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JetBlue First Class, Where Are You?  
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7366 posts, RR: 85
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9760 times:
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Hearing so much about the AUS-BOS and AUS-JFK n/s service by B6. It all sounds great.

What is up with B6 not having a F class? I'm sure they could come up with some great new edition to premium classes.

Any comments on this are appreciated.

I took this one the other day at AUS.


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8770 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9744 times:

Aren't they a low cost carrier? I mean, it's the whole business model of an LCC that doesn't allow for F class! Think about it, a B6 F pax could and would expect amenities such as lounges, which add expenses. Then bear in mind fleet interchangeability can lower costs, but what would happen if an all-economy B6 plane needed to be replaced but only an F+Y plane was available? The left-behind passengers wouldn't be too happy.


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User currently offlineHannigan From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9720 times:

The whole plane is first class jeez. (someone was going to say it eventually)


We got planes! We got gates! What the hell!
User currently offlineJetBlueNYFL From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9720 times:

Not having different cabins greatly reduces costs. Especially in this day in age, when the majority of first class seats are paid for with miles or elite status upgrades it is not that lucrative any more.

Also, jetBlue does not fly extremely long haul international, so their max flight duration is 6 hours east-west...although the space would be nice, there is much room with 32-34" (or 36"+ in the exit rows), a 1" wider seat and excellent IFE. The only thing lacking is a gourmet meal...but bring one of your own onboard for less than eating a crappy airline meal! Free snacks are good though.

Plus, on jetBlue...it's jetBlue class! No first class seats.....no second class citizens!



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User currently offlineSkyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9677 times:

They are into a market segment not tackled correctly by other airlines. They target the middle to high manager in medium and short houl flights. And with their prices they get the companies to sign deals with them. This way, the manager can NOT choose the airlines and the company does it for him/her. This happens at a british bank subsidiary in USA (where I use to work) that flys a lot between NYC and Buffalo where the head quarters are. So everyone gets to fly Jetblue, jejeje. And for the short flight it is great having PTV. Excelent strategy by Jetblue LCC system with semi-premium service.

User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9644 times:

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
I'm sure they could come up with some great new edition to premium classes.

My dream come true. Something a la FL.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
I mean, it's the whole business model of an LCC that doesn't allow for F class!

Air Tran comes to mind when I think of a successful LCC Business Class. I'm sure the business traverlers are very greatful to have the more personal and quiet cabin for a little extra cash.

[Edited 2006-07-26 02:07:44]

User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7366 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9543 times:
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I love the marketing behind the radio ads for B6. With the caller asking if the Direct TV is gonna be on his bill because he doesn't want his coworkers knowing he's gonna enjoy the PTV on his flight, instead of working.

Would love to see a J class on their new Airbus.  bouncy 


User currently offlineGarri767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9543 times:

airTran is the perfect example, as they operate a very successful (and comfortable , ive experienced Big grin) business class and it gets a lot of attention from pax.




Garri767


User currently offlineSpazolaJBLULGB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9261 times:

[quote=Garri767,reply=7][/quoI hope you enjoyed the XM Radio on that Air Whatever flight which was installed in MCO by Live Tv owned by B6!!! Since when has an MD-80 been more comfortable than a A-320 except for maybe Midwest Express with 80 pax on it? "SPAZ"

User currently offlineEridanMan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9229 times:

Perhaps this is because of my active dislike of the whole concept of first class (as a passenger, not from a business perspective), but I _really_ don't see any need for B6 to go that route.

I _would_ like to see them expand their rewards program a bit (or maybe, just _maybe_ get rid of (or extend) that !@#$! points expiring after 2 years... i've been in the 80s twice in the past two years, only to have points slip away pushing me back down... grr)


User currently offlineFlyGuyClt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9225 times:

jetBlue First Class Where Are You?


On that AA MD80 taxiing by? (just a thought)

Safe Flying  Smile



Florida Express, Braniff II and ......
User currently offlineEridanMan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9205 times:

Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 10):


On that AA MD80 taxiing by? (just a thought)

Safe Flying Smile

Yeah... just pray to god you don't have to change your reservation for any reason.


User currently offlineSelcalcheckok From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9148 times:

Spirit has an affordable business class service. You really just pay for the seat and free drinks. I could see Jetblue doing something like they do. But if they did I think Jetblue's concept would be totally reversed. * Even though they are not really that cheap anymore anyway....

ck


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4764 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9109 times:

Quoting SpazolaJBLULGB (Reply 8):
hope you enjoyed the XM Radio on that Air Whatever flight which was installed in MCO by Live Tv owned by B6!!! Since when has an MD-80 been more comfortable than a A-320 except for maybe Midwest Express with 80 pax on it? "SPAZ"

What does the MD80have to do with anything? "SPAZ?"



