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Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007  
User currently offlineBkkair From Thailand, joined Aug 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6952 times:

As reported in the The Bangkok Post, 31 July, Geert Boven, the carrier's acting chief executive reports that during 2007, Etihad plans to add 10 new destinations. Mentioned in the article are Hong Kong, Los Angeles, Singapore and Sydney.

The other 6 planned destinations are not mentioned in this article.

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User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6943 times:

Any chance of AKL? Hope so!

User currently offlineTropicalsq744 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6924 times:

Don't they already fly to SIN?


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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6914 times:

I would bet they are going to try and hit up the locations where EK has been going. EK stated that they wanted to be first to many locations before their competition. That is why they increased KIX and added NGO. It puts them in a strategic position for Japan access. NGO and KIX are out there trying to entice airlines to come in while NRT is restricted. Helps make a name for themselves in Japan till 2008/9 when NRT will have some new slots open.

My bet on the 10: HKG, LAX, SIN, SYD, MEL, PEK, AKL, ORD, GRU and NGO (I have to...its mine).

EDIT: Their website says that KIX and PVG are two future routes. What is the word on these?

[Edited 2006-07-31 06:25:02]


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User currently offlineCHANGYOU From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6850 times:
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EY doesn't fly to SIN. Only fly to BKK and JKT in the SEA region. But with SQ already flying AUH-JED probably that prompt them to start AUH-SIN.

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6837 times:

Any one have any thoughts on what aircraft will be on these routes?

As of 2007, their long haul fleet will be pretty small actually.

5 777-300ERs, 4 A340-500s, and 4 A340-600s. (with the 4 A380s coming at the end of 2007???). They will also be taking 7 more A330-200s from Airbus. These will likely replace the short haul routes the 777-300ERs fly, enabling them to go full long haul.

So, my 2 cents (according to the following):

Quoting Centrair (Reply 3):
My bet on the 10: HKG, LAX, SIN, SYD, MEL, PEK, AKL, ORD, GRU and NGO (I have to...its mine).

EDIT: Their website says that KIX and PVG are two future routes. What is the word on these?

LAX, ORD A340-500.
MEL, AKL A340-600.
HKG, SYD, BKK, JFK 777-300ER. (JFK was rumored a while ago).
PEK, KIX, PVG A330-200
As you can see, this clearly is not enough aircraft for all that.

An order is coming?

EDIT: I just realised the 777-300ERs are already being used on Toronto and Johannesburg routes. This makes the fleet situation even worse. They have got to order more aircraft.

[Edited 2006-07-31 07:01:19]

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6809 times:

Will SYD and potentially MEL be on a non-stop basis from AUH, or via an Asian intermediate point.

SIN-SYD is pretty saturated, as is BKK-SYD.

with the OS suspension of services AUH-KUL-SYD makes more sense.

For MEL, KUL also makes an interesting intermediate point, although SIN and BKK could take a little more capacity...


User currently onlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6756 times:

They've also stated that they'd like to grow further in India.

From: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1827039.cms

Quote:
"Etihad plans to have seven flights daily from Delhi and 14 between Mumbai and UAE. We also intend to have regular daily flights from Kochi and Thiruvananthapuram," he said.

While special holiday packages called "Etihad Holidays" are already on offer, the airline, with a lavish business-cum-first class comfort, will launch its internet booking from August along with a frequent flier programme.

"Our frequent flier programme would be unique as the passengers would not lose any air-miles. They would be able to buy something with miles earned," he said.



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User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6751 times:

oooh.... I'll be waiting for them in Hong Kong!

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6699 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 5):
JFK 777-300ER. (JFK was rumored a while ago).

Starting October 26th, A340-500.



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5334 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

While it would be great to see EY in AKL would they really fly here just because EK do? It would be an extension of an Aussie flight I guess.

GF said that they wouldn't consider AKL, though that was a while ago and doesn't mean anything now.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6641 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 5):
LAX, ORD A340-500.
MEL, AKL A340-600.
HKG, SYD, BKK, JFK 777-300ER. (JFK was rumored a while ago).
PEK, KIX, PVG A330-200
As you can see, this clearly is not enough aircraft for all that.

An order is coming?

EDIT: I just realised the 777-300ERs are already being used on Toronto and Johannesburg routes. This makes the fleet situation even worse. They have got to order more aircraft.

That certainly creates a problem.

When EK started KIX they did 5x week and then when they go the AC increased to daily. NGO is 5x week with a 772 and is going to an A345 in September. (First of that type at NGO) Maybe Etihad has to do the same type of thing. Limited frequency to secure slots and then when new aircraft come online they increase.

But these are routes for 2007. The A380s start coming then. They could have two take over LHR and Mumbai or JFK, allowing for the planes on those routes to be moved to new routes. But it does sound like Etihad needs a few more 773/A345 sized or smalller planes.



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User currently offlineFlyingKangaroo From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6541 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 7):
hey've also stated that they'd like to grow further in India.

From: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1827039.cms

Quote:
"Etihad plans to have seven flights daily from Delhi and 14 between Mumbai and UAE. We also intend to have regular daily flights from Kochi and Thiruvananthapuram," he said.

Seven daily flights? Woah, look out EK!

flyingKangaroo



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6515 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 6):
with the OS suspension of services AUH-KUL-SYD makes more sense.

   only one airline will serve this route once OS is gone. Is there a possibility of them flying via Jarkata??

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 10):
While it would be great to see EY in AKL would they really fly here just because EK do? It would be an extension of an Aussie flight I guess.

