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Future Fleet Of Avianca!  
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6798 times:

Hi!

I was quite impressed to see how AVIANCA is doing so great, very buzzy, those planes never stop!!! But I was just thinking about their future. They just started to receive the Fokker F100, I think this is an excelent airplane that served so well with TAM in the past and it's an ideal plane for short to medium routes, look also to Portugalia that started their network connecting LIS to OPO and FAO, they still use their Fokkers and the plane has been very, very popular here! But I look to planes like the MD80/757 and 767 and they are starting to show their age, I don't know how old most of AV planes are, but at least the two I flew, 757 EI-CEY and MD83 EI-CDY are around 14 years old. Looking closely to the past and the strong ties AVIANCA have with Boeing I think AVIANCA could think about replacing their 3 models with a mix of 737NG and the 787 maybe. The 737-700 and 800/900 could replace well the MD80 and the 757, and the 767 maybe with the smaller 787. Airbus will also try to get some more clients in this continent, after Aerolineas Argentinas, LAN Chile and TAM, so in the Airbus case the A319/A320/A321 could well match the planes involved and for longer hauls maybe the A330-200!
This is just a simple exercise, maybe our colombian friends have something "more hot" to pump in!
Regards

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6711 times:

I think they're actively looking at the 787 as a 767 replacement.


That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6672 times:

They actually are looking for both A anb B proposal for fleet renewal. A350 & 787 for med-long haul and A320 & 737NG for short-med routes. I know someone from their financial dept and he said there's a dedicated group of people analyzing both proposals and financing viability of either one (leasing the ac is obviously the preferred choice), and a decission should come by the end of october or even sooner.

Quoting CV990 (Thread starter):
those planes never stop

This is one thing that AVs new owner, Mr efromovihc, really has put into the company, airplanes make money in the air, not in the tarmac, and now you can see more red eyes in AVs schedules to maximize the potentials of the fleet. Besides, the company has progressively expanded and reinforce their local and intl routes (BCN, LAX just to mention a couple), and it's now looking into recovering european routes that were dropped in their bad days (CDG, LHR).

AVs numbers seem to be going pretty good, and pax are responding pretty well to changes in their ac and their much improved overall service.

Quoting CV990 (Thread starter):
Looking closely to the past and the strong ties AVIANCA have with Boeing

Not only it seems to be the most "logical" way to go, but I guess many of us would love to see the 787 in that beautiful red and white livery, specially if they put the "Colombia es pasion" logo.


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JAAH



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4386 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6671 times:

Avianca´s owner Mr. German Efromovich and CEO Mr. Fabio Villegas have already said they will order before this year ends. But they have given no clue on which manufacturer they are leaning for.

I thnik it will be B but everyone thought SQ was gonna order 787s and they came out with the A350.



Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6598 times:

On this topic, if you look at the news section of Avianca on Wikipedia (with its limited reliability), it states that in an interview Mr Efromovich expressed his wish to incorporate the 777 for the busy Xmas/new year season on flights to JFK, MAD and LAX (presumibly as a wet lease -and Delta and Varig a/c are mentioned), and that if the operational results are positive, AV would seek to buy 5 777LR for next year!

Wishful thinking?


User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2380 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6586 times:

Quoting CV990 (Thread starter):
Looking closely to the past and the strong ties AVIANCA have with Boeing I think AVIANCA could think about replacing their 3 models with a mix of 737NG and the 787 maybe

I agree, AV's has been a Boeing loyal customer, but Efromovich is a business person not attached to B or A, so the best financial / economical proposal will win, not influenced with other external factors.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 3):
have already said they will order before this year ends. But they have given no clue on which manufacturer they are leaning for. quote] Yep.. no clue yet!

[quote=RCS763AV,reply=3]I thnik it will be B but everyone thought SQ was gonna order 787s and they came out with the A350.

My thoughts exactly!



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 3):
I thnik it will be B but everyone thought SQ was gonna order 787s and they came out with the A350.

Now

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 2):
I know someone from their financial dept and he said there's a dedicated group of people analyzing both proposals and financing viability of either one

I guess that now they'll be re-evaluating, after the saga of the A350. Now they'll have to go back to analyse the new A350 "Extra Wide Cabin", its spec, the delay in production and price tag.

