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Continental Airlines New Service: EWR-BON-Netherlands Antilles  
User currently offlineILUVAA From United States of America, joined May 2005, 17 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8429 times:

Starting in December of this year COA will offer weekly service from Newark-Liberty USA (EWR-KEWR) to Bonaire's Flamingo Int. Airport, Netherlands Antilles (BON/TNCB).

So far no aircraft type or flight schedule has been published for this route by COA.

Below is a link to Bonaire's website with the COA article.

http://www.infobonaire.com/breaking_news/2006_July_19.html

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8405 times:

Doesn't CO already fly to BON from IAH? This would mean they're increasing service there.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8397 times:

It will be a 737-700.

CO 1553 will depart Newark Saturdays at 11.55PM, arriving in Bonaire Sunday morning at 5.40AM.

CO 1556 will depart Bonaire Sundays at 7AM, arriving in Newark at 10.45AM.



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User currently offlineIAHcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3425 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8397 times:
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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Doesn't CO already fly to BON from IAH?

 yes 



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User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3448 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8359 times:

That's like a B6 schedule!! haha

But it is good timing. Vacationers arrive with the whole day in front of them and get back to NY after partying all nite!

PJ


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8348 times:

Quoting ILUVAA (Thread starter):
Starting in December of this year COA will offer weekly service from Newark-Liberty USA (EWR-KEWR) to Bonaire's Flamingo Int. Airport, Netherlands Antilles (BON/TNCB).

So far no aircraft type or flight schedule has been published for this route by COA.

Below is a link to Bonaire's website with the COA article.

http://www.infobonaire.com/breaking_....html

Please use the IATA two-letter airline and airport codes, please. The ICAO codes can't be translated instantly here, while there is a roll-over for the codes here. Most of us use those codes when we talk about specific airlines. Thanks for the info, though.



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User currently offlineTheLUREnyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8267 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 4):
But it is good timing. Vacationers arrive with the whole day in front of them and get back to NY after partying all nite!

Good schedule !!?? You kiddn!

Arrive in Bonaire at 540am, to reach your hotel and be told that you can't check in until 3pm! And on the way back, you have to get up in the middle of the night to get to the airport b4 6am ... losing a whole day you've paid for at your hotel?

Crap schedule! Sounds like this was an afterthought of a route - - one designed to keep a plane from sitting in EWR overnight.

Tony


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16861 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8267 times:

CO now has the only nonstops from NY to all three of the ABC Islands:

Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineTheLUREnyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8239 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
CO now has the only nonstops from NY to all three of the ABC Islands:

You mean NJ.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8226 times:

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 6):
Arrive in Bonaire at 540am, to reach your hotel and be told that you can't check in until 3pm! And on the way back, you have to get up in the middle of the night to get to the airport b4 6a

Where I stay at Bonaire the arrival time will not be a problem, heck you sould be scuba diving within a couple of hours anyways; used the IAH service and it worked fine, and getting through the airport should be a breeze since the early morning KLM will be history.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8217 times:

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 6):
Crap schedule! Sounds like this was an afterthought of a route - - one designed to keep a plane from sitting in EWR overnight.

Thats exactly right....

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Doesn't CO already fly to BON from IAH? This would mean they're increasing service there

They did last winter....with the same type of schedule.


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I think that the IAH flights were sold/marketed in connection with tour packages specializing in diving, for which Bonaire is popular (there is nothing else to do there)....

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 6):
Good schedule !!?? You kiddn!

It actually is if you are into diving (I am not).....there is a period of time that you cannot dive before and after flying......the early morning arrival/departure is prefered in the diving world from what I understand.

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 6):
Arrive in Bonaire at 540am, to reach your hotel and be told that you can't check in until 3pm

Oh, dont be so fussy......take off your clothes and hit the beach.  Smile


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8195 times:

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 6):
Crap schedule! Sounds like this was an afterthought of a route - - one designed to keep a plane from sitting in EWR overnight.

Instead of just basing it on the fact that it doesn't look friendly, why don't you take market demographics and considerations into account?

Bonaire is a niche market in the Caribbean that is popular with divers. This schedule is perfect for divers. The schedule isn't just for the hell of it.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16861 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8138 times:

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 8):
You mean NJ.

