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Why No Western Aircraft On The Russian Register?  
User currently offlineTradewindL1011 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 179 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

Since the breakup of the USSR more and more western aircraft have entered Russia, but none have been registered there, even if owned by the respective airline. Instead all such aircraft seem to be registered in Bermuda (VP-B..). Why are they all registered in Bermuda and not Russia? I seem to remember that Bermuda has liberal tax laws perhaps this has something to do with it?

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User currently offlineTitch From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 328 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6045 times:

Did you check the database?

Transaero had at least two B737-200's placed on the Russian register...


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And SAT are operating at least one:


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User currently offlineDazeflight From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 580 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6021 times:

Quoting TradewindL1011 (Thread starter):
Why are they all registered in Bermuda and not Russia?

Because Russia charges ridicoulously hight import taxes for western aircraft.


User currently offlineTitch From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 328 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6012 times:

You can also add the VIM-Avia 757-200's that were previously operated by Condor; most of them are on the Russian register:


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User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 969 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5982 times:

Most are owned by finance companies and are registered in the relevant country for tax reasons. Ireland is one such - many aircraft operated by Italian airlines are on the Irish register also.

User currently offlineTradewindL1011 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5931 times:

With the several examples cited, I should change the topic name to "Very few western aircraft". To those that answered the question rather than an attempt to prove me wrong I appreciate the responses. This also leads me to ask why some airlines do manage to register them but the vast majority do not.

User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2260 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5927 times:

Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 2):
Quoting TradewindL1011 (Thread starter):
Why are they all registered in Bermuda and not Russia?

Because Russia charges ridicoulously hight import taxes for western aircraft.

Russian airlines have to pay those taxes whether the planes are registered in Russia or not. As long as they're operated by a Russian airline, they have to pay around 40 percent import taxes.

Quoting TradewindL1011 (Reply 5):
This also leads me to ask why some airlines do manage to register them but the vast majority do not.

My guess is that the airplanes mentioned above are owned by the Russian airlines.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

Quoting TradewindL1011 (Reply 5):
This also leads me to ask why some airlines do manage to register them but the vast majority do not.

See here:

Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 2):
Because Russia charges ridicoulously hight import taxes for western aircraft.

Maybe those few aircraft weren't expensive to buy and therefore were Russian registered. IIRC, no intra-Russian routes may be operated with jets on foreign registers (except GUS registers ?). Or does this only apply to business jets ???



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2260 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5912 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 7):
IIRC, no intra-Russian routes may be operated with jets on foreign registers (except GUS registers ?)

I've been flying on lots of foreign registered airplanes on domestic flights within Russia.

F-OGYP crashed in Irkutsk a couple of weeks ago after a domestic flight from Moscow.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5900 times:

Quoting RedChili (Reply 8):
I've been flying on lots of foreign registered airplanes on domestic flights within Russia.

F-OGYP crashed in Irkutsk a couple of weeks ago after a domestic flight from Moscow.

I think there are exceptions for leased aircraft. I confused it with foreign airlines.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineWorkhorse From France, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

I might be wrong but as far as I've heard, the issue is not that much with taxes (you have to pay them anyway, even if your aircraft is registered abroad, unless you have some special "tax exemption" like SU or UN), but with maintenance procedures. Russia does not have establshed procedures of maintenance for Western aircraft, so once you have registered a Boeing or an Airbus in Russia it becomes very difficult to sell it outside of Russia. And that is something leasing companies don't like at all!

Registering your aircraft in Bermuda or Ireland is hassle-free, cheap and most pax don't care if there is a "RA-", a "VP-" or an "EI-" written on the plane they fly.


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