I think that AV wants the new planes sooner rather than later (I mean, 2010 rather than 2012), so the dreamliner would have the upper hand.

As for the short haul, these might start getting replaced in a couple of years with the 737NG or the A320 family. Again, because of range, Boeing would have the upper hand.

I personally like the wider cabin of the A319/A320, but the versatility of the 73G/738 would go better for AV, in my opinion.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6503 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 6):
I think that AV wants the new planes sooner rather than later

In that case why bother to even consider 777LR, as you mentioned above. AFAIK, slots for the LR aren't available before 2008 (of course I might be wrong). If Mr Efromovich decides to "test-drive" RGs 777 for the winter season, I guess he would prefer to keep a few birds (again, if he can find some in the market) than buying them, knowing he's in process for complete fleet renovation. On a personal side, I would really love to have some air ime in a AV 777, so SUMMA, I do wish, and real hard........lol

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 5):
Efromovich is a business person not attached to B or A,

Aree 100%. On the other hand, just the idea of him considering a "test-drive" of some 777s, might give you an idea of what to expect from him and what he's thinking for AV in 5 years from now. If he was giving a better chance to the A350 instead of hte 787, why not giving some A340s, which I'm pretty confident you can find plenty of around the world. My bet is he really likes Boeing products, and for a fleet the size of AV, commonality is very important, I'm sure he'll use his experience as a businessman to get a good deal from both A and B, but he'll keep AV loyal to the Seattle boys.

Just my two cents.  twocents 

Cheers,


JAAH



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6480 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 7):
In that case why bother to even consider 777LR, as you mentioned above. AFAIK, slots for the LR aren't available before 2008 (of course I might be wrong).

Well, One wonders what juggling Efro has in mind.. 777s might just fill the gap, or complement future orders. After all, any spare 757/767s could well find room in other of Synergy airlines. Vip is thinking big and has applied for routes to the US since Ecuador was upgraded by the FAA.

Similarly, OceanAir itself is probably having ambitions of its own as Varig future is looking grim.

It so happens that 5 is the number of 777LR that Delta has agreed to take from Boeing. Could they be used by AV whilst DL finances improve? and DL has been mentioned by him according by Wikipedia.

This is a conjecture, I realise. I get all excited by it, but let us see what will be the reality. Just a matter of weeks before we know, or have a good incling.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 3):
thnik it will be B but everyone thought SQ was gonna order 787s and they came out with the A350.

Uh they did order the 787 as well as the A350.



That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6446 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 8):
It so happens that 5 is the number of 777LR that Delta has agreed to take from Boeing. Could they be used by AV whilst DL finances improve?

In that case, AV would have a leased- brand new ac for at least a couple of years. As you pointed out, numbers of DLs ac match with what Mr E said. But of course, how sweet for AV would be to replace a few 767s (to VIP as you said) for brand new 777s (Againg, crossing my fingers as hard as I can, check my screen name, you'll see why).  Wink Try to think yourself sitting in 2A for your flight LHR-BOG inside the powerful and enjoying the AVOD, with AV!! (I'm becoming obsessed with the idea, I know Big grin)

There's an article on a colombian magazine "Poder" in which AVs plane order was being analyzed, and supposedly many political factors were involved. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get a hold of the complete article, I might have t run to a store and buy it, and if good enough, scan it and post for all you guys.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 8):
Varig future is looking grim

I think the word was used two months ago. Now you can use the expression JODIDA, and Mr E is sure like a hungry tiger trying as hard as he can to get a hold of a few of it's routes. In a way, that's why he got some F100s for OceanAir, right?


Cheers,

JAAH



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7558 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6431 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):
I think they're actively looking at the 787 as a 767 replacement.

Many people speculated that AV would become the first Latin American carrier to order a 787. AM has now beat AV to it, but I guess the 787 remains a very likely possibility for AV.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 2):
They actually are looking for both A anb B proposal for fleet renewal. A350 & 787 for med-long haul and A320 & 737NG for short-med routes.

