Why is it, that more 'Western' airlines do not order from this (or Tupolev etc) manufacturers? Is it to do with politics or just a negative attitude to anything being produced in the former USSR? Just wondering, as these days they seem to produce some fantastic aircraft both civil and military.
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4115 posts, RR: 39 Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1962 times:
... well, how does the spares support look like? Where can you actually maintaine the plane? Where is the MRO taking place? How fast is the support/service? Hasn't been too good in the past...but this is the crucial part for any airline operation.
53Sqdn From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1879 times:
Hi Flying-Tiger. Thanks for the reply. Surely though, if Airlines bought 'their' A/C wouldn't the rest fall into place? Surely all manufacturers have to pre-empt the thought of maintenance, spares etc? Why shouldn't the Russians be given a chance? This is not me being argumentative, just having an enquiring mind. Having seen the endless humdrum of European/USA built Aircraft I still find the 'Reds' have wonderful looking planes. They fit the criteria and I (think) they should be given a chance. Just my thoughts though
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4124 posts, RR: 37 Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1865 times:
Their track record in customer support already is spotty for decades. Even the most successful Russian jetliner in technical and export sense, the Tu-154, was hard to keep in the air by small faraway airlines which were smooth talked into buying them, like Aeronica, Cubana, Alyemda, Syrianair and they withdrew them quickly.
Since the 1990s you constantly see programs and deliveries running years late.
The small production new aircraft like the Il-96, Il-114 and an-140 for instance had either crashes or groundings last year. If doubts about safety aren't fully taken away yet, I can also imagine airlines have some second thoughts. Maybe an ATR is twice as expensive then an An-140 but at least you know it's being delivered on time and that spares and customer support are available. Of course things can turn if the An-140 fleet gets critical mass and C and D-checks are offered everywhere.
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AirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1865 times:
I wonder if Antonov suffer from being in Ukraine instead of Russia? Russia has it's vast potential oil wealth, to perhaps invest in aerospace, but Ukraine doesn't.
Also, why were both the AN 140 and IL 114 developed?
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Airevents From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 824 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1725 times:
Sad as it is, I think since the crash of the Azerbaijan AN-140 in Baku, this plane has not had the best of publicity and this incident has cast some shadow over its future. On my first and only flight on the type, I found it to be a very comfortable (more comfortable and quiet than an old ATR42-300 for sure) aircraft and would be most happy to see it fly into Central Europe more often.
Alessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1710 times:
AirbusA6, the IL-116 is developed with support of Uzbeckistan where it´s built, design started before the breakup of the Sovietunion. AN-140 was developed by Ukraine after breakup of Sovietunion, alongside the AN-70 and AN-148, unfortunatly both AN-140 and AN-70 has suffered from crashes and few airplanes has been built.
AirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1655 times:
Thanks, the former USSR countries seem to have developed an extraordinary number of non selling sircraft over the last 20 years for various economic and political reasons...
The IL114 bears a striking resemblance to the BAe ATP. And has sold even worse so far...though eventually some of the old AN24s will have to be replaced?
BBiter From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 32 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1637 times:
Apart from the crash near Baku, at least one other An-140 crashed. This happened in Iran in December 2002 IIRC.
Also, there seems to be a joint venture of some sort between Antonov and Iran. Apparently An-140 aircraft will be assembled in Iran for the local market. I didn't know that there's a large enough market in Iran for this type of aircraft. BTW, there's a picture of an Iranian manufactured An-140 in the database.
Slawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1577 times:
I think their biggest problem is marketing the aircraft....the Sukhoi people did the right thing by at least teaming up with a western manufacturer for sales, marketing and development. This gives them the access to greater support infrastructure for the airplane.
If the politics could be removed fromt he equation I think you would see a very different result, especially with Antonov. Who have done a good job of developing half decent and inexpensive aircraft, with relative reliability and modern technology to support niche markets like Cargo, and Regional. The tension in recent years between Ukraine and Russia has only gone to further politicize any russian support of the Antonov programs. It will take big market support from the western outsize, and military markets to take greater interest in the antonov products before they can be produced in any great number. Maybe the recent NATO contract will help to stimulate that move. That said untill they stop their internal disputes between the local "design bureaus" and manufacturing companies and develop some good marketing and support infrastructure they are not going to do much more then they do now...
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