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4298 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9066 times:

Its funny... people in here often discuss how JetBlue having a second fleet type was a variation from their original business model. To me, if they were to put in a First or Biz Class, this would represent a much bigger departure from the original business model than adding the E190s was.


None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8999 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 14):
To me, if they were to put in a First or Biz Class, this would represent a much bigger departure from the original business model than adding the E190s was.

My thoughts exactly!



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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8931 times:

JetBlue's denial of profitable things such as premium cabins and Europe service is really quite arrogant.

Tons of rich NYCers would pay double for premium class. LCC premium class is a proven method that I do not need to explain here.

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 3):
Not having different cabins greatly reduces costs. Especially in this day in age, when the majority of first class seats are paid for with miles or elite status upgrades it is not that lucrative any more.

Huh? An E-190 with 11 F has 99 seats. So you lose 1, which typically is fine.

An A320 with 150 seats (12F) is possible too. You do lose some seat pitch... all airlines have analyzed this and concluded F is worth its weight (LCC or otherwise). JetBlue, being based in NYC, could not in its right mind conclude otherwise... my suspicion is B6 does not take financial analysis seriously. Just their mantras.


User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8874 times:

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 7):
airTran is the perfect example, as they operate a very successful (and comfortable , ive experienced ) business class and it gets a lot of attention from pax.

Yes FL does have a nice biz class and I got to enjoy it many times while
taking advantage of my flight benes, but it comes at the expense of the
poor soul in the back that has to endure a tight 30-31 inch DVT inducing
seat pitch. I would much rather fly on a single class LCC like B6 or WN
where everyone has a tolerable seat pitch and good service throughout
the cabin, not limited to the front end behind the now popular mesh
curtain.



72S 733 734 735 73G 738 742 752 763 E190 M82 M83
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8868 times:

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 3):
No first class seats.....no second class citizens!

The biggest load of crap in airline marketing I think I've heard, ever.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21588 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8862 times:

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 7):
airTran is the perfect example, as they operate a very successful (and comfortable , ive experienced ) business class and it gets a lot of attention from pax.

I know a few people who flew FL because I told them it had J class and they checked the price and it was better than F prices into florida. Go figure.

Quoting 717-200 (Reply 17):
DVT inducing seat pitch.

Read up on DVT before you make silly statements about seat pitch doing anything to bring it on, lest you die of it sitting in your J seat...



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4298 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8759 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 18):
The biggest load of crap in airline marketing I think I've heard, ever.

Nope.
That would go to Song. (My opinion, and I am joking).
But seeing you brought it up, how is this crap? Clearly JetBlue does not have a first class, so you can't be arguing with that part of the line. So you must have an issue with "no second class citizens". This seems right on to me. I've been snubbed on more than one occasion at one of the other airlines because I was travelling coach and not First. Screw that! And, frankly, I think the coach product at JetBlue rivals or exceeds coach in many other US airlines. Nothing second class about that.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 16):
JetBlue's denial of profitable things such as premium cabins and Europe service is really quite arrogant.

Arrogant? Now that's funny. Pesonally, I find nothing arrogant with democratically treating all passengers in the same manner. Its efficient, economical and it works for countless other LCCs around the world, so why not New York? Are New Yorkers typically more arrogant than people in other cities, is this what you are trying to say?

The last thing NY needs is another two-class airline. I think having one class, and doing it well, is one of JetBlue's strongest values and I doubt Neeleman regrets this decision at all.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8737 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 20):
This seems right on to me. I've been snubbed on more than one occasion at one of the other airlines because I was travelling coach and not First. Screw that! And, frankly, I think the coach product at JetBlue rivals or exceeds coach in many other US airlines. Nothing second class about that.

Because everyone has the option of buying first, or business or coach. No one 'feels bad' because they bought a coach seat, and if you do, you're an idiot.

It's Jetblue labeling other airlines passengers, and that's exactly what's BS about it.

Jetblue is playing on peoples emotions. And I'm sorry if you think Jetblue's $500 pax get the same treatment as the $50 ones when push comes to shove. You'd be fooling yourself.


User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1188 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

Quoting EridanMan (Reply 11):
Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 10):


On that AA MD80 taxiing by? (just a thought)

Safe Flying Smile

Yeah... just pray to god you don't have to change your reservation for any reason.

Well, since we are discussing the business class in that MD 80 taxiing by, there would not be a penalty to change a business class seat, right? Just a thought, of course.

