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B6 To End BUR-MCO Service...  
User currently offlineInthesky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8230 times:

Well, only 1 month into the new service, JetBlue has decided to cancel it's BUR-MCO and BUR-LAS service effective in November.

I guess it didn't work out as much as they had liked.

Rob

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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8222 times:

How can thirty days of a new route be judged as poor indications? Although BUR-MCO is an interesting city pairing.


You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 819 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8218 times:

its actually Nov. 13th we end the service. its actually really dissappointing that we end this service. i would've thought the BUR-MCO flight would've done well at least w/ the execs w/ Disney and all w/ the direct flights between Orlando and LA. oh well...wonder where we'll send the plane to instead.

still this has me pondering...why are we already deciding to discontinue the service after only 1 month. hell, JFK-SDQ lasted quite a bit longer before being cut. same w/ IAD-SMF.

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineJetBlueNYFL From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8188 times:

Why are the BUR-MCO and BUR-LAS flights still loaded in the system and able to be booked though 1/8/07???

Maybe the yields were poor on the transcon with these fuel prices. Also, BUR-LAS is tough with only 1 flight a day and WN operating this route frequently. Is it possible that these will even be seasonal summer routes??

I wonder when BUF-MCO will be official.



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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8180 times:

Oh well, some routes just aren't meant to be. Though, I am very surprised that they are cancelling these routes just a month after they started service. I have always been kind of worried and had second thoughts when JetBlue first announced the BUR-MCO route. I thought BUR-LAS was going to do decently well, but I guess not. Oh well, the cancellation of these routes is for the greater good of the company. Why keep a route that isn't profitable? JetBlue did what had to be done.


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User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 819 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8180 times:

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 3):
Why are the BUR-MCO and BUR-LAS flights still loaded in the system and able to be booked though 1/8/07???

probably just hasn't been removed from the reservation system yet.

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8175 times:

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 3):
Maybe the yields were poor on the transcon with these fuel prices. Also, BUR-LAS is tough with only 1 flight a day and WN operating this route frequently. Is it possible that these will even be seasonal summer routes??

I doubt it. Though, I could be wrong. Why would they just operate a flight for a month? It just doesn't make sense for them to do that.  Smile



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User currently offlineONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 591 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8137 times:

The fate of BUR-LAS is probably tied to BUR-MCO. Flight 349 arrives in BUR at 1750 and that aircraft then does a BUR-LAS-BUR turn before it RONs in BUR. Without the BUR-MCO flight there is no plane to do the LAS turn without adjusting the BUR-JFK schedule.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8104 times:

November begins the off-peak period in MCO up until Christmas. From Nov 1 through the beginning of Christmas week, Disneyworld hotels have their lowest rates of the year due to this.

You might see B6 restart this route for the peak season (spring break months).

As for the LAS run, it was dependent on the MCO flight. Being once a day, it was pointless.

Either they need to get a jet out here to do LAS-BUR shuttles back and forth, or dump the idea.

Either way, they'd be better off running the MCO-BUR flight at 9:30AM EST, arriving BUR at 11:50AM, then depart BUR 12:45PM and arrive MCO 8:30PM. That way there's no RON at BUR.

One problem with the schedule of the current flight is that it eats up a whole day of business by leaving at 8AM and arriving 3:45PM in MCO. Leaving after noon allows for all the morning meetings and calls to be made before taking the flight. And arriving in BUR before noon allows for afternoon meetings. While the timing was great for vacationers, it wasn't so hot for business people.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7990 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
November begins the off-peak period in MCO up until Christmas. From Nov 1 through the beginning of Christmas week, Disneyworld hotels have their lowest rates of the year due to this.

There is no off-peak for business travel, which the flight was aimed at. Also, Disney is very empty between after Thanksgiving and about a week or two before Christamas, but early November isn't that slow.

I wonder what this means for the planned FLL-BUR, which was going to start around Jan07.



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User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7958 times:

Well, I think that BUR-FLL would be a red-eye which is using a plane that normally would sit on the ground in FLL.

