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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 46
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2664 times:
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After reading this thread...
Delta To Fly JFK-LGW (by Jetlanta Jul 28 2006 in Civil Aviation)
... I've been asking myself a question - maybe a stupid one: isn't this "Bermuda II" agreement unlawful? I mean, shouldn't any carrier be allowed to operate flights between 2 countries?

I would like to hear some opinions and maybe some factual background about how this agreement took place, as I had never heard of it before (I'm not a civil aviation expert, obviously).

Thank you
-Manuel


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User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Well that kind of depends who you ask, but.... No, it was an air services agreement signed between 2 sovereign nations so there was nothing illegal about it when it was signed. Many air services agreements have had restrictions on them of some sort or another, be it number of flights, number of carriers, etc. BII may be particularly restrictive regarding LHR access but that in itself does not make it illegal.

Since then, however, the world has moved on and the European Union has effectively ruled that individual air services agreements between EU states and the US (and other countries I guess) are illegal under European law. However until there is a re-negotiation of BII then it is the legal agreement that stands.

This is where things start to get rather murky in the realm of EU politics and law and the theoretical pooling of jurisdiction and the rights of individual states. At which point I am probably already WAAAY out of my depth and will bow out to those with greater expertise than me....


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20632 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

Quoting ManuCH (Thread starter):
isn't this "Bermuda II" agreement unlawful?

How can it be unlawful? It's a treaty agreed to by two countries.

Quoting ManuCH (Thread starter):
I had never heard of it before

Tons of archived threads about it, including one with the full text. May I suggest looking through Civ-Av "Archived" using *bermuda* as your topic search (including the asterisks, and clicking "thread-starters") for a wealth of information on the subject.  Smile



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2609 times:
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Thank you for your replies, they make sense indeed  Smile ... I will try searching "Civ-Av Archived". Maybe using the asterisks I'll find something ...

-Manuel



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