FLY2LIM



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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 21):
Because everyone has the option of buying first, or business or coach. No one 'feels bad' because they bought a coach seat, and if you do, you're an idiot.

Umm, not quite following here; why *would* someone "feel bad" buying a coach seat? It's not like you don't know what you're getting into, or snubbing someone else (who, on B6, is also flying coach).

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 21):
Jetblue is playing on peoples emotions.

I dunno about all that, but if they were, exactly how does that differ from just about every other marketing scheme from any other company, airline or not? To sell a product, wouldn't someone want to play on emotions to spark the much-needed attention to that product that would potentially lead to a sale?


Quoting B777-700 (Reply 21):
And I'm sorry if you think Jetblue's $500 pax get the same treatment as the $50 ones when push comes to shove. You'd be fooling yourself.

Same (or different) treatment from whom, exactly? The customer service agents? Flight attendants? Pilots? Ground Crew? David Neeleman? My apologies, but as an inflight crewmember, I don't make it a point to look at the passenger manifest to see who paid what for a ticket (and then using that info to determine what kind of service they should receive). The only reason I would possibly look at the manifest is to find someone who may be on the wrong flight, or someone who's creating a disturbance. Thankfully, the latter hasn't happened on any of my flights.

[Edited 2006-07-26 19:58:04]


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21588 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8689 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 21):
Jetblue is playing on peoples emotions

Actually, they are playing the class against class game. Considering they were bankrolled by one of the richest, most manipulative men on the face of the earth, I find it laughable.