There was a thread many months ago about AV's future fleet and the majority of the participants believed that Boeing held the upper hand. In any case, I think the widebody and the single-aisle proposals need to be evaluated separately. As much as I'd love to see AV order some A318s, A319s and A320s, many a.netters believe AV is in the end going to go for the 737NG... who knows? As for the widebody, the A350XWB could be a very good choice, but the decision will probably depend on AV's timing needs and the discounts it gets from one or the other maker.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 4):
Mr Efromovich expressed his wish to incorporate the 777 for the busy Xmas/new year season on flights to JFK, MAD and LAX (presumibly as a wet lease -and Delta and Varig a/c are mentioned), and that if the operational results are positive, AV would seek to buy 5 777LR for next year!

I did not know! How ambitious! It seems to me that wetleasing a few 777s could give AV a good opportunity to see if they can fill them and how they operate both technically and financially speaking. However, I think you mean the -200ER because AV has little or no use for the -200LR.

[Edited 2006-07-26 19:54:35]


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6411 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 11):
However, I think you mean the -200ER because AV has little or no use for the -200LR.

Let us not get too excited though! I was just quoting wikipedia! It does state 777LR there. I did wonder whether it made sense or not. Don't really know if the extra range is any good. In AV's case if would only make sense if the weight restrictions out of BOG to Europe are overcome by it, rather than for ultra long routes.


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6321 times:

Hi!

First of all I think the 777 maybe it's too big for AV??? I think the 787 would be a great option and with Airbus the A330-200! The other things that is quite curious is the fact that some of AV planes are leased, so maybe a good deal with ILFC or other leasing company would give generous proposals to AV.
Regards


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9690 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6242 times:

I also think the leasing companies offers will also play a role here if AV wants to lease these new aircraft. So far the 787 has been ordered by some leasing companies but yet no A350(XWB). Other than this, the offers from both A and B obviously will be deciding if AV decides to buy the aircraft directly. In this case, the order for shorthaul and longhaul can go either ways. Airbus can offer the A320 family and the A350XWB with the A332 as an interim solution while Boeing can offer the 737NG with the B787/777 with more 763s as an interim solutions. Who knows what is going to happen, in either way, I think both the Airbus aircraft as well as the Boeing aircraft will look very nice in the AV red colors Big grin

A388


User currently offlinePLANEGUY From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6184 times:

Ok, I know I'm going a little off topic here but can anyone tell me how AV's new routes to LAX and BCN are performing? And any guess as to which new European gateways they're considering?

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6176 times:

PLANEGUY

As mentionned above , they plan LHR and CDG in Europe.


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6127 times:

Hi!

Did AV flew in the past to UK? I had that idea! My feeling is that AV needs to be strong in the markets where they are already established. For example someone in Colombia told me that Spain and Italy are good markets for tourism, I would say that maybe a flight to Italy would help, and maybe BCN would be a nice shot too. For example the only thing that "forced" me to fly via USA was tne fact that the flights from MAD with IB were all packed for months! Some german friends that were in Colombia managed to fly from Germany to Colombia via MAD, so with the alliances we have, I think anyplace from Europe can connect in MAD with IB or AV. I agree with A388 concerning fleet renewall, maybe with Boeing things can be a bit more long, looks that slots for new 787's will take the airplane to be delivered to AV maybe 2012 or 2013, that's quite long I think and AV will need new airplanes before that! With Airbus and the latest strategy of offering A330-200's and then swap them for A350's could actually be a nice compromise of Airbus and AV! AV could a better long-haul jet for the next 10 years with the A330-200 than with the 767 and then receive the A350! This is just a mere exercise!!!
Regards


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6078 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 17):
Did AV flew in the past to UK?

It did! But a recession in Colombia, a devalueing of the peso, a bad period in the country's security and to top it all sep 11 with 450% increase in insurance premiums made an impact on AV, making haemorrage money, cut routes and eventually sending it to Ch11.
It is good numbers that travellers both domestic and international are surging and that AV is making money.

Quoting CV990 (Reply 17):
AV could a better long-haul jet for the next 10 years with the A330-200 than with the 767 and then receive the A350! This is just a mere exercise!!!

The problem with the A330 is that it has a limited range, so it would be penalised in weight out of BOG for European routes. And cargo is of great importance on this station. Air Madrid uses the A330, but the compulsory CTG stop on its way to MAD overcomes this issue.

