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ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757  
User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 6 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

The OAK-ITO route has been spilling over the top with traffic so they will upgrade it from a 737-800 to a 757-200.

ATA Airlines says it will upgrade capacity on its Hilo-Oakland route by switching to larger aircraft for the run.

The airline said Tuesday it will deploy a Boeing 757-200 in place of its current 737-800 beginning August 4, adding 16 percent, or 50 seats per day, to the only Mainland service to Hilo.

"Traffic on our new Hilo-Oakland flight has exceeded our expectations and is a nice surprise to have to deal with," says ATA Managing Director of Planning, Mark Suman. "The added capacity during the peak month of August will help customers find low-fare, non-stop seats between Hilo and the Bay Area and to several mainland destinations on Southwest Airlines."

ATA charges as little as $159 one-way on the route

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User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 hour ago) and read 3961 times:

That's good to hear. There were some naysayers that thought ITO couldn't support a mainland flight. It seems its here to stay. The Hilo side of the Big Island is my favorite. Its got more of that lush, rainforest feel, and its a lot less crowded.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (8 years ago) and read 3920 times:

Amazing......good for ATA....so many laughed when ATA announced service to ITO. ITO has been ignored for so many years....ever since airports in Maui, Kona, etc could accept flights from the mainland, its always good to hear when something innovative works.

This service is a good thing for ATA and for ITO. Well done.

I wonder if other airlines will take note of this and reintroduce service to ITO....for example, does UA have plans to announce LAX-ITO flights in the future?


User currently offlineWmupilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years ago) and read 3908 times:

How much of this traffic is transfer traffic from WN? When ever I am working a flight out of OAK to LGB we leave the same time as the ITO flight right next to us and their gate area is usually pretty full.


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User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years ago) and read 3898 times:

not to appear totally dumb, but where is ITO?????

User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 560 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years ago) and read 3885 times:

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 4):
not to appear totally dumb, but where is ITO?????

You don't sound dumb. There are just too many airport codes to memorize!  Smile ITO happens to be Hilo in the Hawaiian Islands. Cheers!  Smile


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 4):
not to appear totally dumb, but where is ITO?????

To elaborate, it's on the east-southeast side of the Big Island (Hawaii) and is about a 100 mile drive to Kona-Keahole (KOA). Nearly all of the major hotels and resorts on the Big Island are on the Kona side of the island whereas Hilo is much closer (30 miles) to Hawaii Volcanoes National Park.


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User currently offlineSwadispatcher From United States of America, joined May 2004, 427 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Quoting Wmupilot (Reply 3):
How much of this traffic is transfer traffic from WN? When ever I am working a flight out of OAK to LGB we leave the same time as the ITO flight right next to us and their gate area is usually pretty full.

It has been averaging about 30% per day for this month and 25% for last. I have a feeling the 757 is also to haul more cargo on the route.



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User currently offlineVortex From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3733 times:

Not to get off topic, but apparently ATA has 3 75s airlifting people (Americans, Brits and Canadians) out of Lebanon.

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3707 times:

Is there any chance of ATA expanding ITO service to any other airports besides OAK?

I hope the flight continues to be a success!!



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User currently offlineScottSEA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

Quoting ATA767 (Thread starter):
"The added capacity during the peak month of August..."

I'm not a Hawaii expert but I'm surprised to see August called "the peak month". I thought winter was when Hawaii travel peaked or maybe cargo is strong in August. Assuming Mr. Suman wasn't just exaggerating - Please educate me if you don't mind.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

Quoting ScottSEA (Reply 10):

I'm not a Hawaii expert but I'm surprised to see August called "the peak month". I thought winter was when Hawaii travel peaked or maybe cargo is strong in August. Assuming Mr. Suman wasn't just exaggerating - Please educate me if you don't mind.

Hawai'i's peak season in June-August. It does get very, very busy around Christmas time, but peak is summer.



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 7):
I have a feeling the 757 is also to haul more cargo on the route.

I was thinking the same thing. That's 50 more seats, and a lot more baggage and cargo capability. Regardless, good for them.

Quoting Vortex (Reply 8):
Not to get off topic, but apparently ATA has 3 75s airlifting people (Americans, Brits and Canadians) out of Lebanon.

