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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4234 times:
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Qantas is considering expanding it's freight operations to take advantage of greater returns in that sector. Earlier this year they announced they would convert 4 x 733s into 733Fs for joint ventures they are already involved in.

I found the following quote interesting;

``There are very good returns in this market and we do have an established position, so you try and grow on top of where you can get a value-add,'' Chief Financial Officer Peter Gregg, 51, told reporters in Brisbane today.

Qantas has converted old Boeing Co. 737 planes into ``pure'' freighters, and runs two joint ventures with the government-owned Australia Post. The airline will consider adding 747 aircraft for freight, Gregg said.


I'm not too familiar with QFs freight operations but it is my understanding that QF lease freighters from Gemini or Atlas. Is this an indication they are willing to finally commit to their own 747 Freighters or sign up for the 747BCF program? Any claricification would be appreciated.

Quotes taken from http://www.bloomberg.com do a company search under QAN AU and the link will appear.

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User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2386 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Qantas also uses Boeing 767s for trans-Tasman freight operations. It seems that management likes wet-lease operation as it is easy to cut ties if things go pear shaped!

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5601 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
I'm not too familiar with QFs freight operations but it is my understanding that QF lease freighters from Gemini or Atlas. Is this an indication they are willing to finally commit to their own 747 Freighters or sign up for the 747BCF program? Any claricification would be appreciated.

I strongly doubt it! The problem is the one way nature of the freight flows and the bi-lateral nature of international civil aviation. My understanding of the sitution, which may very well be some what dated, is that the freight flow from North America is many, many times the flow in the other direction. While the flow between Oz and Asia is more even it is still a bit biased (in volum terms) toward Asia as compared to from Asia.

The result of this is that QF would have very very low load factors Oz-NA and lower than desired load factors Asia-Oz. The current arrangement with Gemini/Atlas gets round this by the aircraft flying NA-OZ, wet leased to QF, OZ-Asia wet leased, Asia-NA operate by and on behalf of Gemini/Atlas. which is something QF cant do because it has no traffic rights Asia-NA.

Unless there has been a pretty recent and dramatic change in the freight flows, a decidaceted QF (International) freighter fleet seems unlikely. The domestic sitution is of course totally different and the B734 conversions are to replace existing B722 freighters.

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4823 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

It would be nice to have the Atlas Air B744F on wet-lease wear the Qantas scheme!  Sad
If I recall correctly Emirates SkyCargo have done so with the Atlas Air B744F on wet lease...

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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

So, is QF going to do some airlift work for the RAAF? Perhaps on day soon they will place an order for new B-747-800Fs?

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3727 times:
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Quoting AJ (Reply 1):
Qantas also uses Boeing 767s for trans-Tasman freight operations

Thank you AJ, when you refer to the trans-tasman operations is this the use of belly space on their own aircraft?

Thanks to the others too for your responses

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineJupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3652 times:

In regards to the trans Tasman 767, yes it is purely belly space, the flight routes SYD/AKL/CHC/SYD, although they do change planes in AKL. The aircraft which runs the SYD/AKL sector returns to SYD as the first passenger departure QF 40, while the aircarft which operated QF 49 the becomes the "freighter" and does AKL/CHC/SYD arriving in SYD at 0605. The flights are aimed at the express freight business and do well.

As for QF's involvement with Atlas, they currently use three 744's and they run a busy schedule, operating to HKG/SHA and on to the Hahn in Germany and several ports in the U.S. While the out bound loads from SYD are not huge, QF have full rights from China for cargo and that is where most of the loads come from.

Demand into Australia is very good and the aircraft come in usually with very good loads, from all ports. All flights route out via Asia, mostly SHA, the HKG flight is a dedicated and SIN and BKK also see flights, they then continue on to other destinations, mostly the U.S picking up most of their loads in SHA. The flights which go to the U.S then route directly back to SYD via HNL as a tech stop.

QF will get their own freighters eventually, although the deal with Atlas appears to serve them well at present.

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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3318 times:
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Quoting Jupiter2 (Reply 6):
QF will get their own freighters eventually, although the deal with Atlas appears to serve them well at present.

Thanks Jupiter2 (& Gemuser) for the feedback. I tend to agree that the Atlas deal seems to serve them well and with those 747s in operation that's what led me to ask about the possibility of QF getting their own freighters as Mr Gregg seems to imply that with the following statement which made me originally post

The airline will consider adding 747 aircraft for freight, Gregg said.

If Atlas are already operating 747s for them why would he state they are considering adding them for the freight role when Atlas is already doing so?

Thanks and Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5601 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3302 times:

Quoting Jupiter2 (Reply 6):
While the out bound loads from SYD are not huge, QF have full rights from China for cargo and that is where most of the loads come from.

Do you mean "full rights" from China to other countries? If so, are you sure? I was told (quite some time ago) that the onward flight from China (NOT HKG) were on the Atlas rights not QFs.

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User currently offlineJupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

Gemuser,

Full rights for freight, but not for passenger flights.

RL


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2569 times:
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Think I found the answer to my own question. Mr Gregg has confirmed they are seriously considering the 747BCF, it would be interesting to see whether they would also consider the 767BCF as the 787s come on line.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineMendaero From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Yes the Atlas aircraft leave empty from SYD most of the time. The flights fly with QF flight numbers and use QF freight Traffic rights. They definitely fly through HKG,PKG,ANC and ORD? I think.

The last aircraft I departed had a total of 15tons/tonnes? of freight from SYD. They also frequent Darwin DRW, which I think is in support of the AUS defence force?


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Are they still doing Sydney-Shanghai-Baku-Frankfurt-Mumbai-Singapore-Sydney route launched n 2004.

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