From any airport controlled by the Port Authority of NY& NJ, NY does not control JFK and LGA the Port Authority which is a bi-State Agency created by an Act of Congress in the 1920s controls the 4 NYC airports (EWR, JFK, LGA, TEB).

Newark is NYC's First Airport, it's also closer to the Region's Core (Manhattan) than JFK. To say EWR is not a NY airport is to be ignorant of the relationship of the Metropolitan Area has within the Five Boroughs of NYC and the Five New Jersey Counties which border Manhattan, Staten Island and the Bronx.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineTheLUREnyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8085 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
From any airport controlled by the Port Authority of NY& NJ, NY does not control JFK and LGA the Port Authority which is a bi-State Agency created by an Act of Congress in the 1920s controls the 4 NYC airports (EWR, JFK, LGA, TEB).

Newark is NYC's First Airport, it's also closer to the Region's Core (Manhattan) than JFK. To say EWR is not a NY airport is to be ignorant of the relationship of the Metropolitan Area has within the Five Boroughs of NYC and the Five New Jersey Counties which border Manhattan, Staten Island and the Bronx.

NEWARK IS IN NEW JERSEY.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8075 times:

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 6):
Crap schedule! Sounds like this was an afterthought of a route - - one designed to keep a plane from sitting in EWR overnight.

Actually I do agree with the others on this. It's the perfect schedule to arrive and already get started with the vacations..

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 3):
 yes 



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
They did last winter....with the same type of schedule.

Thanks for the info to both.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16861 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8065 times:

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 13):

NEWARK IS IN NEW JERSEY.

So are the NY Football Giants and the NY Jets, what's the point?..

EWR is a NYC airport, every major Carrier, the Port Authority of NY and NJ and the FAA recognize this.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineTheLUREnyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8057 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
Bonaire is a niche market in the Caribbean that is popular with divers. This schedule is perfect for divers. The schedule isn't just for the hell of it.

OK - thanks for clarifying that. I didnt realize that type of schedule works so well for the diver crowd. I was just basing it on the fact that most vacation/resort type places, it's: leave home in the AM, arrive there early in the day, then have to check out of your hotel on your last day at noon, so take an afternoon/eve flight home.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8671 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8057 times:

Just perfect for scuba divers as others have said, but many hotels down there let you check in your bags early. So, the schedule isnt a problem. Its your body adjusting to it.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineTheLUREnyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8033 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 17):
So, the schedule isnt a problem. Its your body adjusting to it.

Man I know what you mean there. Its like taking an overnight flight to Europe. Cant remember how many times after arriving at 5 or 6am following a trans-atlantic flight I've either sat in a lobby bleary eyed or stumbled around London or Amsterdam or even just taken a city tour (sound asleep!) while waiting for my room to be ready! In the past, I've even booked the night before, just to ensure I didn't have to wait all day .. but that can be expensive!

Hope this new service works for CO. Bonaire is a cool place - though my time there weas brief - it was just on a cruise ship stop.


User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7914 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
Newark is NYC's First Airport, it's also closer to the Region's Core (Manhattan) than JFK

EWR is closer to downtown New York, but from midtown it is not, about equidistant with JFK holding a slight advantage from the east side.



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User currently offlineFrequentflykid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7894 times:

Just an opinioin here, but I think that from midtown (Penn Station say) EWR is easier to get to than JFK and even LGA. Just an opinion.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16861 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7878 times:

Quoting Csavel (Reply 19):
EWR is closer to downtown New York, but from midtown it is not, about equidistant with JFK holding a slight advantage from the east side.

If you have Google Earth use the measurement tool to measure the distances in miles from any point in Manhattan to EWR vs JFK, East Side, West Side, Up-town, Downtown EWR is closer than JFK.

Road mileage is different, but on a straight line distance EWR is closer.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7853 times:

Whats the problem? CO is surely going to market this as a NY flight cause it is an airport that serves the NY area. So yes CO serves the ABC islands from NY, get over it.


There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7853 times:

Diving after a flight are you mad?? Any good diver would know that can lead to death!!!

Cheers


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16861 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7836 times:

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 23):
Diving after a flight are you mad?? Any good diver would know that can lead to death!!!


What about US Navy SEALs? I've seen demonstrations and read accounts of them parachuting out of the back of a C-130 into the Ocean and then diving to a location or a target.