The MCO-BUR service were both daytime flights (both flying at the same time) that actually utilized 2 aircraft....

Rob


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7947 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
How can thirty days of a new route be judged as poor indications? Although BUR-MCO is an interesting city pairing.

I agree - that was very fast?

Quoting B6FA4ever (Reply 2):
its actually really dissappointing that we end this service. i would've thought the BUR-MCO flight would've done well at least w/ the execs w/ Disney a

Dont the Disney execs fly in F class on legacy carriers......and doesnt Disney have contracts with the network carriers, I dont really think JetBlue expected the Disney men and women to fly a LCC in Y class.

Quoting ONT 737 (Reply 7):
The fate of BUR-LAS is probably tied to BUR-MCO. Flight 349 arrives in BUR at 1750 and that aircraft then does a BUR-LAS-BUR turn before it RONs in BUR. Without the BUR-MCO flight there is no plane to do the LAS turn without adjusting the BUR-JFK schedule.

That makes sense. And one flight in a market like this rarely works.


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Again, JetBlue is having some growing pains.......and the airline seems to run into trouble when it attempts expansion outside of its JFK homebase. That JetBlue is dumping these routes is certainly not the end of the world....but its clear that JetBlue will have challenges putting all of those new A320s and E190s to work....on profitable routes.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7897 times:

I'm not pleased to hear this...It had been mentioned that B6 was hoping for BUR to become a growth/focus city...If their first two new cities from BUR were dropped this fast, it doesn't bode well.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11):
but its clear that JetBlue will have challenges putting all of those new A320s and E190s to work....on profitable routes.

Indeed, but it's good to see that they are on top of the situation and redeploying assets when necessary...But at the same time, it does take time to develop markets.

I wonder if jetBlue regrets the fact that they have hundreds of aircraft deliveries ahead of them...


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3018 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7868 times:

This is so odd. Definitely didn't see this once coming. Granted, BUR-MCO hasn't seen the greatest LF's this past month, but usually Thursdays and Fridays do okay. BUR-LAS hasn't been that full either, but you would think that they'd give it some more time to develop.

Methinks that JetBlue has some other plan for BUR. The JFK-BUR flights perform absolutely amazingly, so maybe they're planning on IAD and BOS flights as well. Keep in mind that BUR has only so much space for expansion, so maybe they are eyeing some other cities that will be more profitable.

Though this still remains very odd...

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7790 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 12):
Indeed, but it's good to see that they are on top of the situation and redeploying assets when necessary...But at the same time, it does take time to develop markets.

This is my thought exactly. The company I worked for previously had the same syndrome. Having been used to extreme success, if a new product didnt instantly turned to gold, it wasnt nurtured or advertised more, it was removed from the stores. I think sometimes JetBlue might suffer the same fate.


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7755 times:

Quoting Inthesky74 (Thread starter):
JetBlue has decided to cancel it's BUR-MCO and BUR-LAS

And the response from the JetBlue people will be...

They needed the aircraft on a high yielding route?
They needed the aircraft to increase capacity on another route?
They need to return the aircraft to reduce costs?

BUR-MCO FAILED
BUR-LAS FAILED
SMF-IAD FAILED
EWR-SJU FAILED
JFK-SDQ FAILED


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7746 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 15):
BUR-MCO FAILED
BUR-LAS FAILED
SMF-IAD FAILED
EWR-SJU FAILED
JFK-SDQ FAILED

Add the ATL experiment.


User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7731 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 15):
And the response from the JetBlue people will be...

They needed the aircraft on a high yielding route?
They needed the aircraft to increase capacity on another route?
They need to return the aircraft to reduce costs?

Spin baby, spin!

 spin   spin   spin 

Yes, JetBlue has "failed" at certain routes, but honestly, what airline hasn't? I feel more comfortable working for an airline that recognizes and changes mistakes then one that keeps a failing route for prestige, ego, or competition.


