Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8685 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (8 years 18 hours ago) and read 9554 times:
Aren't they a low cost carrier? I mean, it's the whole business model of an LCC that doesn't allow for F class! Think about it, a B6 F pax could and would expect amenities such as lounges, which add expenses. Then bear in mind fleet interchangeability can lower costs, but what would happen if an all-economy B6 plane needed to be replaced but only an F+Y plane was available? The left-behind passengers wouldn't be too happy.
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JetBlueNYFL From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 18 hours ago) and read 9530 times:
Not having different cabins greatly reduces costs. Especially in this day in age, when the majority of first class seats are paid for with miles or elite status upgrades it is not that lucrative any more.
Also, jetBlue does not fly extremely long haul international, so their max flight duration is 6 hours east-west...although the space would be nice, there is much room with 32-34" (or 36"+ in the exit rows), a 1" wider seat and excellent IFE. The only thing lacking is a gourmet meal...but bring one of your own onboard for less than eating a crappy airline meal! Free snacks are good though.
Plus, on jetBlue...it's jetBlue class! No first class seats.....no second class citizens!
Skyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 17 hours ago) and read 9487 times:
They are into a market segment not tackled correctly by other airlines. They target the middle to high manager in medium and short houl flights. And with their prices they get the companies to sign deals with them. This way, the manager can NOT choose the airlines and the company does it for him/her. This happens at a british bank subsidiary in USA (where I use to work) that flys a lot between NYC and Buffalo where the head quarters are. So everyone gets to fly Jetblue, jejeje. And for the short flight it is great having PTV. Excelent strategy by Jetblue LCC system with semi-premium service.
FXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7189 posts, RR: 86
Reply 6, posted (8 years 16 hours ago) and read 9353 times:
I love the marketing behind the radio ads for B6. With the caller asking if the Direct TV is gonna be on his bill because he doesn't want his coworkers knowing he's gonna enjoy the PTV on his flight, instead of working.
SpazolaJBLULGB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 hours ago) and read 9071 times:
[quote=Garri767,reply=7][/quoI hope you enjoyed the XM Radio on that Air Whatever flight which was installed in MCO by Live Tv owned by B6!!! Since when has an MD-80 been more comfortable than a A-320 except for maybe Midwest Express with 80 pax on it? "SPAZ"
EridanMan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 hours ago) and read 9039 times:
Perhaps this is because of my active dislike of the whole concept of first class (as a passenger, not from a business perspective), but I _really_ don't see any need for B6 to go that route.
I _would_ like to see them expand their rewards program a bit (or maybe, just _maybe_ get rid of (or extend) that !@#$! points expiring after 2 years... i've been in the 80s twice in the past two years, only to have points slip away pushing me back down... grr)
Selcalcheckok From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 hours ago) and read 8958 times:
Spirit has an affordable business class service. You really just pay for the seat and free drinks. I could see Jetblue doing something like they do. But if they did I think Jetblue's concept would be totally reversed. * Even though they are not really that cheap anymore anyway....
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4742 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 hours ago) and read 8919 times:
Quoting SpazolaJBLULGB (Reply 8): hope you enjoyed the XM Radio on that Air Whatever flight which was installed in MCO by Live Tv owned by B6!!! Since when has an MD-80 been more comfortable than a A-320 except for maybe Midwest Express with 80 pax on it? "SPAZ"
What does the MD80have to do with anything? "SPAZ?"
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 hours ago) and read 8876 times:
Its funny... people in here often discuss how JetBlue having a second fleet type was a variation from their original business model. To me, if they were to put in a First or Biz Class, this would represent a much bigger departure from the original business model than adding the E190s was.
Supa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 hours ago) and read 8741 times:
JetBlue's denial of profitable things such as premium cabins and Europe service is really quite arrogant.
Tons of rich NYCers would pay double for premium class. LCC premium class is a proven method that I do not need to explain here.
Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 3): Not having different cabins greatly reduces costs. Especially in this day in age, when the majority of first class seats are paid for with miles or elite status upgrades it is not that lucrative any more.
Huh? An E-190 with 11 F has 99 seats. So you lose 1, which typically is fine.
An A320 with 150 seats (12F) is possible too. You do lose some seat pitch... all airlines have analyzed this and concluded F is worth its weight (LCC or otherwise). JetBlue, being based in NYC, could not in its right mind conclude otherwise... my suspicion is B6 does not take financial analysis seriously. Just their mantras.
717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 hour ago) and read 8684 times:
Quoting Garri767 (Reply 7): airTran is the perfect example, as they operate a very successful (and comfortable , ive experienced ) business class and it gets a lot of attention from pax.
Yes FL does have a nice biz class and I got to enjoy it many times while
taking advantage of my flight benes, but it comes at the expense of the
poor soul in the back that has to endure a tight 30-31 inch DVT inducing
seat pitch. I would much rather fly on a single class LCC like B6 or WN
where everyone has a tolerable seat pitch and good service throughout
the cabin, not limited to the front end behind the now popular mesh
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years ago) and read 8569 times:
Quoting B777-700 (Reply 18): The biggest load of crap in airline marketing I think I've heard, ever.
That would go to Song. (My opinion, and I am joking).
But seeing you brought it up, how is this crap? Clearly JetBlue does not have a first class, so you can't be arguing with that part of the line. So you must have an issue with "no second class citizens". This seems right on to me. I've been snubbed on more than one occasion at one of the other airlines because I was travelling coach and not First. Screw that! And, frankly, I think the coach product at JetBlue rivals or exceeds coach in many other US airlines. Nothing second class about that.
Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 16): JetBlue's denial of profitable things such as premium cabins and Europe service is really quite arrogant.
Arrogant? Now that's funny. Pesonally, I find nothing arrogant with democratically treating all passengers in the same manner. Its efficient, economical and it works for countless other LCCs around the world, so why not New York? Are New Yorkers typically more arrogant than people in other cities, is this what you are trying to say?
The last thing NY needs is another two-class airline. I think having one class, and doing it well, is one of JetBlue's strongest values and I doubt Neeleman regrets this decision at all.
B777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years ago) and read 8547 times:
Quoting Richierich (Reply 20): This seems right on to me. I've been snubbed on more than one occasion at one of the other airlines because I was travelling coach and not First. Screw that! And, frankly, I think the coach product at JetBlue rivals or exceeds coach in many other US airlines. Nothing second class about that.
Because everyone has the option of buying first, or business or coach. No one 'feels bad' because they bought a coach seat, and if you do, you're an idiot.
It's Jetblue labeling other airlines passengers, and that's exactly what's BS about it.
Jetblue is playing on peoples emotions. And I'm sorry if you think Jetblue's $500 pax get the same treatment as the $50 ones when push comes to shove. You'd be fooling yourself.
I dunno about all that, but if they were, exactly how does that differ from just about every other marketing scheme from any other company, airline or not? To sell a product, wouldn't someone want to play on emotions to spark the much-needed attention to that product that would potentially lead to a sale?
Quoting B777-700 (Reply 21): And I'm sorry if you think Jetblue's $500 pax get the same treatment as the $50 ones when push comes to shove. You'd be fooling yourself.
Same (or different) treatment from whom, exactly? The customer service agents? Flight attendants? Pilots? Ground Crew? David Neeleman? My apologies, but as an inflight crewmember, I don't make it a point to look at the passenger manifest to see who paid what for a ticket (and then using that info to determine what kind of service they should receive). The only reason I would possibly look at the manifest is to find someone who may be on the wrong flight, or someone who's creating a disturbance. Thankfully, the latter hasn't happened on any of my flights.