Do they stay below a certain altitude during flight, or do they do something or breathe something that protects them from the effects?



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
25 Dutchjet : Thats why the early morning arrival works......divers usually wait 24 hours, thus they can dive beginning with the second full day of their holiday,
26 CALMSP : service will start on the 16th going southbound, and 17th going northbound. as for the diving.....as long as the nitrogen is removed from your body yo
27 Amazonphil : Umm...think about this for second. He means, in the NYC area. He probably knows Newark IS in New Jersey.
28 Amazonphil : I think it is the other way around...flying after diving that is the dangerous choice. I'm only a "skin diver" though so I can't say for sure.
29 ScottB : WRONG. It's actually flying after diving that is the problem; the current recommendations are to wait 12 hours after a single dive or 24 hours after
30 Dutchjet : Thanks for the lesson......I learned something and got it backward above. In consideration of this new (correct) info, CO's flight times to Bonaire a
31 ScottB : If you're willing to push things a bit, you can dive Saturday morning. There's nothing especially magic about the "24 hour" time period since desorpt
32 STT757 : It never was seasonal, it's year round nonstop on Sundays.
33 TheLUREnyc : No, they serve it from NEW JERSEY. OK, I've thought about it. . . . NEWARK IS IN NEW JERSEY.
34 STT757 : Newark Airport is a NYC Airport, get over it.
35 Rampart : Don't worry, TheLUREnyc is actually from Connecticut (a state without a real airport)... so shouldn't his name be TheLureCT?... anyhow, his loss if h
36 TheLUREnyc : Bradley International Airport (Hartford) is not a real airport? WOW was that a stupid statement you just made! In fact, we have many. Any field where
37 AussieItaliano : Everyone knows that EWR is located in NJ, so there's no reason to have to post it over and over again. If you can show me that many of the pax who wil
38 STT757 : Started by someone from Connecticut no less.
39 TheLUREnyc : Show you what? Many of the people who fly from EWR also live in PA, NJ and even CT. But the fact remains that NEWARK IS IN NEW JERSEY.. And thats all
40 Letsgetwet : Most of the Bonaire resorts will hold your luggage on arrival and give you a Brunch while you waiting for your room. (small fee) They will also provid
41 ScottB : For some reason I recall seeing it marked as being seasonal on the route map this past spring. Curacao has great diving, too; I'm surprised more folk
42 ACAfan : WTF? By your logic, CVG is not a Cincinnati airport and completely worthless since it is in Kentucky.
43 Post contains images CALMSP : excellent point ACAfan...........TheLUREnyc apparently doenst have the mindset that the New York metropolitan area includes Newark.
44 STT757 : Also using that logic New Jersey has two NFL Franchises (Giants NFC, Jets AFC) and NY has one (Buffalo Bills AFC).
45 PlanesNTrains : I don't think it was a raw nerve. I think it was a pointless, well, point. Exactly what I was thinking. I guess we need to stop talking about Delta's
46 Rampart : Lure"CT", My only concern is whether the border guards confiscated your sense of humor when you were forced out of NYC. Say "hi" to all the cute litt
47 A388 : The CUR flight operates on Saturdays, not Sundays. Does anyone know how CO is doing on the CUR flights? How are the loads? I heard a rumor that we (C
48 TheLUREnyc : Size queen. NEWARK IS STILL IN NEW JERSEY.
49 SHUPirate1 : Does it need to be mentioned that there isn't a single square inch of land in the entire state of Connecticut that is part of the New York City Metro
50 TheLUREnyc : At what point did I say there was?
51 Tommy767 : Who Cares!??! All three NYC airports are equal in the fact that they have some of the worst delays in the US! People have to stop treating EWR like i
52 Post contains images Rampart : LOL! Literalist! -Rampart
53 Commavia : Looks to me like its time for AA to start a SaSu 738 MIA-BON, much like how it has been time (for months) for AA to start a Sa 738 MIA-ROB, and how it
54 Post contains images TheLUREnyc : OK. OK.. truce. NEWARK AIRPORT serves the NEW YORK CITY area.
55 ScottB : You mean RTB...and you'd have to pay me to fly AA via MIA, though at least they're not flying those dreadful A300's between MIA and BOS anymore.
56 Post contains images Rampart : Yup. Serves Newark, too! -Rampart
57 Post contains images TheLUREnyc : Glad to have all this behind us. Now lets all be friends!
