NYC Int'l From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (16 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2469 times:
Well its sittig right there for anyone who wants it to come and get it, it also has a luxury that airports in major cities (including STL) don't, space the airport has puchased thousands of acres around it for future expansion it also has great transportation. This is a $350 million dollar airport with no tenants, it is completly empty, they are currently planning to add a second runway. Oh, did I mention it is just a few miles outside of St. Louis! If US Airways wanted to build a hub there I am sure that they could get alot of money from the local gov't which is eager to get service(wich they have failed to do for over a year now). whay do you think? STL is close to its cap. it is clear to everyone that sooner or later MidAmerica will have be used as the regions second airport, with all the land they are buying it may very well become as large as lamebert!
FedEx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (16 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2468 times:
Why? St Louis sucks for revenue and Chicago and Dallas
are the only true midwest revenue making cities where
people actually travel!! Who in their right mind is going
to fly to St Louis to see a Arch? I could fly to Utah and
see and Natural one in Canyonlands National Park. I get
your point, open airport,land,money=succes but it's all
about location my friend. Now if Disney where to make
some money some where and they open a Mark McGwire
amusment park in St Louis then maybe. But until then
no way! UsAirways and mister Airworlf are concetrating
on getting flights to Europe and the Medeteranian from
North Carolina and Pittsburgh.Good idea but location location!
NYC Int'l From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (16 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2468 times:
I agree about STL not being a great location as far as an ultimate destination is concerned. but Midamerica by all accounts is the Key to that regions future airtraffic growth. like I said Lambert is approaching its operating limits, and the new runway is only going to streatch this out unitl 2015. Clearly Midamerica will eventually become very very important to the region. Origionating traffic is nice & I am sure there will be some but Mid americ for now gives them a very cheap connecting point to the west. all they would have to do is mirror TWAs sched. to the west & I am sure they would win TWA pax, coupled with uncertainty about the future of TWA and I think they would do well. Or what do you think about Gary? its closer to downtown CHI than ORD.
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (16 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2468 times:
I've been to midamerica before... when I was there, just driving along I-70 watching the trees and farmland... then an airport appeared. It was strange! Figured out it was midamerica. There is absolutley nothing there! I personally dont think that the area could support a hub.
Bush From Canada, joined May 1999, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (16 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2468 times:
What's this? An airport that has no tenants is buying land and building a second runway? And they've tried unsuccessfully, for a year, to attract new services? Is the airport's management blind? Going out on a whim and a prayer hoping that someday, a major airline will choose 'middle of nowhere USA' to open another sorting centre? Well hello there, white elephant.
Boeing757 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (16 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2468 times:
I have to agree with the comments about Midamerica airport. St. Louis is a big city with a small town attitude. Midamerica does not make any sense at this time. I have been to Midamerica and I can tell you people who live in St. Louis are not going to travel to that farmers field to catch a flight. I live in St. Louis and have talked to several people here who think Midamerica is a joke. By the way there is NOTHING in St. Louis.
Gattboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (16 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2470 times:
Its all about the hubs and the spokes, baby!
Most Hub cities seem kind of arbitrary and stupid when you think about them... are that many people really going to Detroit, or Pittsburgh, or Atlanta?
The answer...no! Relatively few people ever actually are going to a hub city when they are on a plane to one. If even half the people on every Delta flight through ATL actually got off in Atlanta, the city would be a zoo in minutes. But they don't, and that is the key. They are simpy going through to somewhere else. The airlines make their revenue by building a critical mass of people going to Topeka until it actually justifies buying a 727 and all that jet fuel.
Personally I think the Hub and Spoke system is the best invention in modern American history, though it can create huge problems, like ORD a couple of weeks ago.
Anyhoo, I think it is a great idea for USAir to establish a hub out there. They need a stronger presence in the west. USAir has really taken off in the last few years. I was afraid of them like everyone else after that Pittsburgh crash, but I flew them a couple times recently and they were superb, really great... so I am rooting for them to kick UAL and AA of their high horses. UAL and AA are so crappy to their customers it is amazing that they have such market dominance.
William From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (16 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2468 times:
Why go through the hassle of building a hub from scratch,buy TWA,look at its stock price,its cheap. Plus there fleet meshes with USairways,with the A318s,so they ordered some B717s,so what. It would give them instant access to the west and as icing they JFK and its gateway.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 12229 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (16 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2468 times:
TWA carries a lot of baggage with it. For one, its in debt, and loads of it. If US Airways were to buy TWA, they'd be buying that debt also. That's why the stock price is so low. They also have to worry about the old Icahn deal that is a constant drain on TWA's finances. They'd be buying that too. The better plan is to wait until TWA goes out of business (could happen) and then build up a hub at STL like it was their own from the beginning.
Oh, and people do fly to Detroit, Atlanta and Pittsburgh believe it or not. Detroit is either the 6th or 7th largest US city if I'm not mistaken, and is quite a business center being the headquarters for three not so tiny auto manufacturers. (Cha-ching!!) Atlanta is "the capital of the south" and is quite a city in itself. Lots of communications business there with Turner. And lets not forget Coke. (Cha-ching!!) Pittsburgh has always been a big industry city. As the steel has left, it has become a computer industry hotbed thanks to the local colleges which produce many fine Electrical Engineers and Computer Scientists. (Double Cha-ching!!) Hub placement relies on lots of high fare paying businessmen to make money. You want to know how many people actually fly to the hub airports? Count the number of baggage claims when you visit. You'll be surprised. (Connecting passengers don't need them!)
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Bush From Canada, joined May 1999, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (16 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2468 times:
Good point, DLX. Airlines like to locate hubs where there's a lot of local traffic. This mid-American airport need not bother installing any baggage carousels. The locals who fly in on their Beech 1900 can pick up there bags on the sidewalk.