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25 Richierich : But if there were F pax, they'd be noticed wouldn't they?? Everybody is treated the same on JetBlue.. I guess for the people that need to feel self-i
26 Post contains images B777-700 : Well, according to Jetblue with this 'no second class treatment' nonsense, any passenger that bought a coach seat on an airline that has a 2 cabin ai
27 JetBlueAUS : When they say that it means that they treat everyone with the same respect. Everyone gets the same inflight service, great customer service, and so o
28 B777-700 : Than that's how they need to promote it. They took the negative route. And 'great customer service' is subjective. Of course! When you pay for more s
29 JetBluefan1 : To answer the thread starter's question, JetBlue does not have a First Class because the Coach product that they offer is already superior to the stan
30 Post contains images B777-700 : ...in your opinion. Nope, clearly you don't see what I'm getting at.
31 Richierich : So what? He is allowed to book travel on who he likes and also invest in who he chooses. Welcome to America. Actually, I'd be surprised if Soros flew
32 Post contains images JetBlueNYFL : Yes, but those 11 F seats would not be lucrative because: 1. the E190 is used on shorter flights under 1,800 miles and 2. less first class seats are
33 JetBluefan1 : Since I don't understand what you're attempting to say, then please clarify your statement. Despite what you think, JetBlue hardly promotes its one-c
34 JetBlueGuy2006 : There is no need for B6 to have a F class. There are so many other ammenities that they offer on board and in the terminal, everyone enjoys themselves
35 MAH4546 : airTran, ATA, and Spirit all offer business class.
36 Post contains images Yirmiyahu :   [Edited 2006-07-26 23:33:40]
37 Touchdown777 : Why would one need first class on B6? Leather seats, friendly service, however, I would vouch to have all alcoholic drinks included, though ... T7
38 Post contains images B777-700 : So how exactly is this different than JetBlue's perpetuated thought that legacies treat coach pax a 'second class citizens? Aren't people allowed to
39 JetBlueAUS : On every airline, you have the good and the bad. JetBlue is no different. I am sure that not every JetBlue crewmember will have a smile on their face
40 JetBlueNYFL : I'm not even going to waste my time replying to the rest of your same old, boring case about jetBlue. I truly commend some other members here on a.net
41 FLYACYYZ : RIGHT ON!! In simple terms, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
42 Halls120 : How can JetBlue claim to be the best airline, based on "the majority of the domestic flying public's opinion" when it isn't even on the top 10 ten li
43 NASBWI : I don't know exactly where this "second-class citizen" stuff was dreamed up, but from the arguments I've read, all I can deduce is that I think a lot
44 Richierich : Seeing you are obviously much more aware what the G-man is flying than I am, I still come back to the "so what?" If I had hundreds of millions of dol
45 Brilondon : That is right in a sense as you would like to think that a person should be accorded a little extra attention when they have chosen your service or p
46 Richierich : As to why they win awards, maybe the answer is in your second statement "a great job of providing an excellent Y product". I like JetBlue because the
47 Post contains images B777-700 : You just...don't...get it...do ya Scott? How much they payin' ya? Let me just say something here...If you can get me and Halls to agree on something,
48 Post contains images Halls120 : I'm not saying they do. But the "awards" are subject to manipulation. When I take my car into the Acura dealer for service, they are very attentive a
49 Post contains images NASBWI : Again, please find me a specific example (if only for my own reference) because I fail to see that.    Why not? Yes, in an ideal world, all custome
50 Post contains images Richierich : I think you are way off base, dude. Of course they are a means to get to point B from point A. No sh!t. If that's all every airline means, then why b
51 Post contains images B777-700 : Naaa...No way. Jetblue is just like first class, remember? Anyway, you guys say all this stuff and continue to argue with me as if it's going to chan
52 Richierich : Please enjoy parting with your money for less-than-JetBlue service on some other airline. It will make both of us very happy. I hope you remember thi
53 JetBluefan1 : JetBlue is arrogant for not having First Class, going into ATL, and not offering service to Europe. JetBlue is negative toward other airlines and has
54 Post contains images Richierich : LOVE IT!!!
55 Post contains images NASBWI : What kind of consideration are you talking about? I meant to ask you that earlier. Since B6 offers the same inflight experience to everyone (as far a
56 Post contains images Steeler83 : The way I look at it, it seems that to an extent, B6 is all biz class for the price of coach... think about it... leather seats, the IFE, etc... That
57 CTHEWORLD : UH, who gave you that little bit of wrong information? Now go get another glass of blue koolaid.
58 Post contains images B777-700 : I have yet to experience this, on all the airlines I've flown. I've been satisfied on all of them. I travel to get to my destination. PTV's don't mat
59 Gigneil : I have to admit, this takes the cake as one of the worst a.net threads of all times. Congratulations to everyone that worked hard to make it happen. N
60 Richierich : Again, stupidissimo, JetBlue does not do this, except under the most rare of circumstances. What is so hard to figure out? Other airlines make it an
61 Richierich : No denying this, and I am very sorry that I felt the need to defend my position. It doesn't make me a better person but sometimes the level of arroga
