyo, and Yerevan.



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User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11914 times:

Klyk1980 - dont forget SK pulled out as well recently.
Thats three Star Alliance carriers in a short space of time.


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11903 times:

As much as this is sad, it did not really surprise me. I think that LH will begin flights to Australia next year in OS's place. In terms of KUL and SIN, I definately see MH and SQ flying to VIE within the next 6 months. The problem with these flights was that they only had 3 fights a week to MEL and 6 to SYD. If the stopped MEL and gave MEL's frequencies to SYD then the route may just have stood a chance.

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11878 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 16):
In terms of KUL and SIN, I definately see MH and SQ flying to VIE within the next 6 months.

SQ codeshares with LH and serves MUC and FRA, while MH just suspended VIE flights, but is upping FCO capacity.

I don't think either carrier will go back in.
if anything, they will feed pax over germany.


User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6570 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11866 times:

I think the 343s will go and that OS will fly the 777s to JFK and NRT.

Too bad that OS will leave Australia and SIN/KUL. I guess that makes SQ happy though.

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11820 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 18):
I guess that makes SQ happy though.

In what respect?
SQ codeshares on SIN-VIE because they don't operate to VIE in their own right!


User currently offlineKlyk1980 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11770 times:

My concern is....SIN now becomes a solely SQ Star Alliance Hub....SQ/TG/NH/LH/UA/LX/SA

But even HKG with more Star Members than SIN and BKK...include all airlines above..plus AC and NZ. Thats interesting....right?

I do not count any code-share flight.


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11757 times:

Quoting Klyk1980 (Reply 20):
My concern is....SIN now becomes a solely SQ Star Alliance Hub....SQ/TG/NH/LH/UA/LX/SA

SA does not fly to SIN with their own A/C only HKG


User currently offlineKlyk1980 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11744 times:

opsss...thanks VHVXB..one more deduction from SIN....

User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11548 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 16):
As much as this is sad, it did not really surprise me. I think that LH will begin flights to Australia next year in OS's place. In terms of KUL and SIN, I definately see MH and SQ flying to VIE within the next 6 months. The problem with these flights was that they only had 3 fights a week to MEL and 6 to SYD. If the stopped MEL and gave MEL's frequencies to SYD then the route may just have stood a chance.

I don't see that happening in the near future. Given the really bad shape MH is in, they're more likely to drop European routes, not add new ones. I think we can expect them to drop both FRA and ZRH in favour of increased flights to the European Skyteam hubs very soon. As for SQ, maybe.

The other thing I definitely don't see happening is LH flying to Oz. LH already handed over the SAO-SCL add-on over to LX because with the duty time and layover regulations of LH crews, LX could operate that route much cheaper. And that's just a short flight. So I can hardly see LH operating to Oz successfully, or at least profitably.


User currently offlineGneissGuy From Singapore, joined Jul 2006, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11525 times:

Quoting CHANGYOU (Reply 7):
Another European airline leaving SIN. I wonder with OS terminating SIN will actually push SQ to operate SIN-VIEvv?

Is there enough traffic to warrant a direct SIN-VIE connection? I'm not so sure..... Besides, SQ are still waiting for their new planes to come in, so they're incapacitated by the last of aircraft for the moment.

Quoting Klyk1980 (Reply 13):
Another one pulling out SIN....both NZ and OS. It seems SIN is lossing business as a stopover for flights between NZ/AUST and Europe.

But most of NZ/AUST traffic is carried on SQ, QF and BA. I don't think the loss will be substantial. If anything, it just points to the strength of SQ in the region.

Quoting Gardermoen (Reply 15):
Klyk1980 - dont forget SK pulled out as well recently.Thats three Star Alliance carriers in a short space of time.



Quoting Klyk1980 (Reply 20):
My concern is....SIN now becomes a solely SQ Star Alliance Hub....SQ/TG/NH/LH/UA/LX/SA

Is that necessarily a bad thing?