58 MAH4546 : Agreed. AA is very slow with this stuff. Though, AA launched MIA-LIR two years ago, which was about two years later than they should have. At least t
59 Commavia : Indeed I did, my mistake. Yep, I agree. I think that in addition to BON and RTB, AA also needs to restart 738 flights -- perhaps not on a daily basis
60 Post contains links and images A388 : It's time for AA to start using the 752 to CUR too as they are doing very well on the twice daily CUR-MIA route. I think AA will do even better if the
61 Post contains images JerseyGuy : No it does not, Newark LIBERTY International Airport does PS The Statue of Liberty should belong to New Jersey
62 Post contains images Amazonphil : Ahhhh, he finally got the point..
63 Post contains images Jm017 : That's just the way it goes. As soon as i saw the title of the thread, I knew where this was going to go. Fairfield County is considered part of the
64 MAH4546 : 738s are what AA uses on their better performing short-haul interanational routes. Less seats, but a better premium product and a more comfortable co
65 A388 : I see your point, I just think AA can get more out of the MIA-CUR market as the demand is there. They can give it a try for a trial period and see ho
66 Commavia : AA is not going to increase capacity on the route one bit if they think that it will dilute yields, leading to a less attractive outcome than the sta
67 Glareskin : EWR = New Jersey New Jersey is part of the greater New York thus = New York So New York has 3 main airports. Now as a traveller I know from experience
68 MAH4546 : AA has no desire to dilute yield on a strong performing route by adding capacity. Would the flights fill? Yeah, probably. However, would the extra se
69 Airzim : Actually they have 4. Westchester Airport. And it has a train connection to Metro North at Grand Central. Just thought I'd add that in for good measu
70 Post contains links SHUPirate1 : Fairfield County is part of the (in fact, entirety of the) Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk MSA, and not part of the New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Isl
71 A388 : Hey MAH4546, thank you for the explanation. Is CUR one of the top 3 destinations in the Caribbean for AA? I didn't know that but it certainly is nice
72 Post contains images AussieItaliano : If you add ISP, then there are 5!
73 Letsgetwet : I believe Teterboro is also controlled by the NY/NJ Port Authority. So you can add that to the list of NY airports.
74 Post contains links Rampart : Actually, all of western Connecticut is within the New York-Newark-Bridgeport Consolidated Statistical Area, and this most accurately reflects what w
75 2travel2know : Goodnews for BON. EWR Departure and Arrival time timmed with the European flights wouldn't have made any sense?
76 MEA-707 : Why would anyone fly EWR-BON-AMS or v/v while a direct flight is twice as short and cheap. It is rather a good idea they avoid the hustle and bustle
77 NYCFlyer : Despite what the diving crowd says - those flight times are still awful. First, not EVERYONE flying to BON is a diver. Second, not every diver is so
78 Dutchjet : Bonaire is a niche destination.........and available nonstop from AMS. I dont think that attracting pax travelling between Europe and Bonaire was a c
79 NYCFlyer : Dutchjet - thanks for your reasoned reply. Which B6 routes are you talking about? I am no authority on the B6 schedule, but the only Caribbean route
80 ScottB : No, not everyone flying to BON is a diver, but the vast majority are. While BON is a pleasant enough place with nice people (aside from their petty t
81 Post contains links and images A388 : I agree, that's why CO has an early afternoon arrival at CUR because the people travelling this route are not all divers. Same goes for AUA/SXM, it's
82 Letsgetwet : I would be willing to bet that at least 90% of them are . The other 10% are non-diving spouses of divers.
83 Glareskin : I'm aware of that. I'm afraid you all forget to read the word main.
84 AUA747 : its going to be a 737-700. The reason CO has that redeye flight is because of availabiltiy of aircraft for that route. Instead of having an aircraft
85 NateDAL : Those are very good. I hope that CO will find an aircraft to do IAH-CUR...
86 Post contains images A388 : Those are very good loads, even though it's only representing one month of the year but I've heard CO is satisfied with the CUR loads so far so hopef
87 Post contains links Jm017 : Not so much.... I got this from Wikipadia: The 30-county metropolitan area includes the seven counties that constitute New York City and Long Island,
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