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Varig - Flying Or Not?  
User currently offlineHangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5538 times:

I have tickets to travel to Brazil for a friend's wedding from JFK on Aug. 19 and to return on Aug. 25. I purchased them through Orbitz.com back in March before we started hearing anything about the airline's problems. The bride (who is Brazillian) and groom also planned to fly Varig.

Despite news of plans to resume international flights following the sale of Varig to VarigLog a few weeks ago, the company's Web site says it has suspended all operations until further notice. The 800 number on the site gives a busy signal. I can't seem to find any news more recent than July 28 on the Web.

Is there any chance at this point Varig will be operating a JFK-GRU flight with a connection to Belo Horizonte by the time I need to travel?

What are my chances AA, UA or someone else will honor the tickets?

Does anyone have any suggestions? I laid out close to $1,400 to travel to my friend's wedding and I'm in no position to make a similar expenditure with another carrier.

(Please spare me the business, grief and the guff about how I should have used a travel agent. Perhaps the folks who want to talk about that can start a seperate thread on how Orbitz doesn't feel the same ethical responsibility as a human travel agent to warn its customers that a carrier is in financial trouble. Caveat emptor is fine, but the buyer needs a fighting chance.)

Thanks.


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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7694 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

Did you use a Credit Card?.

User currently offlineWazobia From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

I am just as frustrated as you. I did use a travel agent no good it did me. Flying mid Aug. out of Mia. I did get thru to Varig today. Basically they don't have any information past Aug. 1st. They will fly tomorrow out of MIA and the pax scheduled to fly today they put on standby with AA and Tam. The guy I was talking to at Varig said that they can only do this the day of the flight and the other airlines were very tired of Varigs passengers.

Good luck to ya!


User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 1):
Did you use a Credit Card?.

Amen to that! If you used a CC you should be fine, but I think you are SOL on the tickets and need to go shopping again.



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User currently offlineHangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5442 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 1):
Did you use a Credit Card?

To tell the truth, my girlfriend made the actual purchase. I'm not sure whether she used a credit or debit card. Is there a practical difference?

The bill acceptor on my laptop is broken, so I had to use plastic.  Wink

[Edited 2006-07-31 23:01:34]


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User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5432 times:

Quoting Wazobia (Reply 2):
and the other airlines were very tired of Varigs passengers.

This arises a couple of questions:

Primo: are JJ and GOL paid for the RG passengers they take on domestic routes? I.e. does RG have to pay for the thousands of tickets they issue? Or are they obliged by Brazilian law to take these passengers, even if the tickets issued by RG are not paid?

Secundo: are StarAlliance partners LH and UA paid for the RG passengers they take? What fare do they charge RG; full-flexible ones? Discounted ones?

Tertio: which other airline is still accepting RG tickets?

[Edited 2006-07-31 23:20:05]

User currently offlineWazobia From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5397 times:

Even if the other airlines are happy to take Varig pax they ...day of travel their flights will be full or close to full. Especailly with this Varig mess they are getting a lot more pax directly . That being said there isn't room on the plane for Varigs pax which leave most of us out in the cold.

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5321 times:

For the time being, TAM is not accepting RG tickets anymore from NYC, MIA and CDG. Varig owes TAM 1.5 million in tickets that are yet to be paid.

Good luck!



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User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5274 times:

Quoting Wazobia (Reply 6):
1.5 million

Reais or US dollar?


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5261 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 8):
Quoting Wazobia (Reply 6):
1.5 million

Reais or US dollar?

USD



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5196 times:

Quoting HangarRat (Thread starter):
What are my chances AA, UA or someone else will honor the tickets?

AA cancelled their interline agreements with RG a few weeks ago. Zero chance AA will help you out.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5115 times:
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Quoting HangarRat (Thread starter):

Sorry to inform you but try to get one of the RG flights from JFK (every two days), the only one airline that is accepting RG tickets is JJ (but a very few number of seats per flight as demand keeps strong)

Better to ask for a reimbursement and try to book on another airline.

The worst news is they just drop Belo Horizonte as a destination and there are no short term plans for its return. You will also depend on a G3 or JJ flight GRU-CNF (and the number of flights is limited) or CGH-CNF.

I have a friend on Varig in the US, i will check if they can do something for you.