The 762 on the other hand has an good range for AV's needs. It only carrieds 175 pax though (when IB carries 350 on the A346s that it uses most days to BOG!)

It might well be that the 772 (actually similar pax capacity as the A330 ) will fit in well for some routes and complement its 757/767s, whilst A350 or 787s are delivered.

[Edited 2006-07-27 13:59:11]

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

Hi Summa767!

Thanks for your excelent post. I had in my mind that AV used the 767-300 on MAD route, well with your numbers and information AV is getting hard times to compete with IB right??? Then I would agree with you, the 777 would be a great choise for AV! Then by your post the 763 are used on USA routes? regarding AV making money now, I'm glad that is going on pretty well....so if we keep seeing AV getting money I'm sure soon AV will come out with a nice order for new airplanes!!! They deserve that but that will bring to an end of airplanes like the MD80!
Regards


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 18):
It might well be that the 772 (actually similar pax capacity as the A330 ) will fit in well for some routes and complement its 757/767s, whilst A350 or 787s are delivered.

I think that's what AV it's going to choose. As you said it, wishful thinking.....


Cheers


JAAH



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

Hello!

Quoting CV990 (Reply 19):
Thanks for your excelent post. I had in my mind that AV used the 767-300 on MAD route, well with your numbers and information AV is getting hard times to compete with IB right???



Indeed, 762 are used as a default on flights to Europe, whilst the 763s tend to serve MIA, JFK and CCS.
There are occasional changes of course. I myself flew to LHR on a AV 763 a few years ago.
Well, IB probably makes much more money on the BOG-MAD route than AV does. However, the numbers are still healthy for the latter.

It seems that there are enough passengers on that route as Air Comet has a 747 (for 400 pax) 3 x weekly and Air madrid has its A330s (for 300 pax) 3 x a week.

AV also seems to be having excellent results with the twice weekly MAD-CLO. I have yet to hear how BCN is performing.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 20):
think that's what AV it's going to choose. As you said it, wishful thinking.....

We should soon hear more!

Regards from a sun kissed Oxford (for a change!)

Juan

[Edited 2006-07-27 15:38:34]

User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6001 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 21):
I have yet to hear how BCN is performing.

I tried to book a flight on that route for novemebr, and it was pretty hard to get the dates i was looking for (mid november), in fact, all it was left was in J and very expensive Y seats, which of course, I didn't took. Hopefully they're doing great this summer, but IIRC, 757MDE said he was on the inaugural flight and loads weren't as good as expected. IOM, BCN is a route that will mature pretty fast for AV, and results sure will be great by winter.

Cheers


JAAH



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5978 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 12):
Let us not get too excited though! I was just quoting wikipedia! It does state 777LR there. I did wonder whether it made sense or not.

As you mentioned, Wikipedia is pretty unreliable when it comes to aviation. Many false news are posted there; according to them, CO was supposed to lunch EWR-MDE this July, of course, it never happened.  Yeah sure

About the 772LR, one has to consider also price. Would it fit well into the company's economics?

I believe Avianca would ideally go for a bigger order of 787 that could fly throughout their whole network, instead of breaking the order between 787s and 772s.

As much as I'd like to see them operating 777s, Avianca would only realistically need 2 of them, maybe 3. The 772 would come in handy for MAD and JFK, and full stop there. Other dense routes like BOG-MIA or BOG-CCS are much shorter and thus better served with medium-sized aircraft and higher frequencies.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 21):
It seems that there are enough passengers on that route as Air Comet has a 747 (for 400 pax) 3 x weekly and Air madrid has its A330s (for 300 pax) 3 x a week.

Air Madrid only flies MAD-BOG twice a week. The third weekly flight orginates in BCN.

Anyway, it is clear that there are more than enough passengers to send all those planes to Europe fully-loaded. You actually get surprised to see that IB and AF are the only airlines that are able to register 80% of load-factors to Colombia on low-season, which goes to show how limited demand is between Colombia and Europe.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 23):
Air Madrid only flies MAD-BOG twice a week. The third weekly flight orginates in BCN.

They have been flying MAD-BOG 3 x weekly for about a month, and are scheduled to continue doing so till the 9th September. In addition to the Thursday flight from BCN. They would like this to be a permanent arrangement, but a change in thebilateral is required. They are lobbying for this. Aerocivil has signalled that is ready for an open skies with Spain. AV (and maybe P5) might object though..

