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Canadian North Buys Another Fokker 100  
User currently offlineMarkabcan From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 205 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5402 times:

According to http://www.fokker-aircraft.info Canadian North has aquired another Fokker 100, PT-MQQ which was previously operated by TAM. The registration is expected to be C-GYNR. This is a interesting development, especially with Air Canada Jazz recently entering the Yellowknife market! What routes will this aircraft operate, perhaps new routes are in the works, possible increased focus on charter operations? It could possibly start to replace some of the non combi 732s. Does anyone know if the aircraft will be based in Calgary like the other F100?

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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8671 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5389 times:

Cool, glad to see those Fokkers not going to VCV, or GYR. Its sad to see a a/c as beautiful as the F100 in desert storage.

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User currently offlineWolsingerjet From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

5T plans on having 3 F-100s total in the fleet so another should be added shortly.
The carrier also intends to have a total of 5 dash-8-100s and 3 dash-8-300s in service by the summer of 07.The carrier is also seeking further 732s to add to the fleet.



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User currently offlineMarkabcan From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5241 times:

Quoting Wolsingerjet (Reply 2):
5T plans on having 3 F-100s total in the fleet so another should be added shortly.
The carrier also intends to have a total of 5 dash-8-100s and 3 dash-8-300s in service by the summer of 07.The carrier is also seeking further 732s to add to the fleet.

Wow, what are they going to do with all that capacity?


User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5210 times:

Quoting Markabcan (Thread starter):
another Fokker 100, PT-MQQ which was previously operated by TAM. The registration is expected to be C-GYNR

In between TAM and Canadian North it operated for EU-Jet as EI-DFZ:

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User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

Quoting Markabcan (Reply 3):
Wow, what are they going to do with all that capacity?

Surely not all of these aircraft are headed to support the oil sands. Would be nice to see them launch YZF-YVR. I wonder if a couple of Dash 8s might be used to take on 7F on some NWT/NU regional routes to places like YCO, YFS & YXY?


User currently offlineMarkabcan From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5003 times:

Quoting YOW (Reply 5):
Surely not all of these aircraft are headed to support the oil sands. Would be nice to see them launch YZF-YVR. I wonder if a couple of Dash 8s might be used to take on 7F on some NWT/NU regional routes to places like YCO, YFS & YXY?

I wouldn't be surprised to see them launch YMM and YVR with the new F100s. As far as the Dash 8s I would expect them to reinstate Hay River-Yellowknife service and add some regional routes from YZF as you said earlier.


User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

good for Canadian North, i have never flown on them but from what i have heard and seen they are a first class operation and their pilots are highly skilled and qualified. (correct me if i am wrong)...it is nice to see some airlines stick with older A/C, not always moving to newer and fancier ones, keep flying those 732's, if it ain't broke dont fix it

User currently offlineCP744 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

Quoting Wolsingerjet (Reply 2):
5T plans on having 3 F-100s total in the fleet so another should be added shortly.
The carrier also intends to have a total of 5 dash-8-100s and 3 dash-8-300s in service by the summer of 07.The carrier is also seeking further 732s to add to the fleet

I'd be interested in where you got this info from?

Quoting YOW (Reply 5):
Would be nice to see them launch YZF-YVR. I wonder if a couple of Dash 8s might be used to take on 7F on some NWT/NU regional routes to places like YCO, YFS & YXY?



Quoting Markabcan (Reply 6):
I wouldn't be surprised to see them launch YMM and YVR with the new F100s. As far as the Dash 8s I would expect them to reinstate Hay River-Yellowknife service and add some regional routes from YZF as you said earlier.

I believe one of the F-100's will fly for CNRL, once GPS certified, as well as some charter work.
I could see some regional work out of YZF and YFB with the DHC8's, although a total of 8 DHC8's would be very surprising. Maybe two or three.

A case could be made on YVR-YZF in the winter to accommodate the Japanese.

YMM, unlikely, WS and AC have pretty much saturated that market. Adding a third sked carrier wouldn't do much other than erode the revenue. I don't believe 5T is interested in getting into a fare war with anyone.


User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

Quoting CP744 (Reply 8):
YMM, unlikely, WS and AC have pretty much saturated that market. Adding a third sked carrier wouldn't do much other than erode the revenue. I don't believe 5T is interested in getting into a fare war with anyone.

I think NWAL already operate a YZF-YSM-YMM routing a couple of times a week.


User currently offlineCP744 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4638 times:

Quoting YOW (Reply 9):
NWAL already operate a YZF-YSM-YMM routing a couple of times a week

They do indeed, twice, connecting flight in YSM to YZF. They also flight YMM to YXE twice a week.


User currently offlineWolsingerjet From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4460 times:

Quoting CP744 (Reply 8):
I'd be interested in where you got this info from?

I have a pretty tight fit in the buisness you could say.TSH plans to add the aircraft to expand its relationship with 5T and help operate flights from the many destinations to places such as CYNR.The YEG-YMM-YZF flight has been being talked about for sometime and its only a matter of time till its added.A third F-100 will be added by or during the spring of 2007.The Dash-8's will also serve some of the TSH services it offers on a charter level...



