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User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 5 days ago) and read 5139 times:

Hello all  Smile

I should be traveling on non-rev ID90 on BA from LHR-AMS and back.
Now, I'm just wondering how I can give myself the best chance of an upgrade ?.

I'm going to dress for business (shirt, smart trousers, my school shoes etc) and I'm not going to ask for an upgrade out bold, but my ticket only gives me economy, at the end of the day, I know that's what i'm entitled to and I'm not going to throw a tantrum if I get economy, i'm just grateful to get on the plane and don't expect a seat.
But, the loads in economy are light, which means there's not much hope of being bumped up for load reasons, but what I wanted to ask, was what I can do to give myself a chance of getting club ?
What are your tips ?, should I ask about business or how they are, have a chat with them if they aren;t bussy etc ?
I was even thinking of politely asking 'I hope this doesn't sound cheeky, but is there a chance of a seat in club ?', is that a wise idea
Also, If I was to ask, where should I ask ?, at the gate (deliberatly be at the end of the quee as not to hold them up) or at check-in ?

Thank you in advance
Wrighbrothers


Always stand up for what is right, even if it means standing alone..
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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5176 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5132 times:

To be honest I wouldn;t bother on the LHR-AMS route.

The flight is about 40 minutes, the seats are the same as economy.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

Ask at the gate.......there is no harm in asking if there is any possibility of getting a seat in Club. Dont push the issue, be polite and tell the gate agent that you would be grateful for any help that he or she could offer.....in general, they will do their best for you if you dont "demand" anything that you are not entitled to. You may just get lucky.

Quoting ANstar (Reply 1):
To be honest I wouldn;t bother on the LHR-AMS route.

The flight is about 40 minutes, the seats are the same as economy.

I agree, but, on the other hand, its always fun to sit up front.


User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5099 times:

When a guy that I work with and I did our 'round the world trip we flew LHR to HKG on BA. We ask at the Non-Rev counter what the procedure was to be upgraded, acting sorta dumb about the subject. We ask if there were Non-Rev upgrades that were avable to purchas as UsAir does. We ended up not getting the upgrade due to a full flight, so we were told by both the ticket agent and the gate agent. It turned out to be the worst flight of the trip due to the lack of seat pitch and my height of 6'4''.

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Thread starter):
Hello all

I should be traveling on non-rev ID90 on BA from LHR-AMS and back.
Now, I'm just wondering how I can give myself the best chance of an upgrade ?.

Staff onloads and upgrades are processed automatically by the DCS system as a general rule, based on a specific upgrade authority/priority code that depends on your category (e.g. if you work for BA, are you on duty, and about 1000 other parameters) - system assesses everyone's categories and upgrades accordingly. No point in even asking, usually - I think the gate agents can override the system, but I don't think they do very often.

If you tell me the flight you've listed on, I can check if your STF code offers the possibility of an upgrade.


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

Its a 40 min flt, no realy diff from y and j other than 2-3 not 3-3 sme seat pitch, maybe a little more

AMS is a busy route sometimes


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Thread starter):
I was even thinking of politely asking 'I hope this doesn't sound cheeky, but is there a chance of a seat in club ?', is that a wise idea

I've been non-revving for 25 years, and find that most gate agents are incredibly turned off when you solicit for an upgrade. In this day and age, their priority is their revenue customers, and dispatching the flight on time. BA staff are generally very courteous, but do you think they really want to have mindless chit chat at the gate regarding business?? If it materializes, consider it a bonus. I have received more upgrades over time by not asking. If you're suitably dressed, it certainly enhances your chances and consideration.

[Edited 2006-07-30 00:43:50]


Above and Beyond
User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5015 times:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Thread starter):
Now, I'm just wondering how I can give myself the best chance of an upgrade ?.

Buy yourself a full fare Y ticket, join the Exec club, travel a lot and grow up....


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

According to your profile you're 13-15 years of age. Just hope they don't charge you an unaccompanied minor fee!!

 boggled 



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineBAxMAN From St. Helena, joined May 2004, 671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4992 times:

Quoting RTFM (Reply 7):
Buy yourself a full fare Y ticket, join the Exec club, travel a lot and grow up....

No can do. Got to be 18 to do that.

I didn't realise that you could travel non-rev as a UM though!



I need to get laid
User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4977 times:

Quoting BAxMAN (Reply 9):
No can do. Got to be 18 to do that.