User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4287 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7687 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11):
Dont the Disney execs fly in F class on legacy carriers

Disney has a fleet of corporate jets they use to shuttle their execs around. When that is not available they usually charter.

Texan



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3018 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7670 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 15):
And the response from the JetBlue people will be...

They needed the aircraft on a high yielding route?
They needed the aircraft to increase capacity on another route?
They need to return the aircraft to reduce costs?

BUR-MCO FAILED
BUR-LAS FAILED
SMF-IAD FAILED
EWR-SJU FAILED
JFK-SDQ FAILED

Yep...all these routes failed (as well as ATL). No exuses, but instead the reality that these two new routes were miscalculated and, instead, it's better to deploy assets elsewhere where they'll be more useful (see: JFK, BOS).

But, quite honestly, in today's day and age it's important that airlines drop unprofitable routes. This has become more common at all U.S airlines over the last few years; it's nice to see that airlines are being profit-driven instead of market share-driven.

I wonder what JetBlue's future plans for BUR are now. As I stated before, the BUR-JFK flights are doing amazingly and are very profitable for B6. I would assume that BOS and IAD could bring some really nice profits in as well.

Perhaps it's better to stick to the business crowd for BUR flights. Note how both MCO and LAS are mostly leisure destinations.

JetBluefan1



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User currently onlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7580 times:

I think B6 should just send that flight to MCO-SAN. The O&D is around 400 PAX a day with no non-stop service.


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7493 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 18):
Disney has a fleet of corporate jets they use to shuttle their execs around. When that is not available they usually charter.

Texan

I've also been told that UA's MCO-LAX flight has a good amount of full-fare paying Disney folks on board...reason that it's a mainline A320 instead of a A320 from Theodore (RAR!) is Disney wants those First Class seats on that route (and is willing to ante up the money for it). I've been told that UA is the preferred carrier for Disney employees, so it is a plausible reason.


User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7390 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 15):
BUR-MCO FAILED
BUR-LAS FAILED
SMF-IAD FAILED
EWR-SJU FAILED
JFK-SDQ FAILED

Dude, didn't we go through this in some other thread? JetBlue makes mistakes, just like all airlines. They are not the "perfect" airline, and they are going to make mistakes. It is what business do, they drop or change things that are unprofitable for them. Keep in mind that with all the routes/new cities JetBlue starts a year. That rarely any of them have been "discontinued." JetBlue has a great Route Planning team, I'm sure. They make miscalculations just like anyone.



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User currently offlineJetBlueNYFL From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7390 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 15):
BUR-MCO FAILED
BUR-LAS FAILED
SMF-IAD FAILED
EWR-SJU FAILED
JFK-SDQ FAILED

I'm too lazy to go and research this, but would someone care to post the dropped routes from all the other airlines in this country? I don't think there would be enough gigabites in cyberspace to accomodate such a list! MalpensaSFO, what would be the purpose to continue flying an UNPROFITABLE route!?!?!?!?

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 16):
Add the ATL experiment.

Add DL's Song experiment...a much bigger failure than jetBlue failing at ATL!

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 17):
Yes, JetBlue has "failed" at certain routes, but honestly, what airline hasn't? I feel more comfortable working for an airline that recognizes and changes mistakes then one that keeps a failing route for prestige, ego, or competition.

 checkmark  Couldn't agree more!

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 19):
Perhaps it's better to stick to the business crowd for BUR flights. Note how both MCO and LAS are mostly leisure destinations.

I agree that jetBlue should stick to the business crowd for BUR flights, but on MCO and LAS being mostly leisure destinations...yes AND no. Both cities actually have fairly large convention centers...I think LAS is #1 in the country for business conferenes?

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 20):
I think B6 should just send that flight to MCO-SAN. The O&D is around 400 PAX a day with no non-stop service.

Wow, I had no idea the O&D traffic between MCO and SAN was so high! If that really is the case, B6 can easily support 2x A320 daily between these two cities! David and Dave, if you're reading this...please look into that route!