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User currently offlineCP744 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

Quoting Wolsingerjet (Reply 11):
I have a pretty tight fit in the buisness you could say.

Thanks, Another Boeing is certainly being looked at, a -300 or -500. They could just bring back one of the -200 from the desert if they were desperate.

I really would be surprised by another F-100.  banghead   headache 
The F-100 doesn't have the legs, nor the -200's to fly to the East Coast for HZP without a tech stop. Hence, looking for a -300/500.

DHC8's... Will be interesting to watch this develop over the next year or so. I can see continued service to YHY.
I hadn't thought of YZF-YMM, that might be interesting.
Some regional work out of YZF and YFB.
Some charter work for HZP.
I think they would like to try and capture more of the YYC market going north. Maybe some more flights between YYC and YEG to feed the other flights going north. It was IMHO a big mistake to cancel the YYC-YZF flights, although they had little choice with the circumstances.

So, when you look at all the possibilities, maybe 6-8 DHC8's isn't totally "out of the picture". Although I've been told 3 or 4 is more likely.If you include TSH, sure I can see that many DHC8's although I don't think I would include TSH's work in with 5T's.....

Cheers,


User currently offlineWolsingerjet From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

The 737-300's have been talked about for 2 yrs already and I have herd that 2 could be added relativley soon.When you consider that the 200's are almost always in need of attention for mtc.One aircraft just had some pretty major elevator problems that took it offline for over a week.On another note 7F is getting serious about a 200 replacement aswell and is talking about adding 757's to replace a few.The airline likes how the aircraft performed in arctic conditions with airgreenland and Icelandair.Might be a little big to some people but the economics over the 732 would make a half empty 752 more efficent for them...


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User currently offlineCP744 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

Quoting Wolsingerjet (Reply 13):
adding 757's to replace a few

I had heard that it was to be configed to a freighter to replace the 727.

Quoting Wolsingerjet (Reply 13):
200's are almost always in need of attention for mtc

Yes, after the summer they've had, mtce to clean up some nagging snags would be nice. Although 3 of them are sked for "D" checks starting in a few weeks. Probably going to tie up a -200 until Feb. I believe most of the -200's are around 60K cycles. I seem to recall reading somewhere that Boeing feels that under the right maintenance regime, 100K-120K cycle is not out of the question.... This seems rather high to me, but I'm certainly no AME, any AME's care to comment on this number?

Cheers,


User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Quoting CP744 (Reply 8):
believe one of the F-100's will fly for CNRL, once GPS certified, as well as some charter work.
I could see some regional work out of YZF and YFB with the DHC8's, although a total of 8 DHC8's would be very surprising. Maybe two or three.

The thing is, doing so could upset some of their Tier II partners like Borek out of YFB, but guys like Aklak wouldn't be affected. I've never understood why on the days when 7F's YZF-YFS run doesn't go to YXY, why they wouldn't serve Fort Liard 3x weekly...does anyone fly there? Maybe at 800 population and with road access to Simpson, Liard isn't big enough???

Quoting Wolsingerjet (Reply 13):
On another note 7F is getting serious about a 200 replacement aswell and is talking about adding 757's to replace a few.



Quoting CP744 (Reply 14):
Quoting Wolsingerjet (Reply 13):
adding 757's to replace a few

I had heard that it was to be configed to a freighter to replace the 727.

I heard that too, to replace UFA on the food-mail run, maybe convert another 752 to a combi to replace XFA. I'm not in any hurry to see the 722s go though.


User currently offlineWolsingerjet From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

I guess PXD is gone to africa or south america now?Sad,I grew up with that airplane and remember seeing it in PWA,and Echo bay livery.It served with 7F for a while didnt it???


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User currently offlineMarkabcan From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

Quoting CP744 (Reply 12):
I think they would like to try and capture more of the YYC market going north. Maybe some more flights between YYC and YEG to feed the other flights going north. It was IMHO a big mistake to cancel the YYC-YZF flights, although they had little choice with the circumstances.

I think they should definately expand out of YYC! I'm confused, who canceled YYC-YZF flights?


User currently offlineCP744 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Quoting Markabcan (Reply 17):
who canceled YYC-YZF flights?

Sorry if it wasn't clear, we were talking about 5T.
There haven't been any YYC non-stop YZF flights all summer. All the flights have stopped in YEG. Non-stop service is returning Aug 21.


User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1630 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

Hey Wollsinger...go to aviagraf.com... As long as they are updating the fleet....*wink*

Will be great to see the Polar Bear on more aircraft!



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User currently offlineWolsingerjet From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

Quoting Markabcan (Reply 17):
I think they should definately expand out of YYC! I'm confused, who canceled YYC-YZF flights?

Loads from YYC-YZF arent that great the F-28 used to be fairly hard to fill out of YYC.



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User currently offlineCP744 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3952 times:

Quoting Wolsingerjet (Reply 16):
It served with 7F for a while didnt it???

I think it was retired from 7F in late 2005. I think???? it went to Transafrik or Air Gemini.


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