62 JetBlueNYFL : Well, the world does not revolve around you. PTV's and Dunkin Donuts coffee makes a difference to many others - not everyone - but the majority. It's
63 B777-700 : If you honestly, truly believe that...than you have lost your mind. Gulp gulp gulp....ahhhh...blue kool aide tastes good huh? I've never done this. A
64 Richierich : I've seen it firsthand myself - I happened to be on such a flight. He was preboarded, then treated exactly the same. I sat 4 rows behind him. Do you
65 Post contains images Richierich : This seems to be the crux of the issue and the part that BS777 seems to have the most trouble with. TrueBlue, as I understand it, is a rewards progra
66 Post contains images Halls120 : Jeez, Hell just keeps freezing over. Must be why its so hot up here. If this were the French Revolution, I suspect that Richie and all the other B6 f
67 Post contains images Richierich : How about because celebs travel infrequently? If you read my words, I said they made "special" arrangements by pre-boarding him, probably for his own
68 Post contains images JetBluefan1 : The above quotes imply your labeling of JetBlue supporters as idiots - seeing as that we are "pathetic" and don't understand what you're "tell(ing)"
69 Post contains images Richierich : Amen to this. I'd go to war with B777 (most likely) and fight side by side with him. But we can't have a decent argument in airliners.net!!!
70 Post contains images Halls120 : Why draw a line between "celebrities" and the rest of your customers? How is it any different when I'm allowed to board a legacy carrier before an oc
71 Richierich : I think because safety is an issue, as well as helping along the boarding process. Can't say the same about "regular" First Class passengers... The l
72 Scintx : Hot Dang! I learned something new. Seriously I didn't know JetBlue didn't have first class. I haven't had the chance to fly them. They seem to be doin
73 Post contains images B777-700 : As well it should be. Are telling me that Jetblue, when it comes down to it, would put a one time $49 leasure traveler on the last non stop flight of
74 Halls120 : I'm not twisting anything. JetBlue draws a line between its customers in the same manner as do the legacies - admittedly the line is drawn father to
75 Richierich : This is exactly what I am saying. As far as I know, it is completely accurate. I have made a small exception for celebs but this occurs so infrequent
76 Post contains images B777-700 : Ok, great. Here it is in print for all to read. If you fly on full Y tkts, on a weekly basis, for years with Jetblue, you mean nothing more to them t
77 Post contains images Halls120 : I'm not twisting anything. I concede your recitation of the facts, that the times when Jetblue makes exceptions are few and far between. But that mea
78 Richierich : Come on, you know better than that. Twist, twist, twist. As long as it suits you, keep twisting and mincing my words. I see how it is, and so does ev
79 Post contains images Sllevin : To quote Jeremy Clarkson of the BBC's Top Gear: "That's like saying I've got syphillis, the best of the venereal diseases!" Steve
80 JetBlueNYFL : WRONG. Because meaning nothing more to them than a one-time $49 customer is not bad at all! Since everyone is treated equally and fair, the one-time
81 B777-700 : It's simply breath-taking how you defend this practice, and promote it too! I hope some of Jetblue's loyal customers are reading this. It's very clea
82 PolymerPlane : How about this, Jetblue can easily treat the coach class customers as it is right now, and treat the F class customers a little bit better. Your argu
83 Post contains images NASBWI : Not quite ya gotta read what I wrote more carefully. Unless we have different perspectives on the word "treatment", what I'm getting at is that a cus
84 JetBlueNYFL : I'm sorry, you just don't get it. EVERYONE who flies jetBlue is treated EQUALLY (even their most loyal customers) which is GOOD because the less freq
85 PolymerPlane : Everything you said has nothing to do with whether jetblue is offering premium class or not. You can still have the same great service from jetblue w
86 Post contains images Halls120 : Inhumane? This is one of the reasons why people accuse B6 fans of drinking the kool aid. Not satisfied with the attributes B6 offers, you've got to p
87 WesternA318 : Since it doesnt say jetBlue on the side. LOL
88 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : And the legacy's have always ahd nice ads. You can't buy a B6 ticket on Orbitz. They want you to buy from them so they can regulate the price so it d
89 Post contains images Richierich : No biggie, man. OK - all passengers except celebrities? And even they are treated the same whilst ON THE AIRCRAFT. Yes, I would call that twisting my
90 Halls120 : Great. If I want to be treated equally, I can fly B6. But if I want more legroom, and a chance to upgrade to an even better class of service than B6
91 Richierich : I am more reasonable than you think I am, Halls. Given those choices, $10 extra doesn't sound like a bad deal for the things that are important to yo
92 Halls120 : According to seatguru.com, B6 has 32-24" of pitch. UA's Y+ is 36". Well, since we've already established that the price between B6 and UA is virtuall
93 Post contains images JetBlueNYFL : 32" - 34" seat pitch on B6 Also, the 36" in Economy Plus on United is very nice, however it is not the majority of the plane that is outfitted with t
94 Post contains images NASBWI : I think it's fair to say (and one would think we would've figured this out dozens of threads ago!) that the legacy supporters and B6 supporters will n
95 Richierich : Congrats, you found one price that was $10 higher. Are you going to tell me that UA is ALWAYS only $10 higher than JetBlue? The answer, of course, is