They've got their share of that business over the past week or so, and it probably will continue for another week or so, although I don't know at what volume. All the Air Mobility Command military contractors got some of this business, so we've seen flights to BWI and PHL by ATA (757s), Omni (DC10s and 757s), World (MD11s), North American (757s and maybe 767s), Ryan (757) and even Miami Air (738 with a million stops). BWI was 757 City at the E8 gate for several days. What was interesting to me, however, is that these contractors must be busy with other work, because there are and were several foreign carriers (Olympic A340, Excel Air 743) chartered to fly these flights, as well as several mainline carriers (United 744, CO 777, DL 763 [voluntary publicity flight for which DL charged a buck, according to the paper]). Normally, the mainline carriers only get involved if the regular AMC carriers don't have the capacity. World alone has 8 passenger MD11s and 1 DC10, of which only two are committed to track-charter work for commercial clients, which leaves 7 aircraft that they could use if they weren't busy elsewhere. So that's a good sign for ATA and the others -- they're busy. See Air Evacuations From Cyprus (by Wjcandee Jul 22 2006 in Civil Aviation) for more information on these flights, and pictures.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
Hawai'i's peak season in June-August. It does get very, very busy around Christmas time, but peak is summer

In a way, this is similar to Florida. You'd think that Florida's big time is during the winter and spring, but you'd be surprised at how much business they get during the summer. Summer is just plain the big vacation time for American families, when the kids are off from school for months and family vacations don't have to be compressed into a few days around a holiday. Amazingly, some times in November and December and January are actually pretty dead in Hawaii, while other times in those months are packed. Summer is a more-consistently-high volume of business, spread out across the entire period.

[Edited 2006-07-27 07:35:56]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 12):
In a way, this is similar to Florida. You'd think that Florida's big time is during the winter and spring, but you'd be surprised at how much business they get during the summer. Summer is just plain the big vacation time for American families, when the kids are off from school for months and family vacations don't have to be compressed into a few days around a holiday.

Actually, no, in this way it is nothing like Florida, except for Orlando.

Florida's peak season is late October through mid-April (through late May for Miami/Lauderdale) and there is no period during the summer that peaks. The exception is Orlando/Central Florida, which peaks during the summer.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 12):
Amazingly, some times in November and December and January are actually pretty dead in Hawaii, while other times in those months are packed

Try booking a hotel in Hawaii between December and February! Believe me, it's busy here year-round. The state has posted solid tourism numbers terms of arrivals and dollars spent for the last couple of years.


Edited to include this link: http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacif...06/07/24/daily28.html?surround=lfn

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[Edited 2006-07-27 11:20:18]


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User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

I would tell you that the WN code share has helped to make this a success at least in the summer months. I dont think you will see a record breaking demand year round. I think more than anything there is a huge cargo market that we dont see the numbers for and that is why the 757 was added. OAK-HNL has just as good loads if not better but is not getting the 757 so it must be cargo.
I expect ATA to announce some fall schedule changes soon. Something tells me they will add another LGA-HOU, guess we will wait and see.


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
It does get very, very busy around Christmas time, but peak is summer

Hawaii is popular year round, there is never a large drop in traffic....

Have you forgotten Golden Week in May?


User currently offlineUA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 494 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3412 times:

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 1):
That's good to hear. There were some naysayers that thought ITO couldn't support a mainland flight.



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
Amazing......good for ATA....so many laughed when ATA announced service to ITO.

Yeah, I was that guy. I do, however, feel that ITO isn't good for much more in terms of expanding service. I'll be curious to see what the loads look like in October. Nonetheless, I love to be wrong about this type of stuff. Either way this is helping the economy. Perhaps Hilo will get on the ball and start catering towards tourism a little more (like renovating their hotels.)

Quoting ATA767 (Reply 15):
I dont think you will see a record breaking demand year round.

Bingo.


User currently offlineWesternDC1010 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Do you think ATA will ever resume LAX-LIH flights again in the near future? Or maybe next summer? It was ultra convenient to fly this route that seemed to be pretty full.

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 16):

Hawaii is popular year round, there is never a large drop in traffic....

Whatever you say.

Peak travel to Hawai'i is June-August. There is a good drop in traffic during the fall.



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User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Hawaii is popular year round, there is never a large drop in traffic....