Felipe



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5078 times:

I had dinner with a close friend of mine from LH and he said LH sent a msg to all its offices stating also that they do not operate on code-share with RG anymore. Nor on intl. flights, nor on domestic flights.

There are rumors that RG may be taken out of Star Alliance as they don't want and need a so weak partner in Latin America. This is a possibility of an open door for the invitation to a new carrier.


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 12):
There are rumors that RG may be taken out of Star Alliance as they don't want and need a so weak partner in Latin America. This is a possibility of an open door for the invitation to a new carrier.

May I suggest AVIANCA?



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User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5033 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 12):
I had dinner with a close friend of mine from LH and he said LH sent a msg to all its offices stating also that they do not operate on code-share with RG anymore. Nor on intl. flights, nor on domestic flights.

There are rumors that RG may be taken out of Star Alliance as they don't want and need a so weak partner in Latin America. This is a possibility of an open door for the invitation to a new carrier.

So after touting all the benefits of being in Star, when you really need help (as RG pax do now), the rest of the alliance abandons it and feels no obligation to carry RG pax. Some alliance that turned out to be.


User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

The AA flights to Brazil have been going out totally packed.

Many have oversales who are being paid $800.00 vouchers for the bump.

I spoke with top manager of JJ last week and he said he is getting calls from old friends and people he never heard of looking for the favor of seats to Brazil.

The ops manager at JJ called us at AA MIA today to see if we had any seats to give him for oversales so I assume they are just as packed.

Hopefully you paid with a credit card and can get your money back.

At this point your best bet would be to buy a new ticket with another airline if you can find a seat. I do not think you will have much luck using your RG tickets on another airline if they don't operate their flight.

Maybe maybe maybe JJ will take you. But you would be VERY lucky.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineMattnrsa From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5005 times:

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 14):
So after touting all the benefits of being in Star, when you really need help (as RG pax do now), the rest of the alliance abandons it and feels no obligation to carry RG pax. Some alliance that turned out to be.

The alliance would still carry RG pax, just like any airline would. I don't know about any rumors of ending the alliance, but they might not want to send their pax or sell tickets on an airline that might liquidate any day. AC/US/UA did not have any problems with Star when they were in BK, but RG is way beyond BK.


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4965 times:

Quoting Mattnrsa (Reply 16):
The alliance would still carry RG pax, just like any airline would. I don't know about any rumors of ending the alliance, but they might not want to send their pax or sell tickets on an airline that might liquidate any day. AC/US/UA did not have any problems with Star when they were in BK, but RG is way beyond BK.

I don't see UA upping capacity on US-Brazil routes. Is LH taking pax that are suppsoed to have flown RG but now can't?


User currently offlineMattnrsa From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 17):
I don't see UA upping capacity on US-Brazil routes. Is LH taking pax that are suppsoed to have flown RG but now can't?

Airlines, whether Star or not, will add capacity when they can. I don't know about plans for each Star airline, but I would imagine most planes are spoken for in the busy summer season. Adding a flight now would mean cancelling one somewhere else, most likely Europe where the flights are full too. UA has announced an extra flt to Brazil starting later this year when they are able to add it.


User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

Quoting Bongo (Reply 13):
May I suggest AVIANCA?

May I suggest TAM??  Big grin



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User currently offlineHangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

Quoting HangarRat (Thread starter):
The bride (who is Brazillian) and groom also planned to fly Varig.

I just found out from the groom that he was able to switch his tickets to UA after much ballyhooing.

Quote:
If you call United and they tell you they're not
honoring Varig tickets, persist and explain that
"L." and I just switched everything over. You'll
find our itinerary below.

(name changed to protect the frustrated)

He gave us his itinerary and confirmation code. However, we still have the problem of RG not flying to Belo Horizonte. Not being fluent in Portugese, trying to price out a ticket on TAM or GOL has been frustrating. I may visit a travel agency tomorrow to see whether I can afford it.

 whiteflag   whiteflag   whiteflag   whiteflag 



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User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4807 times:

Quoting HangarRat (Reply 20):
Not being fluent in Portugese, trying to price out a ticket on TAM or GOL has been frustrating.
Both www.tam.com.br and www.voegol.com have booking engines in English...
Beware however: GOL flights can only be bought with AMEX credit cards!