Well that's sort of what I meant.. Perhaps I should have listed that bit first....  Smile


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

This is not exactly the best flight for Club anyway as you're rushed through a meal and there isn't really much time to enjoy the perks, i'd just stick to Y and not bother asking. If you get Club, that's great, if you don't, it isn't much of a loss,

Sam



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

Would he be UM?  Smile
I don't know what the BA policy is, but at CO you have to be 15 to be classifed as non-UM, with UA it's 14 (and I actually flew non-UM at 14 with United, FRA-IAD-BTV)
-Mr. X



What now?
User currently offlineJonno From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4900 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 1):

No, 34" pitch, a meal, drinks service, 2 x 2 up front, middle seat blocked off.


User currently offlineCusaeng From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):
No point in even asking, usually - I think the gate agents can override the system, but I don't think they do very often.

not sure about that i work for ba and the past few times ive asked on id90's ive been bumped up at the gate. i guess it just depends on the draggon at the desk  Wink good luck tho



I wanna fly but they wont let me :( grr
User currently offlineBAxMAN From St. Helena, joined May 2004, 671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 12):
Would he be UM?
I don't know what the BA policy is, but at CO you have to be 15 to be classifed as non-UM, with UA it's 14 (and I actually flew non-UM at 14 with United, FRA-IAD-BTV)
-Mr. X

Nah. 12+ can travel unaccompanied.

I'd assume the OP is travelling with Daddy, although staff travel T&C's will let a 12-15 year old travel alone. However, they must be capable of handling staff travel/airport procedures, and the OP indicates a lack of familiarity in this respect, so I'd guess he ain't unaccompanied.

Wonder what a young teen would get up to if they were bumped from the flight and had to spend an evening in AMS?

Quoting BA Staff Travel Policy Guide:

5.3 Before allowing children between the ages of 12 and 15 years to travel unaccompanied the employee must ensure that the child is capable of handling all relevant staff travel and airport procedures prior to boarding the aircraft. A child must be capable of handling security checks/passport control formalities and must be able to find the appropriate departure point without any special attention and assistance from Customer Service staff whose their primary responsibility is to assist our commercial customers.



I need to get laid
User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4762 times:

I remember checking in at the BA staff travel desk once and saw a sign that said " Please do not ask for an upgrade, as denial often offends."

User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

Quoting Jonno (Reply 13):
2 x 2 up front

Its 2-3 not 2-2, Left side of aircraft goes ACwith the b seat made smaller so ther eis extra space, DEF are the same


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

Quoting Jonno (Reply 13):
No, 34" pitch, a meal, drinks service, 2 x 2 up front, middle seat blocked off.



Quoting Trekster (Reply 17):
DEF are the same

2+3 seats, middle seat on the ABC side shrunk, DEF stretched slightly. Always sit on the left in BA Club Europe, it's much nicer.


User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

There is really not much point trying for an upgrade on LHR-AMS. A few years ago I was on a KLM flight and it was less than 20 minutes in duration. The winds and traffic patterns were such that as we left AMS we were almost immediately on long finals to Heathrow.

Also in the few years I have been using rebate travel the upgrades that I've got - only one was the result of me asking, all the rest were done by either DCS or a colleague putting in a word for me at the despatchers office.



Flown on A300B4/600,A319/20/21,A332/3,A343,B727,B732/3/4/5/6/7/8,B741/2/4,B752/3,B762/3,B772/3,DC10,L1011-200,VC10,MD80,
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4622 times:

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 19):
colleague putting in a word for me at the despatchers office.

This is another good way if you can swing it - have a quiet word with the route controller who manages the inventory - on a lot of flights, usually longhaul where they don't have moveable curtain, they have to take seats out of premium cabins for economy pax - if you are one of the lucky few, you can get an operational upgrade that is firm and won't be overridden by DCS. Normally they select prems for this type of upgrade, but if you know someone who knows someone, they don't normally object.


User currently offlineAlaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4586 times:

go for it, I'd just try. won't hurt anyone to give it a go.
give it a try at check-in because if you get upgraded there you could go into the lounge. also the food is worth it up front, I've seen pictures of the food and it looks great for a 40 minute flight!
~Cheers-
~~Kyle H.
hope you have a fun and safe flight no matter what class... but I'll be hoping you getting an up-grade



to some people the sky is the limit, to aviation enthusiasts, its home!
User currently offlineCusaeng From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4511 times:

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 21):
give it a try at check-in because if you get upgraded there you could go into the lounge.

thats a big no no on an id90. ba staff travel rules say you can use the lounges and any wash packs that would usualy be given to paying passangers need to be declined. i supose if you can get the upgrade at checkin you could always play dumb and try to get in  Wink



I wanna fly but they wont let me :( grr
User currently offlineVC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4470 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):
Staff onloads and upgrades are processed automatically

I must agree with JGPHIA on this, as having worked for BA for some 36 years I have quite a high on load priority, but would not dream of asking for upgrades, as when they can, the staff normally do, and those who cannot be bothered to try are not going to have their mind altered by someone asking.