96 Halls120 : There are only two reasons I'd fly last minute to OAK from IAD - business or a death in the family. And in both cases, I'd go UA. Here's why. Busines
97 B777-700 : No, they're not. End of story. Yes, there is something wrong with that. I honestly don't believe I have to spell this out for you again. Imagine you
98 Ikramerica : Often, unless you are flying last minute. Biggest lie of the LCC perpetuated on these forums. LCC means low cost, not low fare. When I book in advanc
99 JetBlueNYFL : Who are you to say that the "redneck in the tank top flying on the $49 fare" does not have to get to his destination just as urgent as the "big busin
100 WesternA318 : Funny, the only airlines that have treated me and others like dirt ARE the LCC's. Hmm... BTW...LCC's are just as guilty of treating pax like crap. Sh
101 JetBlueAUS : Well, this is coming from either a Continental employee or a Continental loyal customer (Which isn't a bad thing, because here in TX, CO is one of th
102 Steeler83 : I hate that crap myself. I am not a B6 kool-aid drinker, cheerleader, blue-shades wearer, etc... myself either... B777-700, that above statement rega
103 Post contains images B777-700 : Right lets see here. I make a joke, you don't get it, and I'm the one w/out a sense of humor ...and you just lost a high paying frequent flyer to a c
104 WesternA318 : LOL 777, for once I'm on your side. I'll come back witha reply when I have a bit more time to reply, but for now, man, you got it!
105 Post contains images JetBlueAUS : The only problem is, on 98% of the JetBlue flights I've been on. The JetBlue employees have always been more outgoing than other flights I've been on
106 Post contains images B777-700 : Oh sure...I can always count on the Kool aide drinkers for well thought out things like 'the inhumane treatment on all other airlines'...and 'Jetblue
107 JetBlueAUS : Also, no one is forcing you to like JetBlue. (Like you claim.) You are taking it entirely the wrong way. I am sticking up for a company that has give
108 Post contains images SQ452 : I don't see how this is something that people think B6 should actually consider...seeing that their profits are slipping (or not even there!). Like ma
109 Post contains images JetBlueAUS : Thank you for getting the thread back on track. I completely agree. I think JetBlue should stay a one-class airline. For reasons already explained.
110 Post contains images SQ452 : No problem, I hate it when it gets sidetracked.... As for you in AUS, I think you are more likely to see B6 expanded service than first class in B6. D
111 Post contains images B777-700 : I'm not so sure about that. I just have a hard time believing that a common passenger would like an airline so much that they would behave the way yo
112 Post contains images Halls120 : Wait a minute. Last time I was in Oakland, I saw a B6 billboard ad that said "We like you too." Are you saying that B6 hates some of us???? If it is
113 JetBlueAUS : I am not an employee for JetBlue. Infact, I can't even work for an airline for three more years because I am fifteen years old. Close ties? The close
114 Post contains images B777-700 : Oh, that explains it! Que the 'you're age biased' and 'just because I'm 15 doesn't mean I can't have an opinion' replies...
115 Post contains images JetBlueAUS : No actually. I am not biased at all. Infact, I fly airlines like CO, WN, and UA more than I do JetBlue. Its true that I cannot stand WN, but they the
116 JetBlueNYFL : Have you ever heard of exaggeration? I don't literally mean that legacy airlines treat their customers in an inhumane manner - but very, very close t
117 B777-700 : No, not at all. Next... To the point that you do, yes. Hahaha, again, no. No they don't. You're kidding yourself. I also see you're most likely a kid
118 Halls120 : I think the aforementioned sign has become permanent. Airlines don't hate people. Perhaps when you grow up, you'll realize this. I have to give credi
119 Post contains links JetBlueNYFL : Who are you to determine at what point loving a company has gone too far? It's not a FACT that you can love a company too much. Did you ever hear the
120 Halls120 : I suspect that if you stopped 100 people on the street, and told them about the Starbucks guy, 99 would agree that his fascination was really an obse
121 JetBlueNYFL : You're probably right...99 out of 100 would say he is crazy. But, those people just don't know what a fascination with a quality company really is. A
122 Post contains links JetBlueNYFL : A litttle off topic, but for those of you interested, here is that website: http://www.starbuckseverywhere.net/
123 JetBlueAUS : Don't even bring up this "13-15" year old age group crap. At least I try to make my posts as intellectual as I can make them. Just because I am 15, d
124 Post contains images Steeler83 : Honestly, do people really have to stoop to make a stereotypical falacy only to make their arguments look even remotely credible? People flame me for
125 Post contains images Halls120 : Please learn to read what people post. I didn't say the guy was crazy. I said he had an obsession. There is a difference. He has an obsession, like a
126 Steeler83 : There are also child prodegies though...
127 Post contains images Halls120 : Yes, there are. But I don't think many of them are currently posting on Anet.
128 B777-700 : Hey...another prediction of mine comes true... Anyway...now that I know you all are mostly kids, this isn't fun any more. I'm not going to get into a
129 Post contains images JetBlueAUS : Unarmed? What do you mean? I have given you a lengthy argument, and I believe I am the only 15 year old. Most of my fellow JetBlue supporters are in
130 Post contains images Steeler83 : Yeah, ur probably right. They're all involved in chess matches and political debates
131 Post contains images JetBluefan1 : LOL. Or maybe they have AP summer assignments to complete and extracurricular activities to attent No one should chastise JetBlueAUS for his age. I'm
