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NW Flight Attendants Rejected 2nd TA  
User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9910 times:
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Northwest Flight Attendants Reject Second Tentative Agreement

Passengers Warned To Expect C.H.A.O.S.™



Washington, DC - Northwest Airlines flight attendants, represented by the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA (AFA-CWA), today rejected their second tentative agreement with the company. A majority of flight attendants voted to reject the agreement by a margin of 3,266 to 2,637.

"Our members have spoken: these drastic cuts to our pay, benefits and work rules are simply unacceptable," said Mollie Reiley, AFA-CWA Interim Master Executive Council President. "While we will attempt to go back to the negotiating table with the company, we continue preparing for CHAOS."

AFA-CWA reached the tentative agreement ten days after being elected as the new collective bargaining representative for Northwest flight attendants. Prior to AFA-CWA entering negotiations, a federal bankruptcy judge ordered that cost savings must equal at least $195 million for five years. The court, also established the terms of the previous tentative agreement as the starting point for the latest round of bargaining.

"Our members refuse to watch more than 40 percent of our wages and benefits get funneled into company profits and executive bonuses. It is simply not necessary and will not be tolerated," said Reiley.

In June, the bankruptcy court granted a motion filed by Northwest management seeking to abrogate the contract to impose new terms if no agreement were reached. Management has said these terms, which include drastic changes to pay, benefits and work rules, will be implemented on August 1. AFA-CWA is currently exploring legal options.

, or Create Havoc Around Our System (tm), is AFA-CWA's trademarked strategy of targeted work actions using random, unannounced strikes. If Northwest management imposes contract changes without the flight attendants' consent, AFA-CWA can call for an all-out strike or CHAOS.

For over 60 years, the Association of Flight Attendants has been serving as the voice for flight attendants in the workplace, in the aviation industry, in the media and on Capitol Hill. More than 55,000 flight attendants at 20 airlines come together to form AFA-CWA, the world's largest flight attendant union. AFA is part of the 700,000-member strong Communications Workers of America (CWA), AFL-CIO. Visit us at www.afanet.org.

http://www.nwaafa.org/default.asp?id=264


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User currently offline1rocco From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9884 times:

This is going to get interesting. Good luck NWA F/A's..

User currently offlineMattMSP767 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9852 times:

I personally don't think that was a smart move on the flight attendants part. Rejecting that and risking NW to impose new pay and work rules is the dumbest thing they could have done. Have they not learned from past labor issues that NW doesn't mess around when it comes to this stuff? What a waste of time and money all this negotiation has turned out to be.

User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9773 times:

Quoting 1rocco (Reply 1):
Good luck NWA F/A's..

Second that.

Quoting MattMSP767 (Reply 2):
I personally don't think that was a smart move on the flight attendants part. Rejecting that and risking NW to impose new pay and work rules is the dumbest thing they could have done. Have they not learned from past labor issues that NW doesn't mess around when it comes to this stuff? What a waste of time and money all this negotiation has turned out to be.

The cuts being asked for in the agreement were just too much, too unreasonable. They wouldn't be paid except for time in the air. They would have to sit unpaid in the airport if the flight were delayed for instance. Their health and pension benefits would be gutted and they'd be back to levels of pay nearly equal to that in 1990.

This whole CHAOS thing is going to really throw the airline for a loop - and could potentially cripple operations. Not good for NWA. I just wonder why they seem to have to be cutting more from pay and pax services than other airlines.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9773 times:
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Quoting MattMSP767 (Reply 2):
I personally don't think that was a smart move on the flight attendants part. Rejecting that and risking NW to impose new pay and work rules is the dumbest thing they could have done. Have they not learned from past labor issues that NW doesn't mess around when it comes to this stuff? What a waste of time and money all this negotiation has turned out to be.

I think so, we could've had a clear plan to negotiating in the future rather than unknown years of uncertainty. I was tired of this, I wanted to pass so we can move on from this. Well principles won't pay bills, your job does. We're gonna pay for this. More FA's are going to lose their jobs, because senior people won't retire now. Full fledged colon blockage.

[Edited 2006-08-01 00:20:38]


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User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9725 times:

Northwest Airlines Comments on AFA Contract Vote

User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9725 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
I think so, we could've had a clear plan to negotiating in the future rather than unknown years of uncertainty. I was tired of this, I wanted to pass so we can move on from this. But these militant jihadist FA's want to suicide bomb themselves for principles. Well principles won't pay bills, your job does. We're gonna pay for this. More FA's are going to lose their jobs, because senior people won't retire now. Full fledged colon blockage.

They could make more money doing countless other jobs, at this point, which they are qualified to do.

If I came and took your pension away and cut your paycheck in half, would you keep coming to work?



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User currently offline1rocco From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9704 times:

I feel your pain Jetjack74
1200 buyouts = 1200 furloughs

I think the f/a's let there emotions get in the way when voting. I agree what they were asking for was a lot but the alternative may be much worse. I hope and pray they prove me wrong.

Rocco


User currently offlineMattMSP767 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9672 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 3):
The cuts being asked for in the agreement were just too much, too unreasonable. They wouldn't be paid except for time in the air. They would have to sit unpaid in the airport if the flight were delayed for instance. Their health and pension benefits would be gutted and they'd be back to levels of pay nearly equal to that in 1990.

I agree with you that what NW is asking of the Flight Attendants is a lot and maybe unreasonable, I don't know...but the FA's may have just shot themselves in the foot by rejecting the second tentative agreement and letting NW impose whatever they want. I'm just not following the union 'logic'.