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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7370 times:

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 24):
Add DL's Song experiment...a much bigger failure than jetBlue failing at ATL!

Malpensa, keep in mind that this was a failed business. Not a failed route, or city.  Wink

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 24):
Wow, I had no idea the O&D traffic between MCO and SAN was so high! If that really is the case, B6 can easily support 2x A320 daily between these two cities! David and Dave, if you're reading this...please look into that route!

That's great! Does JetBlue still have that suggest a city? If so, perhaps someone should suggest this. It sounds like it could do wonders for JetBlue.  Smile



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25 MalpensaSFO : Song, was not dropped as you would like to use a Jet Blue juice drinkers spin on things. Song was successful enough that Delta Airlines has decided t
26 JetBlueNYFL : bla...bla...bla...bla...bla! Song WAS dropped. Anyway you try and twist it, they were simply NOT succeseful. If Song was profitable, they would have
27 MalpensaSFO : Educate yourself before you post something false again.. Ha Ha... That is rich, however totally false... Read Delta Airlines press releases about Son
28 MAH4546 : Guys, ignore MalpensaSFO who is nothing more than a troll that is trying to annoy you guys. By responding to him, you are doing nothing more than maki
29 JetBluefan1 : Wait...what? OAK/LGB-ATL - 2003 JFK-SDQ - 2005 EWR-SJU - 2006 IAD-SMF - 2006 LAS/MCO-BUR - 2006 Four routes will be dropped in 2006. 14 routes have b
30 Coronado990 : Here are the number from last quarter 2005... "Orlando/Kissimmee, FL" to "San Diego, CA" 2148.00 387.60 199.65 "DL" 24.25 196.31 "WN" 19.60 176.18 Bo
31 JetBluefan1 : Yep. While he should be ignored, sometimes it's just fun to point out the obvious flaws in his arguments (such as skewing numbers, making up facts).
32 B752OS : Could they possibly use the aircraft to start BOS-MSY? AA did to restart the route after Katrina. So he is biased with MIA. Most people in here are bi
33 Post contains images MAH4546 : Yes, I claim to live in four cities at once all the time. Tourist traffic or not, check average fare's for O&D passengers on comparitive Miami- and B
34 Wmupilot : I think that many of us didn't expect the route to preform well. I was really suprised when we announced BUR-LAS and BUR-MCO. Even though it does take
35 Laxintl : This might be a case of United 1 , Jetblue 0 From what I hear the Jetblue BUR-MCO was heavily targeted to appeal to entertainment industry crowd speci
36 Halls120 : If it was really aimed at business people, someone at B6 evidently didn't talk to their prospective business customers. As the top post notes, the sc
37 JetBlueNYFL : Finally, someone who actually makes sense!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think the reason that any B6 thread turns into an argument is because those who dislike jetB
38 Post contains images Wmupilot : I do have to agree with you on this one. I was thinking that we started it to try and draw traffic away from LAX. There is no way we where going to p
39 AirWillie6475 : Well no shit they ended this route, I didn't even know they were flying it now and I live near Burbank Airport. Go figure. They had terrible marketing
40 MAH4546 : For a flight with only one frequency, it is an optimal schedule. Cross-country business trips aren't the typical "in at morning/out at night" thing.
41 SurferX : Does anyone happen to think that this has something to do with the fact that Martin St. George is now the VP of Planning for B6? Especially since he c
42 JetBlueAUS : I know this is kind of off topic, but a recent route addition to MCO started a week or two ago. How is SYR-MCO doing?
43 Halls120 : When I'm flying west to east, I'd rather leave after noon and get in late on the east coast than leave at 8:30 am. That way the entire day isn't blow
44 Wmupilot : I think that is the way most people think. The would rather take the redeye out and have the whole next day to start the vacation. Unfortunatly we di
45 JetBluefan1 : I agree (if I were flying for business). It seems that JetBlue was aiming this at the leisure crowd: take the kiddies to Disney World (even though Di