132 Post contains images Steeler83 : Yeah, that's another funny to add to what the prodegies are doing Something else to add though, and this kinda pokes fun at the politicians!!! All of
133 JetBlueNYFL : JetBluefan1, you are brilliant...too bad not everyone on here sees things the way you do. My interest in aviation dates back to the first flight (airp
134 Post contains images JetBluefan1 : Sorry, spelling error. It should be "extracurricular activities to attend." As someone who was in AP courses (see above), I'm a stickler for spelling
135 WesternA318 : If themajority of the flying public was elite, there would be no point to having an "elite" level, now would there? Still pretty young, as am I.
136 JetBlueNYFL : Of course not! I agree with you - but that is not the point I was trying to make. I'm saying that since not the majority of the traveling public is o
137 Post contains images Steeler83 : DING DING DING!!!! and we have a winner! That's why I consider B6 to be all business class pretty much, but for the price of coach in that regard!
138 Halls120 : You obviously don't fly in real business class all that often.
139 Steeler83 : Hmmm.... your assumption is correct... any ideas why??? maybe it has something to do with the legacy biz class being... ohhh... a little on the exorb
140 CTHEWORLD : Ok, i have thought about it, what makes a jetBlue seat any wider than other A320s out there? What makes 32-33" inches of pitch anything more than tha
141 JetBlueNYFL : Not every U.S. airline (very few, actually) flies the A320. Therefore, jetBlue's seats are about 1" wider than average which makes a difference on lo
142 Halls120 : I fly in real business class 30-50% of the time, and I never pay full business fare. It's called upgrades for frequent fliers. UA and the other legac
143 Post contains images NASBWI : I know you're not trying to knock the efforts of our FAs, but given how hard some of us work to please all of our customers, it's probably not a good
144 Post contains images Richierich : I can't believe this thread is still going on. I can't believe there is still anything left to debate, honestly. I've been scanning the most recent re
145 Post contains images Halls120 : I'm NOT knocking the efforts of any FA. I think they have a thankless job for which they are grossly underpaid. Let's take my last upgrade - in a UA
146 Richierich : Thanks. Lets just leave it at that. I can respect a difference of opinion. Right. Again, lets just say that I can respect a difference of opinion. I
147 B777-700 : Answer the question...
148 JetBluefan1 : The higher-fare passenger will most likely get the seat if they are both at the stand at the same time. Chances are that this would work on a first-c
149 B777-700 : Chances are...you just lost a high paying, loyal customer to a competitor. Ok, so the 'Jetblue experience' only applies when you're on the plane... I
150 Richierich : If the redneck B777 so elegantly portrays was at the gate just one minute earlier, he would get the seat. He wouldn't later be bumped. So in the exam
151 B777-700 : Didn't say anything about 'one minute later'. They're both there. Yea, nice try. Now try answering it.
152 Richierich : Then so be it. I'm sure most people would be compensated and understand. As I said, I think that your example is unrealistic and incitful - you are t
153 JetBluefan1 : Depends. If the person is loyal to JetBlue, chances are that they won't let this one incident change their opinion to the degree of jumping ship. Now
154 B777-700 : Please show this response at every job interview. Then call 911 after your potential employer laughs themselves to death. So what you're saying is wh
155 Post contains images Richierich : As I said, it was an unrealistic scenario dreamed up by somebody looking for a fault line. Clearly the current policies can be tweaked and changed as
156 B777-700 : Based on my experience in the industry, it's a very likely situation. People get rebooked based on their valure to the company / ticket price. It's p
157 Richierich : JetBlue doesn't cancel flights too often, so I really am not sure how likely this scenario is. When they do cancel flights, I am quite sure the reboo
158 Post contains images B777-700 : Cancels, delays, misconx, bag issues... I'm quite sure that's a ridiculously irresponsible way to do business. I hope word never gets out about that.
159 Post contains images Richierich : Sure - they all happen, albeit less frequently on B6 than other airlines. And when they do, you'll be thrilled to know everybody is treated equally a
160 WMUPilot : Let me get this straight. So say United cancels a flight. Are you sitting there and telling me that the gate or reservation agents go into each PNR a
161 ILUVAA : First JetBlue (JB/JBU) is a LOW-COST carrier that means a no thrills airline. I don't think first class service fits into their business model. Look a
162 WMUPilot : Yet another mindless, pointless response from a pointless body. I doubt you have more aviation in your thumb than an ant has in his entire body. I su
163 JetBlueNYFL : Obviously the ratio of FA's to pax in business or first is more than in coach...that's why those seats cost so much more money. It's designed to have
164 B777-700 : You post this crap and you say *I* am the one not saying anything? Wow...what a good example of Jetblue you are. I hope you arent the standard employ
165 Richierich : For all intents and purposes, that is exactly what I am saying. Which part do you not understand or have the ability to comprehend? You sure don't ex
166 EridanMan : Wow this thread got Puerile. Yes, Premium classes make business sense... hense why almost every legacy airline has them and they are a pillar of the a
167 Wmupilot : Please do! Stay around and keep posting filth! I get a kick out of it! It is quite entertaining! Thanx for the private message aswell! I will be sure