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 23):
believe Avianca would ideally go for a bigger order of 787 that could fly throughout their whole network, instead of breaking the order between 787s and 772s.

Totally agree on that.787 seems to have the right size and range for AV's needs. Problem is that at the rate of expansion, and taking into account the aspirations of Vipsa and OceanAir, more aircraft will be required.
It might not harm AV to test the 777 as a wet lease, and decide whether it could justify having a couple -as you say 2 would cover MAD and JFK, perhaps EZE some days- or whether to go for some more 757/767s for 5/6 yrs whilst the new deliveries materialise.


25 CV990 : Hi! Thanks Summa767 for your information! Well taking in mind that 777jah tried to book a flight and it looked quite hard, I seriously believe that AV
26 SOUTHAMERICA : You are right, though the additional flight doesn't appear in the schedules authorized by the Aerocivil. What legal figure did they use to get this e
27 Post contains images Summa767 : I can only imagine that it is a temporary right granted by Aerocivil. Perhaps pending the renegotiation of the bilateral treaty. Similarly, AV has be
28 Clo1973 : You are right, Cali - Madrid - Cali had a load of 80% in May......and that figure has been very much the same all year round...
29 Arcano : F100 are probably the worst and more uncomfortable aircraft I ever flew. If you don't have markets lage enough for 318/737s, why don't consider a Bae
30 Post contains links and images SOUTHAMERICA : I hope you're not forgetting the route is Bogota-Cali-Madrid, as the 80% of load-factor includes passengers coming from Bogota who are simply in-tran
31 Summa767 : Why are the F100s so bad? Well, AV is stuck with them now! It has them configured with 97 seats, so the legroom should not be reasonable, and overall
32 CV990 : Hi! Well Arcano, I can't argue with you regarding the FokkerF100!!!! I had such a great experience flying a TAM one from Curitiba to Asuncion via Foz
33 FCKC : Probably , the best choice for AV , for European routes is the 747 Combi , like they used to send to MAD , CDG , FRA some years ago. At that time AV w
34 EddieDude : One would have thought that the quad regional jets were optimal for high temperature operations. Too bad! I hope the new Yucatan start-up KBAir will
35 Post contains links and images RICARIZA : I really liked flying those "Jumbolinos".. and love its high wing design.. too bad we don't see them anymore in Colombia with those nice MM colors..
36 Arcano : Of course, a matter of taste can't be proved... I actually flew one on TAM few weeks ago and it was awful, the pressure, the size, the pitch, etc...
37 SOUTHAMERICA : Huge fantastic fleet? The only thing we've discussed is what the company itself has publicly expressed: 73G/A32X for MD-83 replacement, and 787/A350
38 Arcano : Why tanking this so personal? How, according to you, I offended the "80 successful years"? It's not a matter of like or not, its a matter of economic
39 CV990 : Hi! Answering Arcano I would like to say the following, AV indeed haven't received any new airplanes recently ( maybe our colombian enthusiasts can gi
40 Summa767 : It *was* broke. After restructuring it has turned operational profits of over US$50m a year for the last 2 years. It is in a position to think bigger
41 Tope98 : Do not forget about VA!... they were the first 747 Lat Am operators.... and their europe network was just impressing LIS, OPO, MAD, SCQ, CDG, LHR, FR
42 CV990 : Hi Tope98! Yeah good old VA, great airline!!! I saw many of their airplanes in LIS during years, from DC-8 to DC-10's!!! That orange tail was very dis
43 Bogota : Would you like to give us an inside view of the new owners of AV? Maybe something that we do not know? Because according to the new owners and their
44 Post contains images SOUTHAMERICA : You didn't offend anyone nor anything. I'm neither the founder, nor the owner, nor I work in the company, so relax. You stated: "I just look at the f
45 CV990 : Hi! I should mediate what it looks to me like a "local conflict"!!! I think there's no point keep "shooting and shooting back" regarding AV. All of us
46 Summa767 : I eagerly await for that moment too! But that it will come, I have no doubt! But against doubts, the argument had to be assertive in order to dispell
47 777jaah : Sure that's a fact, but shows lack of knowledge of all the facts involving AVs inmediate past and plans for the future. Look at the whole picture, or
