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User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1290 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Here's one for our experts on travelling in Europe:

I'll be pottering around Paris and Amsterdam this coming September on my way back to DFW from BLR via FRA on LH.

I intend to use FRA purely as a base for my Amsterdam and Paris jaunts. I return from Amsterdam to Frankfurt on

LH 4679 ex AMS arr FRA @ 05:25 PM (Sep 6 2006)

I want to catch a flight to Paris the same evening. My options are:

LH 4234 dep FRA to CDG @ 08:25 PM (3 hours between flights)

LH 4236 dep FRA to CDG @ 09:35 PM (4 hours between flights)

I'll have one checked bag. I have an Indian passport with a Schengen visa. So given that I have to clear immigration, customs and baggage claim and proceed to another international flight, my first question is

1) which (if any) of the 2 flights to CDG listed above are feasible? Or should I play it safe and catch a flight the next day?

I'll be staying at a hotel in the centre of Paris. My next two questions are:

2) Approximately how long would it take me to arrive at my hotel after landing at CDG? Remember that I have to go through Immig, customs and bag claim.

3) Would I have any issues with a late check-in at the hotel? I may be showing up at the front desk after midnight

This is my first trip to Europe as an adult, so I'd like to do my homework properly. I'd deeply appreciate some quick feedback as I have to proceed somewhat expeditiously with the reservations.

cheers

[Edited 2006-07-31 01:07:51]

[Edited 2006-07-31 01:19:11]

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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3767 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

For all I know, you can walk out of the plane and right into your connection without any barriers at all. All of the destinations you listed are within the EU, so no passport checks there. Are you on two seperate itineraries (need to check-in again at FRA) or are you already checked-in for your connection before even arriving at FRA?

Soren  santahat 



All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Thread starter):
LH 4679 ex AMS arr FRA @ 05:25 PM (Sep 6 2006)

I want to catch a flight to Paris the same evening. My options are:

LH 4234 dep FRA to CDG @ 08:25 PM (3 hours between flights)

Perfect, if not too long, connection. People connect in FRA in 30 min between Schengen flights... Well, I did, many times. Even if you need to collect luggage (which you won't because you fly both itineraries on LH...), it's still a long wait..

Regards,
LO231



Got both LO 788 frames already, next LO E95 and 734 BRU-WAW-BRU
User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

Thanks Soren, for the rapid response.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 1):
For all I know, you can walk out of the plane and right into your connection without any barriers at all. All of the destinations you listed are within the EU, so no passport checks there.

At the risk of asking a possibly stupid question, does this apply even to non-EU citizens and citizens of countries that require a visa to visit EU states?

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 1):
Are you on two seperate itineraries (need to check-in again at FRA) or are you already checked-in for your connection before even arriving at FRA?

They are two separate iteneraries in that they would be booked as separate trips from a web site. I havent booked the FRA-CDG-FRA trip yet, but I wonder if LH would transfer my checked bag at FRA from the AMS to the CDG flight?!


User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 3):
but I wonder if LH would transfer my checked bag at FRA from the AMS to the CDG flight?!

They definitely would.

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Thread starter):
I have an Indian passport with a Schengen visa. So given that I have to clear immigration, customs and baggage claim and proceed to another international flight

You don't on your way back, FRA, AMS and CDG are all Schengen, nop assport control, on your visa you can move freely between the Schengen countries.

Regards,
LO231



Got both LO 788 frames already, next LO E95 and 734 BRU-WAW-BRU
User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

Quoting LO231 (Reply 2):
Even if you need to collect luggage (which you won't because you fly both itineraries on LH...)

This is assuming that LH will accpet my request to transfer my bag to the CDG flight even though I have already booked the FRA-AMS-FRA trip, but have yet to book FRA-CDG-FRA which would make it a separate trip.

LO231, I noticed that you just replied to this, so my apologies, but Its the "separate trips" issue that Soren raised which had me concerned.

[Edited 2006-07-31 01:24:49]

User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3767 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 3):
At the risk of asking a possibly stupid question, does this apply even to non-EU citizens and citizens of countries that require a visa to visit EU states?

There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers.  Smile There will be no difference. It's like walking out of a bus or train. You either proceed to your next flight, or down to the baggage claim and on to the street, with no customs.

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 3):
They are two separate iteneraries in that they would be booked as separate trips from a web site. I havent booked the FRA-CDG-FRA trip yet, but I wonder if LH would transfer my checked bag at FRA from the AMS to the CDG flight?!

In this case, you'll need to collect you bags at FRA, go up one level to check-in for your connection, then go through security and then to your gate (which might as well be the same gate you just came from). There will be an ID check at the security screening, but nor for immigration puirposes, just to make sure you're the ticketed passenger.

To avoid all this, call Lufthansa after you've booked (or even better, before) and ask them to merge your two itineraries into one. Should be no problem, a short 2 minute call after being on hold for 35 minutes with "there's no better way to fly - TO FLY" music playing in the background.
Hope this helps! Any more questions, just ask.

Greetings,
Soren



All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 5):
This is assuming that LH will accpet my request to transfer my bag to the CDG flight even though I have already booked the FRA-AMS-FRA trip, but have yet to book FRA-CDG-FRA which would make it a separate trip.

They will accept it, as all flights are on them. Separate itinerary, same airline, so they can look up the electronic data anyway.

Regards,
LO231



Got both LO 788 frames already, next LO E95 and 734 BRU-WAW-BRU
User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 6):
To avoid all this, call Lufthansa after you've booked (or even better, before) and ask them to merge your two itineraries into one.

Excellnt suggestion. Thanks!

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 6):
Should be no problem, a short 2 minute call after being on hold for 35 minutes with "there's no better way to fly - TO FLY" music playing in the background.