168 JetBlueNYFL : I may be biased because I did not read past your opening paragraph quoted above. However, your statement makes no sense and here's why: Those legacy
169 B777-700 : That you somehow think it's logical...lol. Always? Na...dont' think so. Because it's good business to take care of your most valuable customers. ANY
170 B777-700 : Awww...what a fine example of a Jetblue crew member you are...now we see how they really are! All of your talk and you still havent denied anything I
171 Post contains images EridanMan : May I suggest that you go back and read my entire post and you'll see that I agree with you My point is - fundamentally, the _business case_ for offe
172 EridanMan : And its also good business to see what portion of the market market your competitors are alienating and building your business around that sub-market
173 CTHEWORLD : Uh...OK, and B6 lost millions, and has 50/50 chance of breaking even this year, so the one class B6 business model is working wonders????
174 EridanMan : And alienating their core following by implementing a business practice that most of their loyal customers blame as the reason for their pre-b6 trave
175 B777-700 : But according to the blue kool aide drinkers on here...those passengers get no concideration over a one time T fare, so it makes no difference.
176 JetBlueNYFL : Sorry! Stupid of me...After so many posts that make no sense from certain members in this thread, I got tired of reading the same thing over and over
177 Post contains images B777-700 : well, if you want to look at it likes that..in the grand scheme of things...legacies are profitable too. ..and you are comparing the losses of one ai
178 EridanMan : Puerile insult aside, it doesn't strike you in the slightest that maybe, just maybe the number of 'blue kool aide' drinkers out there is evidence tha
179 B777-700 : Putting aside that most are kids with very little real life experience... I do know of plenty Delta customers that would. My firm has worked with the
180 JetBluefan1 : Since you've labeled me as a blue cool aid drinker in the past, I will defend myself and say that this is untrue. I, for one, said that JetBlue does
181 Halls120 : Of course it would be a waste. But you are missing the point. The post you were responding to was in response to several other posters who made the c
182 Post contains images B777-700 : fair enuff...now why can't you talk some sense into those other guys?!
183 Supa7e7 : JetBlue is a little arrogant for assuming they are smarter than AA, UA, NW, CO and US. That is their whole marketing strategy - JetBlue will expand,
184 Post contains images B777-700 : and I think they were talking codeshare with an international carrier recently too... Naaa never! That would mean treating someone differently!
185 Wmupilot : I think that the launch of the company and the amount of fan fair and high praise the company recieved when operations started pulled a golden blanke
186 JetBluefan1 : Most likely not, actually. Southwest has managed to operate profitably for too many years to count - and without clubs. The only way I could see club
187 CTHEWORLD : WHOA, no more Blue Koolaid for you! Read the press, jetBlue is expected to do about 1% in the black or 1% in the red for the year.
188 CTHEWORLD : Huh? "core following"? This isnt a football team or rock band. People in the jetBlue target market and demo/pshychographic buy on one thing only, pri
189 Post contains images Wmupilot : We have to spike the koolaid every once and a while! Would you like some cool, refreshing, thurst quenching, kool aid? Correct it is going to be extr
190 JetBluefan1 : Yep. This should be very interesting. Back in 1Q06 it was stated that JetBlue would be unprofitable, but the 2Q06 conference call says that there is
191 CTHEWORLD : Where does jetBlue cut then? They already have low low lease rates on planes, a non-unionized low cost work force, new planes that don't need much he
192 JetBluefan1 : That leaves them to continue raising fares (which are still low), cut unprofitable routes (see: BUR-MCO/LAS, EWR-SJU), and launch new routes which can
193 CTHEWORLD : Yes, it seems that revenue management might get a little more aggressive, see how much they can charge before eroding loads; in this environment, the
194 EridanMan : Yes... core following... the 'kool aid' drinkers such as myself who choose to fly jetBlue even when they arn't the cheapest simply because I trust wh
195 EridanMan : Toyota spends a tremendous amount of money trying to 'hook' the young-adult crowd by launching a new brand (scion), ditto with BMW and mini. Talk to
196 WesternA318 : Amen, BUT, remember back in the day, WA Patterson, Robert Six, Jack Frye and William Coulter added Economy service to their flights as an and I quote
197 CTHEWORLD : Ah yes, the evil "screw him his grandfather is on his deathbed" pricing policy. I have often heard about that, but never had proof it is real. Please
198 WesternA318 : My father-in-law passed away in May and I HAD to fly out to YUL from SLC. At least with CO, the walk-up fare came to $3,145. With NW, it was $4,500.
199 CTHEWORLD : Did you ask for a berevement fare? You know folks, life happens, sometimes death too...and it all costs money. What do you feel is the right amount t
200 WesternA318 : Kinda makes you wonder why people say that about the airlines for last minute fares, eh? No, i did not ask for the bereavement fare on CO (NW and DL
201 Halls120 : Hey - at least you are honest. I respect that. My experience is just the opposite. When my brother died unexpectedly, United let me use a bargain far
202 EridanMan : At this point I see no reason to reply to you further, as you obviously haven't bothered to consider anything I've read, and your sole strategy in th
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