48 RCS763AV : They fly to BCN. Though a flight to Italy is not a bad idea. Long. But the company has stated 100 times that they are replacing their fleet, why is i
49 EddieDude : Well, in reality Latin American carriers generally lease new airplanes rather than buy them. It is quite expensive to buy new aircraft and only a few
50 Summa767 : Oh yes, that is a good point. In AV's case the mode of financing of the order for airplanes is being studied as well as what a/c types will be requir
51 Erikgnoha : Why are you so rude? He was making a point, you can agree or you can not. And what do you mean about the hijacking part?
52 RCS763AV : He´s making a point that is only charged with negativity and makes the mood tense in the thread. Hijacking Part: We are discussing what will be the
53 Arcano : In Latin America (help me if I miss someone) Aeromexico, Mexicana, Taca, Copa, Varig, LAN and TAM. OK people, I didn't mean to bother you this much.
54 Ghost77 : Interesting! Lets open a discussion for this... Volaris and Interjet from Mexico too are getting new frames, as well as GOL and TAME. It's really int
55 CV990 : Hi! Just one insight, if Ethiopian Airlines can buy the 787 why shouldn't AV buy the same airplane???? Have Ethiopia better economy than Colombia? Or
56 RCS763AV : Yea. That happened three years ago. Whatever. Actually, the 777 might be pretty big and AV is not looking for immediate replacement of the widebodies
57 777jaah : So why their management took the time to ask A & B for proposals for their fleet renovation?? So far, this guys have proved they're serious doing bus
58 Ghost77 : Ethiopian as TAAG and many more african carriers just to name a few are launch customers now or currently flying new planes. I'm not denying the fact
59 SOUTHAMERICA : Arcano, I really don't want to get repetitive nor make this a personal discussion. My problem is not with you, it's with what you said. There is a big
60 Ghost77 : Truth! But lets say they bring the B777 would it work to MIA? And probably if the route starts to work as it used to be I think LAX could also see su
61 SOUTHAMERICA : Now I ask you Ricardo, which of those tasks cannot be carried out efficiently by the 787s that AV would eventually order? Think about it. I too would
62 Ghost77 : Sure B787s is the 'ideal' plane for AV's needs lets call them that way. I'm confident and trust Mr. German that they will come up with an order real s
63 CV990 : Hi! That a good point Ghost77 when you talk about Brazil and the serious break of RG, in my opinion that will help boost some other latin airlines, an
64 RCS763AV : I would think fourth quarter (Oct-Dec). BTW, news (Caracol Radio) is that AV has moved all its domestic operations in BOG to its Puente Aereo termina
65 Bogota : Did they say they already moved or that they were planning to move? The Puente Aereo is still not ready, it is coming along quite well but as such it
66 SOUTHAMERICA : Could you give me an insight as to how exactly is the terminal being refurbished? Last time I was in Bogota the remodeling works had not started yet.
67 Ghost77 : Yeah! I sure made a point there. And now that I'm thinking things a little more.... perhaps things could be a little delayed as Germán could probabl
68 RCS763AV : The news was its already finished and the flights will move this weekend or next week. Of course, they could be wrong.
69 Post contains links Summa767 : According to Portafolio: http://www.portafolio.com.co/port_se...B-NOTA_INTERIOR_PORTA-3119767.html From 14th August flights to Riohacha, Valledupar a
70 CV990 : Hi! I experienced that already in July. What I found out was that at BOG airport was very buzzy and quite intense to get my check-in donne, lot's of p
71 MotorHussy : I think the 772 and 787-3, 8 & 9 would be perfect for all their international and continental requirements. Mind you, so would the A350-800, 900 & 100
72 Bogota : I will do my best to describe. The apron has been elongated towards 13L and aircraft will now park parallel to to the terminal with one central "taxi
73 RCS763AV : So they were 50% true, half the flights will move to the Puente Aéreo in a week. I would like to see the finished product next Sunday when i go to F
74 Post contains images RICARIZA : So, you are going to bring the plane I am going to use to go to BOG that same Sunday ah? Remember to give it back with gas on it..
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