To give you an impression:
GRU - CNF on JJ (TAM) out 21 AUG in 24 AUG = 690 BRL round trip tax inc
GRU - CNF on G3 (GOL) out 21 AUG in 24 AUG = 240 BRL round trip tax inc

The GOL flight is very affordable and I would advise you to book this flight ASAP! FYI: 240 BRL = 110 USD

[Edited 2006-08-01 09:46:21]

User currently offlineHangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 21):
Both www.tam.com.br and www.voegol.com have booking engines in English...

I'm sorry mate, but there's very little English on the pages you sent me to and they certainly don't make it easy to find from the front page.

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 21):
Beware however: GOL flights can only be bought with AMEX credit cards!

Another reason just to go to the travel agent.

Thanks for the help and information everyone.



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User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

Quoting HangarRat (Reply 22):

Another reason just to go to the travel agent.

GOL is an LCC, they will only be able to buy these tickets via the website.
Your travel agent will be able to book the JJ flights, but you can easily do this only yourself, try Expedia, Kayak or Opodo.
The example I gave above on JJ will cost you 219 USD ex tax on Expedia for example.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4574 times:
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Quoting PHKLM (Reply 23):
GOL is an LCC, they will only be able to buy these tickets via the website.
Your travel agent will be able to book the JJ flights, but you can easily do this only yourself, try Expedia, Kayak or Opodo.
The example I gave above on JJ will cost you 219 USD ex tax on Expedia for example.

PHKLM, Gol is a LCC but it keeps selling thru Agents. My bank use to buy tickets with agents and we buy both airlines (Gol and TAM). The only problem is that they do not make reservations, you need to buy !

By the way, TAM confirmed the info given by JJMNGR: they are refusing RG endorsements at JFK, CDG and MIA and just advised ANAC (Brazilian DOT).

Felipe



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25 Post contains images PHKLM : That's what I meant. I was in your lovely country a month ago, trying to book a GIG-EZE flight on GOL. I tried the website, by I use MasterCard and n
26 Donzilasse : Your best bet might be to find a new low rate through kayak to GIG and then rent a car there. I am going myself on the 11th with AA904/905 and I will
27 Wazobia : Hey, I just heard that Wen. , Thur, and Fri. they RG is flying daily flt # 8863 with a combined flight via JFK and Mia. Not sure what time they depart
28 PPSMA : Hi all I´m a licensed travel agent (and consultant - lol), so if you need help purchasing a ticket on G3 or JJ let me know. I might even be able to g
29 Post contains links Commavia : As others have said, American is no longer accepting VARIG tickets: http://www.aa.com/content/agency/News/news_jul_2006.jhtml#varig
30 C010T3 : I'm sorry, how did you manage to get mugged in Rio's subway? I'm not saying it is impossible, but it is rather unusual. You must had been begging to
31 Lhrmaccoll : Its a really sad situation at RG at the moment. What is the estimated relaunch date? Or has that not been announced yet?
32 PHKLM : Well, normally I don't carry 300 USD in cash, but I was gonna pay for the G3 flight at SDU and was on my way from Ipanema to SDU with the metro. At I
33 VV701 : And on 28 July I was at LHR and saw MD-11 PP-VTP operating the lunch time flight arrival from Brazil. Is it possible (legally) for an airline to cont
34 C010T3 : Now I get it. There are no metro stations neither in Ipanema nor at SDU. So you took the bus and walked quite a bit... I just wanted to know the circ
35 Post contains links and images Wazobia : Did Varilog not know they had to pay the employee's when they bought Varig? See link below. Varig - Flying Or Not?........... I vote not!!! http://www
36 LipeGIG : Hi PHKLM very sad, i'm really sad about this but the Metro use to be a safe place, never saw nothing bad (also it's one of the most clean metro i eve
37 Post contains links Wazobia : It looks like flights to the USA are not in the plans for the near future. http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...-BRAZIL-VARIG.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna
38 Post contains images HangarRat : We have managed to rebook on DL for only $300 more than we paid for Varig tickets. Traded one airline in bankruptcy protection for another that's sti
39 LipeGIG : Very good move. Wish you a nice trip ! Felipe
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