25 EK413 : It seems Virgin Atlantic (VS) picked a good time to commence services to Australia and who knows maybe pickup the Melbourne route too? EK413
26 HB-IWC : The closing of the Australia routes will free up 3 airframes for OS. Add to that the fourth B772 which is due to join the fleet, and OS is either to e
27 Gemuser : WHAT! SIN is still a One World hub: QF/BA/CX/JL, any others? Gemuser
28 Newkai : All right... Now OS can finally kick off that massive US expansion. Or, most likely, not at all. But apparently VIE-JFK is staying 2x daily / becoming
29 HB-IWC : VIE-ORD is almost sure to happen next year. I think that would be it, though, in terms of expansion.
30 Post contains images VH-BZF : Sad to see OS leave the Australian skies! BZF
31 VHVXB : Exactly is a QF mini Hub Well lets hope and I don't think they are doing that well on HKG-SYD
32 QF744 : There's still no official quote from OS regarding the cutting of services. As far as I'm aware, the services are continuing as normal indefinitely. Ch
33 Post contains links MAH4546 : Qualitative growth in our network, particularly against the background of the high kerosene prices, demands consistent optimisation of the route port
34 QF744 : So it is true after all. Well, that sucks! QF744
35 Planemanofnz : JL is not a oneworld member yet. Remember that. So does this mean that SIN and KUL won't be cut as they were not mentioned in the report?
36 HB-IWC : Since the statement says the Sydney and Melbourne routes, I presume that this includes Kuala Lumpur and Singapore as they are part of those routes.
37 Ka : Yes, SIN and KUL will be axed aswell. KA.
38 Gemuser : OK, OK! Close enough though! Gemuser
39 Cornish : Mmm perhaps an expansion into India might be on the cards among others. Everybody else is increasing flights there - why not more from OS ?
40 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : AY flies to SIN, too. But it still doesn't make it a oneworld hub. Now that OS will pull out, good luck for AY with their new KUL route starting May
41 The777Man : Less competition from Europe to Australia. I agree with HB-IWC that OS will add more flights to China. The777Man
42 Nzrich : Dont forget NZ as well
43 IberiaA319 : Last bookable Vienna-Sydney and Sydney-Vienna flight is on March 25, 2007
44 777way : Do any European airlines Cargo divisions still fly to Australia?
45 UAL777UK : I thought UA had/was appliying for that route authoirity?
46 VHVXB : i think LH does but i'm not sure
47 Airbuseric : MP is still flying AMS-SHJ-SYD by 74F aircraft.
48 Airbazar : I think the 777 will go too. They're in no condition to be paying for a brand new 777 and it makes no sense to have a fleet of 1 777 and 2 A340's. In
49 AirbusA6 : Are European carriers pulling out of Australia the first victory for EK's expansion plans? Lots of flights from European cities to DXB, then straight
50 VHVXB : EK are looking to go further. They want extra services to SYD, MEL and BNE but at the moment Aust. Govt. is not allowing them. They are also planning
51 Ka : Hello Airbazar, Just to clear things up: OS longhaul fleet as of now (JUL06): 3 B772ER in ops - 1 B772ER on order (JAN07) 2 A343 in ops 1 A342 in ops
52 AirbusA6 : At the moment, it seems that their non stop services to Aus are operated by A345s with 773s operating the services via BKK or SIN. Can the 77W fly di
53 NZ8800 : Perhaps he was getting at SQ will be the only star alliance airline at Singapore with other carriers pulling out (NZ/OS/SK) - and will others follow?
54 PUnmuth@VIE : They already have 3 and the fourth is due end 2006 / early 2007
55 Jaysit : How are the rest of their Asian routes doing?
56 Airbazar : Thanks for the clarification. I mis-understood an earlier post. In any case, new 777's cost money which they don't have and there's probably a better
57 The777Man : The 777 for Austrian is probably already in production since it takes about 6 months from when the first parts are manufactured to when the aircraft i
58 HanginOut : ATWonline reported that OS is also thinking of dropping one of its North American destinations (New York, Washington, or Toronto). They may also drop/