46 ASFlyer : Yet, oddly enough, Alaska Airlines manages to fill our 737-800/900 aircraft on our two daily nonstops from SEA every single day. We rarely leave with
47 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : I knew these routes would not do so hot and I guess I guessed it right. They seemed like a wierd pair. I always thought IAD-SMF was bad and it was and
48 JetBluefan1 : Definitely. Yet, B6 has neither a hub at BUR nor MCO. No feeder traffic on either end. The point that I was trying to make is that NY/NE has tons of
49 ATLAaron : I would feel better working for an airline that has some sort of decent market research and does not fail over and over on new routes.
50 FA4B6 : Better find a new industry to work in.
51 MtnWest1979 : I always wonder sometimes who does the planning at some airlines. Was their analysis (or apparent lack thereof) so bad that this route sucked, or what
52 ATLAaron : I don't work in the airline industry, nor would I ever. Better to have an interest in aviation as a hobby rather than a career.
53 JetBluefan1 : Airline careers generally aren't the highest paying - but these jobs are best suited for those who love aviation. I agree - the airline industry isn'
54 B752OS : Florida is a hot spot for people from the northeat to both live and vacation in. Florida is a great place, I personally would never live there, but I
55 ATLAaron : Your opinion is bit biased, simply look at your name. I can't remember the last time I saw Delta, CO, UA, or WN pull out of markets they have failed
56 MastaHanky : That's a bit silly, airlines pull out of markets all the time. Look at DL's service to HKY (plus all the midwest cities they just dropped to MCO), or
57 MAH4546 : Delta has discontinued over 40 routes in the past eight months, just FYI.
58 ATLAaron : Right, but did they start and end them within 90 days of one another? I highly doubt it, JetBlue keeps entering these markets, failing and pulling ou
59 MAH4546 : Why don't you check your facts first. Delta Connection, on 15 August 2005, announced four new routes from Orlando: Chattanooga, Charlottesville, Tole
60 Mariner : I guess the classic has to be Delta pulling most (all?) of its routes to Mexico from LAX - and now trying to get them all back. In the case of LAX-ME
61 JetBluefan1 : Of course I'm going to be biased to JetBlue, but the post you responded to was not at all biased. I stated: Now you can tell me to look at what other
62 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Over and Over, they serve many routes and sustain mostly all but what 8 in their entire history. Delta pulled out of 4 recently before even launching
63 Bigdrewfl : How certain are you guys that this route if gone? Im checking the system and the flights are still there past December!
64 Wmupilot : Honestly there has not been an internal memo to the fact yet. I've been watching the intranet as well as company email and I haven't seen any announce
65 MAH4546 : Well, it is the weekend, so if there is going to be an announcement, it will probably come tomorrow if the OP is correct.
66 Daisywol : Trust me, it is a done deal Details will follow shortly
67 JetBluefan1 : Hopefully those "details" will include the FLL announcement as well as flights to BOS and IAD. All of those cities would do well from BUR. JetBluefan
68 Bigdrewfl : Actually I just confirmed it! Its on the Intranet Just look at where its says Important Jetblue Dates/New Service Calendar!
69 InTheSky74 : JetBlue also advised all their crewmembers in MCO and BUR that the service would be ending in November. Rob
70 Wmupilot : Hrm, I haven't looked there in a while. I'll have to check that out, thanx for the information.
71 Newkai : The only F class to BUR is via ORD (out of the way) and PHL. But as mentioned above, they probably would take an exec jet.
72 Richierich : Its very strange that these routes were ended so soon - I guess they were money pits. I'm curious, was there any advertising for these routes? Probabl
73 Post contains images B6MoneyGuyJFK : The service between BUR and MCO and BUR and LAS ended. Period. BUR's other flights do well, and MCO, of course, is MCO. LAS flights are also very pop
74 JetBluefan1 : It looks like the BUR-LAS flight is the only flight that utilizes gate D18 at LAS while all of the other JetBlue flights utilize gate D16. Perhaps the
75 JetBlueAUS : Not to long ago, wasn't there an article saying that JetBlue could be expanding to a few other cities to/from Las Vegas. Do you think that JetBlue mi