ITO was 40% full in MAY, in JUN 90%+ so I think Hawaii has a season!


User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

ITO VS KOA

Is there mainland to KOA?

UA got a B777 ORD-OGG-ITO/KOA???-ORD which is it KOA or ITO because OGG got a short runway the 777 up to the other to flight back to ORD

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User currently offlineOakjam From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

Glad to see that ATA is doing good at OAK, lately airlines have been thriving there. Nice to see another 757 besides the UA & DL for passenger traffic.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3191 times:
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Quoting Oakjam (Reply 22):
Glad to see that ATA is doing good at OAK, lately airlines have been thriving there. Nice to see another 757 besides the UA & DL for passenger traffic.

Don't forget Harmony to YVR.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Peak travel to Hawai'i is June-August. There is a good drop in traffic during the fall.

Hawaii actually has two peaks, June-August as noted, then Mid-December through March (Spring Break Season). Low Season is September through Mid-December and Shoulder (for those that make the distinction) is April-May.



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25 Bobnwa : Don't argue with Kahala/Malpensa about the busy season to any islands. Even if given facts like he was to Bermuda he will overwhelm you with rhetoric
26 Leelaw : TZ may have found a nice niche at ITO based primarily on cargo lift and low-yield kama'aina (resident) traffic. However, further route development pot
27 Post contains links 777fan : Even if it were to manifest, any tourist activity at ITO would most likely be totally different than what is offered on the Kona side. Hilo receives
28 Ua2162 : KOA has the UA ORD flight. Flight 3 I believe...
29 Leelaw : Downtown Hilo is full of shops, including galleries and eateries, but it caters to the kama'aina from Hilo and Puna, as well as the few cruise-ships
30 777fan : Having recently stayed in North Kohala, I can attest to the fact that while beautiful and quaint, the mid-upper elevations are a decent, desolate dri
31 Type-Rated : Didn't UA have some ORD-ITO service back in the late 60's? I could have sworn I saw departure boards at their "Royal Hawaiian" service gates at ORD th
32 Leelaw : Actually, very quaint Waimea/Kamuela has gotten quite touristy in the last 10-15 years. The drive on the Kohala Mountain Road between Kapa'au and Wai
33 Socal : I think ATA would do good with a LAX-ITO route.
34 Leelaw : If any airline can do it, it's probably TZ. However, TZ's initial judgement seems to be that most of low-yielding kama'aina traffic is heading to the
35 Socal : Leelaw, do you know if there are any cargo....ie (UPS,FedEx,DHL) flights into ITO from the mainland?
36 Leelaw :
37 777fan : Yeah, it is quite amazing. Parts of it resemble the Midwest and Colorado, while other stretches look like Northern California. The drive down from Wa
38 Leelaw : I agree, unless you're interested in Polynesian archeological sights, the scenery is pretty grim. The other pretty drive in terms of interesting luna
39 FATFlyer : Yes. My travel agent told me she was booking me into the best available in town but don't expect much. She was right. Second that. We were there abou
40 777fan : Oh, another thing I forgot to mention earlier was that it is possible to rent a car from ITO and return it to KOA (and vice versa) although it entails
41 Jjbiv : The word at ATA is that the equipment upgauge OAK-ITO for August is more about 738s going in for 'C'-checks than anything else. joe
42 ATA767 : They gave a positive spin on the situation even if it is smoke and mirrors. ATA has to announce some expansion or they will be eaten alive soon.
43 Wjcandee : Maybe. But ITO loads were looking pretty darn fabulous before they added the extra 50 seats. And they're still booking seats in the $600 r/t range.
44 TZTriStar500 : Sorry, but this is total BS. If it was true, the aircraft gage would have changed WITHOUT a press release. Can't say I agree with this either. Just h
45 Socal : I think someone else said this, but ATA have a very good thing going for them in ITO. One other thing too, I caught a flight from LAX-HNL in June. My
46 Swadispatcher : So why wouldn't they put the 757 on one of the LAX-HNL or OAK-HNL routes that always seem to be full / weight restricted? I have to agree with TriSta
47 ATA767 : I agree with the stabalization and I am not talking about anything drastic. A segment or two to keep pace with the competition (i.e. more HOU, additi
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