59 ETA Unknown : LH back to Australia- guarantee will not happen. LH has publically stated they make more money interlining pax via SQ/TG then flying their own metal d
60 HB-IWC : That's interesting, given the many questionable tactics they earlier used to get Niki Lauda out and take control of NG. And now they would get rid of
61 Post contains images A342 : The 767 does also get the new seats. But what I find interesting: The ENTIRE longhaul fleet (but not the sole A342) was supposed to get Connexion by
62 VHVXB : The B773ER can't fly non stop to Australia from DXB but the A345 can is easily do it.
63 6thfreedom : LH use to operate a round the world service with MD11 a few years ago. 3 pw FRA-USA-AKL-MEL-ASIA-FRA. these were axed about 12 months ago, in favour
64 FoxBravo : The 773ER can fly nonstop to Perth, and EK does use it on that route (at least at certain times of year).
65 VHVXB : obviously that is the west coast but i'm talking about the east (SYD, MEL, BNE) and I didn't know that EK had placed the B773ER on DXB-PER certains o
66 6thfreedom : From 1 dec, EK will operate the B773ER instead of A343 on DXB-PER. the other service will be B772. I'm surprised that EK hasn't upgraded their old B77
67 VHVXB : So from Dec 1 every city that EK now serves in Australia except BNE will have a double daily service. On top of that EK provide some good connections
68 6thfreedom : Not quite. EK is currently 11pw to PER, and is increasing to 14pw from 1 sept. the 1 dec date refers to the change of aircraft from A343 to B773ER. B
69 ZK-NBT : The 773ER can easily fly non stop to the East Coast from OZ, the A345 is a waste really but thay had the 345 before the 77W. It's about 14 hours DXB-
70 VHVXB : Ahh thanks for that 6th freedom and I guess there won't be any changes for a while after sept 1 with EK not being allow extra services to Aust. Silly
71 VORFMD : It seems the A343 will leave the Fleet and a fifth B772LR will come and it may be happen faster than you think. Not this year but "maybe" next year,
72 Ka : typo?? maybe B772ER?? KA.
73 6thfreedom : Perhaps this will be flicked over to UL so they can commence ops to Australia?
74 VORFMD : ahhh, sorry ER not LR of course !
75 VHVXB : Has Sri Lankan planned for services too Australia??
76 Connector4you : Why not trying Vienna to Vancouver or Seattle with a 772ER? There's no airline currently linking the North American West-Coast to Central-Eastern Euro
77 A342 : No, no, he talked about OS, not EK.
78 6thfreedom : Either or really... UL needs aircraft to open services to Australia. The A340 is ideal, so they could either take one of EK's machines, or a few of A
79 VHVXB : This is interesting news. I never knew UL planned for services to Australia. So if UL are to obtain OS or EK's A340 they have plans to come to Austra
80 6thfreedom : I would say direct... There is enough traffic from their Indian points, and some additional feed to/from Europe to sustain services without adding a
81 Planemanofnz : No they cannot. The heat at Dubai Airport for take off means the 77W is limited when coming to Australia (SYD,MEL), therefore they use the 345 as it
82 VHVXB : I agree especially being able to attract passengers from India with a direct service
83 Newkai : In any case, The 777s aren't going nowhere! Or better said, they are going somewhere with OS! So quit the rumors that OS will get rid of them. Here's
84 Ka : But therefor you have to sell these seats (which will be not too easy on many routes ex Vienna year-round). KA.
85 HB-IWC : I also start wondering for which destinations OS will be able to fill a B772 year round. I'd presume they would be dispatched on some India and China
86 ZK-NBT : Yes they can easily do it! You had better go and tell EK that they can't since they will at some stage operate the 77W non stop to the West Coast of
87 Planemanofnz : The West and Eastern coasts of Australia are 2 very different things ZK-NBT! We were talking about the East Coast of Australia (SYD, MEL and BNE) not
88 ZK-NBT : My bad I meant East Coast. They will get to SYD non stop ex DXB one way or another and I don't think they will be restricted. I don't think they will
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