Same here. There B773ER economy product looks just as good as EK if not better. AUH-MEL-AKL sound better than AUH-SYD-AKL if they do plan to fly to AKL from Australia

[Edited 2006-07-31 09:43:51]

[Edited 2006-07-31 09:44:23]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6497 times:

Quoting FlyingKangaroo (Reply 12):

Seven daily flights? Woah, look out EK!

Most likely a typo. Should say weekly.



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User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6417 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 5):
EDIT: I just realised the 777-300ERs are already being used on Toronto and Johannesburg routes

You are correct on the JNB route as 77W equipment, but the YYZ is still an A332, with the intermediate stop throu BRU...

Cheers!!!



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User currently onlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
Most likely a typo. Should say weekly.

Absolutely. 7 dailies would not make sense from DEL. Just goes to show the accuracy of India's mainline media reporting!



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User currently offlineGneissGuy From Singapore, joined Jul 2006, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6380 times:

Quoting Bkkair (Thread starter):
As reported in the The Bangkok Post, 31 July, Geert Boven, the carrier's acting chief executive reports that during 2007, Etihad plans to add 10 new destinations. Mentioned in the article are Hong Kong, Los Angeles, Singapore and Sydney.

The other 6 planned destinations are not mentioned in this article.

That's great news and a potential challenger to SQ on the SIN - Abu Dhabi route.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6240 times:

Besides the A380s do they still have aircraft to be delivered?


Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6169 times:

if there were to come down here to AKL, won't be long for Qatar then to arrive on the set, its the new middle east -not middle earth hehehe


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17511 posts, RR: 45
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5936 times:

Anyone know if Etihad is actually making any money?


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5927 times:

Will be flying with them in November and February routing LHR-AUH-BKK-AUH-LGW - and will get 1x 345 and 3x 773. Can't wait.


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5888 times:

They should convert some A330 orders to the -300. Why havent they (and EK) ordered it ? It covers all of Europe, Africa and big parts of Asia with full payload !


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User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5751 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 18):
Besides the A380s do they still have aircraft to be delivered?

Yes. They are still to receive 2 more A340-500's this year (A6-EHC/D). Also, 7 more A330-200 by the end of next year, and 4 A340-600HGW next year.

No supplemental orders have been placed, despite the strong rumours of a FI2006 announcement which never happened...

As the new EY spec A332's are being delivered, there are the 3 leased TAM A332's, and the 2 leased ex-Volare A332's which need to hit the highway out of here... The TAM ones will be gone within the next few days/weeks.

Cheers!!!



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User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2595 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5740 times:

Quoting CHANGYOU (Reply 4):
EY doesn't fly to SIN. Only fly to BKK and JKT in the SEA region

Don't forget EY have been serving MNL since Februaury....

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 5):
HKG, SYD, BKK, JFK 777-300ER. (JFK was rumored a while ago).

I think it is more likely that the A340-600 would be used to JFK if the A340-500s are deployed on longer routes....

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 5):
EDIT: I just realised the 777-300ERs are already being used on Toronto and Johannesburg routes.

They have never been deployed to YYZ. It has always been the A332 via BRU...


25 Behramjee : to YYZ they arent but they are in LHE, BOM, DAC, CMB, MNL and BKK. Even in peak season most of their LGW/LHR-AUH flights had plenty of seats avbl.
26 AlitaliaMD11 : JFK is already scheduled for A340-500 service starting on October 26th.
27 Carfield : WEll I can't wait to see EY in HK soon. Now I wonder if EY will follow QR's move to do a nonstop HKG to Abu Dhabi, or a more conservative approach lik
28 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Conservative approach in Middle East airline development? I think that's an oxymoron . But the airline as a whole? I get the impression that it is on
29 Rdwootty : So far as aAustralia is concerned then the more connection the better. i am always struggling to get good fares for my customers....BA/QF now mean cha
30 Behramjee : EY will definitely fly NONSTOP to HKG from AUH...highly unlikely that the flight will continue on to ICN or Japan etc.
31 MAS777 : I seem to remember Etihad had already expressed plans to serve Kuala Lumpur once they had enough aircraft to support the route so I guess KUL is likel
32 N503JB : Good question, exsiting Gulf operating daily AUH-BKK-HKG-BKK-AUH by A340-300. I believe B777 will be operating non-stop service to HKG. AnyWay "Welco
33 SriLankan : EY are only left with only four (4) frequencies in total to serve Australia. Under the existing UAE-Australia Bi'lateral, EK are already utilising 49
34 6thfreedom : Australia - UAE talks are sceduled for the last quarter of 2006. as for the rights, Dubai actually has a seperate MoU for their services to Australia
35 Behramjee : wrong...GF flies daily BAH-BKK-HKG with an A 343...they stopped flying this route from AUH many months ago. yes on the whole, the airline makes a hug
36 Flying Belgian : Hi !! Here in BRU it is widely rumoured that EY would drop AUH-BRU-YYZ service in order to fly the 77W on a direct AUH-YYZ. EY would still serve BRU
37 UK_Dispatcher : Yes - I realise this, but Kaitak744 was talking about if the A345 was to eventually be deployed on other, longer routes.
38 6thfreedom : perhaps SYD will be non-stop... with EY focusiing on europe and middle east traffic to australia only, without having to bother with an intermediate
39 VHVXB : Yeah i agree. BKK-MEL is another possibility
40 MaverickM11 : That's what I kinda figured....I assume QR is the same more or less and GF is probably the only airline in the region with its head squarely on its s
41 Speedbird128 : They (thankfully) stopped flying all routes apart from Muscat and Bahrain a couple months ago. I was just wondering if it's not disclosed, then how d
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