I've had to endure the likes of Yanni and John Tesh before, so I think I should be able to handle LH's jingle  Smile

cheers


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1967 times:

You can call LH, but that'd really be playing things extremely safe: first of all, there is no such thing as "merging itineraries", all they do is put a remark into one booking referencing the other - which isn't necessary because LH stations have access to your bookings one way or the other; BLR will be able to check you in for CDG, CDG will be able to check you in for AMS, just as AMS will be able to check you in for your connection to DFW - even if, for whatever technical reason, one station might not be able to print your boarding card (which is unlikely, but possible), they'll still be able to check your luggage through to your destination.

Might be helpful to keep the eTicket-receipts handy, just in case. (You are travelling on eTickets, aren't you?)

As for the Schengen issue - as LO231 already mentioned, as soon as you've entered the Schengen area, it doesn't matter whether you're an EU citizen or not - there simply are no checks.

The only point when separate itineraries could turn out to be a problem is when one of your flights gets delayed: LH will not be under any obligation to rebook you to a later flight - the only way to avoid that is having the whole trip (or at least connections) on one ticket; no amount of referencing (or "merging") is going to change that.

But, again as LO231 said, since you won't need to get your bags, you should be able to make just about any connection here at FRA - with 3 hours really being in the category of "playing it safe" already.

Regards,
Frank



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

It doesn't matter (except in the case of a missed connection) that you will have two separate tickets. Either way, LH will check your bags all the way through if you ask them to. You can get both your AMS-FRA and FRA-CDG boarding passes at AMS -- and should do so.

When you get to FRA, there will be no immigration or customs checks as long as you stay within the Schengen zone of the airport. You may or may not have to pass through a security check. If so, you'll need to show photo ID.


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

OK, this is A.nutters site, but have you considered taking the train between AMS and PAR? i.e. Fly FRA-AMS, train to PAR, and fly back to FRA? I'm sure that LH would sell you an open-jaw ticket, which wouldn't be more that the FRA-PAR rt you were thinking of buying!

There seems to be a number of trains between 4 and 5 hours duration, some with, some without changes. You can leave from AMS central station or Schiphol airport and end up at Paris-Nord, a lot closer to your hotel. Have a look here http://www.ns.nl/pages/index.html (click on English on top line) or here http://www.raileurope.com/us/rail/fa...htm?WT.mc_id=Google_sncf&WT.srch=1 which quotes prices in US dollars (seems to be between $191 and $340 depending on class and booking free).


User currently offline4xRuv From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

Regarding your hotel, whenever I know I'll arrive after 9pm, I usually give a mark of late arrival. It doesn't cost a dime.
Regarding the train, the train leaves app. every 20 minutes and takes 40-60 mins. There are two stations which you should consider in Paris - Gare du nord, or Les halles, which are both in the center of the city but still one might be closer to your hotel. (if you're not on a budget, the Novotel next to the Les Halles station is a great hotel).


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 9):
first of all, there is no such thing as "merging itineraries", all they do is put a remark into one booking referencing the other

Once I book the FRA-CDG leg, I'm going to call LH and at least get the referencing done, so that my bag goes through without me having to lug it all over the terminals  Smile

In fact, I wonder if the LH station at BLR will be able to check my bag to AMS?! I have a 6 hour layover at FRA outbound to AMS.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 9):
Might be helpful to keep the eTicket-receipts handy, just in case. (You are travelling on eTickets, aren't you?)

Yes. eTickets throughout.

Quoting ANother (Reply 11):
OK, this is A.nutters site, but have you considered taking the train between AMS and PAR? i.e. Fly FRA-AMS, train to PAR, and fly back to FRA? I'm sure that LH would sell you an open-jaw ticket, which wouldn't be more that the FRA-PAR rt you were thinking of buying!

I briefly looked at trains, but found that round-trip tickets were actually more expensive than the discounted airfares that I found online. The Rail Pass appeared to be worth it only if one spends 2 weeks or more, a luxury I unfortunately dont have on this trip, but you've certainly given me food for thought as far as future trips.

Quoting 4xRuv (Reply 12):
Regarding your hotel, whenever I know I'll arrive after 9pm, I usually give a mark of late arrival.

Do you notify the hotel by email or call them?

Quoting 4xRuv (Reply 12):
(if you're not on a budget, the Novotel next to the Les Halles station is a great hotel).

How is it in terms of location? - I'd like to be close to the nightlife as well as the tourist attractions.

Thank you all, for your responses! I deeply appreciate the help and as a treat to my fellow A.nutters, I'll try and take some good pictures of the ramp at BLR (my flights are past midnight, so it'll be dodgy at best) and post them here when I return!


User currently offline4xRuv From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 13):
Once I book the FRA-CDG leg, I'm going to call LH and at least get the referencing done, so that my bag goes through without me having to lug it all over the terminals

It doesn't really matter. I had a lot of cross carriers connections with no problem. Just show the agent that you have an on going flight. Especially if it's an LH flight.
However, before you book the CDG leg, try to book it on your ams reservation with the Lufthansa reservation center, (unless your ticket is already issued).

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 13):
I wonder if the LH station at BLR will be able to check my bag to AMS?! I have a 6 hour layover at FRA outbound to AMS

As long as it's less than 24 hours, don't worry. If you want, an hour after you land in fra you can check a Lufthansa desk that your luggage is located to your flight.

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 13):
Do you notify the hotel by email or call them?

When I make the order, depends on how I do that. If you book online, you usually get a remark field. If you do it on the phone make sure you tell the agent.
Well Paris is big, there are many places where you can go out. Maybe one of the Parisian would be able to help you, but for your question it is situated in the center and just behind a very close train/metro station. However, it's not very cheap.


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