Also the young man in question at his age must be travelling on a relatives concession, and you are reminded to always tell people how to behave when travelling on a staff ticket, and not to hassle staff even if done politely, as this could result in the relative being reported to staff travel and having their concessions curtailed in some way.

Get your seat, don't broadcast that you are traveling as staff, be polite and enjoy your flight, but do remember you are travelling on another persons concession so you have to be extra polite

littlevc10


User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

Quoting Cusaeng (Reply 22):
i supose if you can get the upgrade at checkin you could always play dumb and try to get in

No point - we'll just say "no". Trust me - this is something I deal with on a daily basis.

Seriously, don't expect an upgrade on a LHR-AMS service (or any other) with an M class priority. If you're on standby at the gate, then maybe we'll do it there, but only if we're totally full in M class. Of course, if you're nice to me, I might just take care of you....  Wink

The important thing is to remember that revenue takes priority. Simple as that. Sometimes, if I have a lot of staff to onload on a euro flight and I have the time to do it (not very often, as we board at -27 and close at -10, giving me just 17 minutes to do everything), I'll move Gold and Silver card holders to C class and seat non-revs in M. Often though, the Golds are already all in C class, then i'll put staff in C class, subject to permission from the dispatcher.

Remember, it's only about 40 minutes airborne..is it really even worth it? I'd personally save the upgrade 'favours' for things like LHR-YYZ, LHR-LAX or LHR-SIN...the sectors where you're much better-off in J class.


25 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : Firstly , thanks for the replys. No,I'm travelling on my own. Of course, I'm always extra polite when I travel, even if it's some ridiculous hour in t
26 JGPH1A : Replied - not looking hopeful for UG, sorry mate - you'll get on the flight though, no sweat. J
27 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : Thanks, getting on is the most important thing though Wrighty
28 Post contains images Kaddyuk : Doesnt Non-Rev rule? Most airlines run a policy of no free upgrades unless required for operational reasons. Upgrades are monitored and challenged if
29 Post contains images Jonno : Gracious! I didn't know DEF were three across! My preference for 2A pays off! I just pay the dosh for the trip, C/F is just a better experience, esp.
30 COEXpilot : I've been doin it for 20 years. Flyin free is the shit. and about the upgrades. Every once and a while on CO goin IAH-PHX or vise versa the only seat
31 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : It certainly is That's one way of putting it Hmm, that might be tricky though. Wrighbrothers
32 G-CIVP : As another contributor mentioned above, its a forty to fifty minute flight and you will spend more time taxi-ing around LHR, waiting to check-in, clea
33 Kaddyuk : I dont always ask but if i know the CSD/FSM i'll just ask them if there is a free bed for me to get some shuteye... They're normally willing...
34 Evan767 : Wow, you guys should try Delta, if there is a seat in the front, and no one else is on the upgrade list, and your next in line for a seat, you get it.
35 FI642 : My experience has been that Staff Travel at T4 don't upgrade. If I have checked bags, I avoid NRSA travel through LHR.
36 LHR777 : Not true - I've only ever had either WTP or J class from Staff travel at T4. Longhaul i've flown EZE, YYZ, ORD, JFK and SIN from LHR T4. Euro flights
37 JGPH1A : Did they get rid of the staff check-in at T1 then ? There used to a little back hovel you went into. This was a few years ago though.
38 AV8AJET : I have staff traveled on BA from PHX-LHR-PHX and was "upgraded" on the LHR to PHX flight from Y into WTP+. It was a huge difference from the Y class
39 LHR777 : No, it's still there, just past Zone R. In T4, long-haul only check-in at staff travel. Euro check-in at Zone B. In T1, I know long-haul use staff tr
40 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : Oh, I didn't know that, thanks, so thye won't process you at all at staff travel ? European route non-revs use the stand-by desk in T1, the same as y
41 Frntman : When I non-reved on BA (working for another carrier), the ticket was always done in "M" class, which I was told meant priority for coach, but upgradea
42 Shamrock_747 : I wasn't aware things were ever done that way - that definitely doesn't happen now! If you're travelling on a M priority ticket T4 staff travel will
43 Wrighbrothers : So, thank you for all the replies. Now, bottom line, should I or shouldn't I if an upgrade is possible (In the most polite way, big smiles ,done with
44 JGPH1A : Short answer - no, I wouldn't. No chance of getting one, so leave it to fate.
45 Englandair : If it's an airbus then there won't be a CSD, just a purser as the incharge crew member. I don't know how things work on eurofleet but I'm worldwide c
46 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : Well, I have did the trip, and I went in Y both ways That's what exactly I did on the way out (I didn't ask on thw way back), and unfortunaltly there
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