76 Dutchjet : Interesting thread......I will re-ask a question posed earlier: Does anyone know or understand why JetBlue was IN and OUT of the MCO-BUR market so ver
77 SurferX : ^^ They are planning on expanding service to/from LAS. At least that's what I was told a couple of weeks ago...
78 Wmupilot : Interesting concept on the New Coke reference. Was the New Coke really a blunder? Or was it an extremely clever way to build more market share? I thi
79 ScottB : I'm reasonably certain that all gates at LAS are common-use, so jetBlue would not have been leasing any gates at all (just the use of them). The funn
80 Richierich : Its a good question. I don't know the answer and I doubt you'll find the truth on here. My guess is that they were looking for some specific performa
81 JetBluefan1 : I'm guessing that was the primary factor. And with BUR-MCO not exactly being the most business-friendly route, I doubt the yields were anywhere close
82 J32driver : How's that bleeding ulser treating you there tough guy? Lighten up... its the airline industry.
83 Laxintl : I think one will see that Jetblue banked on getting Disney corporate business for the BUR-MCO route. Prior to start up even, many Disney people got an
84 Bigdrewfl : I Say go ahead and cancel all the routes that are not working!!! Jetblue is in this business to make money not lose it
85 Wmupilot : Want to come work for us in the route planning department? You could prolly do better! It makes me wonder some times about what they are smoking in F
86 FLALEFTY : Dang! 10 years ago I had to commute from Orlando to Chatsworth every two weeks for work (I was managing a subcontractor). I had my choice of a DL L-10
87 Vegasplanes : All gates in "D" were designed to be common-use gates, they have been re-doing the rest of the airport gates as well. The airlines DO lease individua
88 Icebird757 : Now I have to defend our route planning department here. They don't always make the final decisions on these things and I am sure they might argue ab
89 Post contains links FA4B6 : And here is a Press Release: "3 Airlines Pare Flights at OIA" http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busin...oll=orl-business-headlines-tourism
90 Post contains links Bigdrewfl : Here is a link that might help you out http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busin...oll=orl-business-headlines-tourism airlines pare flight schedules at OI
91 Tommy767 : Go Figure. I'll bet back in the day DL had all the disney execs. on board when they were the official airline of the Walt Disney World Resort. Also A
92 MAH4546 : Official Airline of the Walt Disney Resort doesn't mean Official Airline of Walt Disney Executives.
93 B6MoneyGuyJFK : Yet this is OK by you on the Delta cancells service to KOA thread.
94 Post contains links MAH4546 : Interesting quote from a jetBlue spokesperson: "We offered the wrong non-stop," she said. "We'll just keep doing it till we get it right." This after
95 Ikramerica : Studios sign contracts with UA and AA because they are the only two carriers that offer First Class on international flights, and many, many, many Ho
96 JetBlueNYFL : Wrong. It depends strictly on the person. Not every executive in the modern world is "first class, VIP all the way"....You won't see Gates or Buffet
97 Mariner : i don't think that was Ikramerica's point. No matter how egalitarian some Disney executives are (some), a lot of them are not. They want first class.
98 JetBluefan1 : Actually, I have to agree with Ikamerica on this one. While there are various 'important' business people who fly JetBlue, it's true that most VP's a
99 Sflaflight : Hey Mark, My fingers are crossed too. I think FLL-BUR would compliment LGB very well. Covers the LA Basin well. Now if only a day flight came back. M
100 Laxintl : Another thing to keep in mind with corporate accounts is if carrier A is the prefered carrier for the company, its employees cant very easily go out
101 Tommy767 : Back in the late 1980s and 1990s DL was the premier airline at MCO (EA was dying) and was building up LAX back then. Who else besides DL ran the rout
102 MAH4546 : Universal has virtually no business in Orlando outside of their theme park. A grand total of one show is filmed regularly there, a wrestling show for
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