User currently offlineAanyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9672 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
think so, we could've had a clear plan to negotiating in the future rather than unknown years of uncertainty. I was tired of this, I wanted to pass so we can move on from this. But these militant jihadist FA's want to suicide bomb themselves for principles. Well principles won't pay bills, your job does. We're gonna pay for this. More FA's are going to lose their jobs, because senior people won't retire now. Full fledged colon blockage.

Some times you have to stand up for what you believe in. The employees have always done their part to save NW. In return they constantly were (for lack of a better word) screwed. Enough is enough. To refer to someone who voted no as a terrorist is appalling. If it wasn't for most of these senior people fighting in the past this would have never been a career or job for any of us. Best of luck to all the NW flight attendants.


User currently offlineAanyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9672 times:

Quoting MattMSP767 (Reply 8):
I agree with you that what NW is asking of the Flight Attendants is a lot and maybe unreasonable, I don't know...but the FA's may have just shot themselves in the foot by rejecting the second tentative agreement and letting NW impose whatever they want. I'm just not following the union 'logic'.

The union did not tell them to vote no. This was the choice of the NW flight attendants.


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9657 times:

Quoting 1rocco (Reply 7):
I agree what they were asking for was a lot but the alternative may be much worse.

It may be worse for Northwest and its FAs, but this is VERY good news for the other airlines...especially the legacies. We all know that there is too much capacity, too many airlines and a VERY GREAT need for airline consolidation/elimination.

Thanks, NW flight attendants, for helping the industry as a whole. Please CHAOS NW right out of business or into a merger.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9636 times:

Hopefully resolution can come in the form of terms that are acceptable to both sides. If not, time will tell.

While I understand the company needs cuts, I don't understand why they continuously go to the employees unless their pay scales are way above/beyond those of their colleagues (see Delta pilots).

It's a shame to see the redtail come to this, but in this instance, I'm wiht the F/As.

Best of luck to all involved.



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User currently offlineMattMSP767 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9623 times:

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 10):
The union did not tell them to vote no. This was the choice of the NW flight attendants.

I never said or implied they told them to vote 'no'. Time will tell on how their decision will now affect them, their families, the airline and the customers that pay their wages.


User currently offlineFjnovak1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9576 times:

Seems NW is being kicked in the rear by the fact that, while there are some great nice people that work for Northwest (i met a few over the weekend in my travels BDL-DTW-ORD-DTW-BDL), there are also some pretty forgettable and downright rude people working there (again, met a few this weekend)... a couple sour apples can ruin a bushel....

But everything else aside, besides the employment of the workers, there isn't much worth saving. Northwest's product, especially on the domestic end, is terrible and barely tolerable even as an elite unless you get upgraded to first. I'm not sure (outside of employees and some aviation buffs) who would miss Northwest if it dissapeared. I'm not saying i'm rooting for their failure, but i certainly wouldn't shed tears over it. Good luck to all involved, the f/a's and the carrier...something tells me both sides are gonna need it.



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9506 times:

No matter what happens, the work group needs to stand up for their rights. If it means losing a job over it, I guess that is what it takes. I would never volunteer to give up 40% of my pay, and benefits for a charity case. Then turn around and watch the CEO's and Execs high five one another while cashing their bonus checks.

What many of you forget is the fact of survival. Airline employees need to survive too. While many of us would be saddened to see an airline fail because of a work groups decision to turn down a contract, we must also understand the reasons to turn it down. Imagine giving up 40% of your pay at the company you work for at this very moment? Imagine making $1,000 per paycheck, and suddenly only making $600 per paycheck? Would that hurt you? Perhaps you could survive on that, but remember those that would collect the same amount on unemployment, and have the freedom to find a job that pays better. Sacrafice is the name of the game. One way or another, the Flight Attendants are facing a sacrafice.

If you can live on a 40% cut, then you have the right to vote. If you can't live on a 40% cut, then you have the right to vote. Obviously the votes clearly show that they are not willing to donate to a chairty case.



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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9453 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 11):

Thanks, NW flight attendants, for helping the industry as a whole. Please CHAOS NW right out of business or into a merger.

I happen to like NW, and wouldn't want to see them go ch.7.

Quoting Fjnovak1 (Reply 15):
Seems NW is being kicked in the rear by the fact that, while there are some great nice people that work for Northwest (i met a few over the weekend in my travels BDL-DTW-ORD-DTW-BDL), there are also some pretty forgettable and downright rude people working there (again, met a few this weekend)... a couple sour apples can ruin a bushel....

I havn't met any bad ones, only ok, and excellent ones. I took NW MSP-BOS last tuesday in Y and the flight attendents were fenominal, all greeting pax with smiles and good evenings. It was even better than the BOS-MSP flight in first class a few weeks before.


User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9434 times:

"We reached a consensual agreement with the new union recently chosen by our flight attendants and had hoped that Northwest flight attendants would ratify the agreement.”

On July 6, the National Mediation Board announced that Northwest flight attendants voted to have the AFA-CWA replace the Professional Flight Attendants Association (PFAA) as the flight attendants’ bargaining organization.

Becker continued, “Notwithstanding the results of the flight attendants' contract vote, Northwest must continue to move forward with its restructuring efforts. As previously approved by the court, we now are implementing new contract terms and conditions for our flight attendants which are consistent with the judge’s order and with the March 1 tentative contract agreement which was not ratified. This action will result in the required $195 million in annual savings.”
http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/2006/pr073120061683.html

This doesn't look good.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9423 times:
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Quoting Aanyc (Reply 9):
Some times you have to stand up for what you believe in.

Please, if the there was real participation in this vote then maybe I would concede to this, but with only little over 6000 voting this was hardly a loud and clear message

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 9):
The employees have always done their part to save NW.

Highly debatable. Most of us we're only looking out for our own self-interests, not in numbers. There were many who voted it down becuase to them, new workrules were an inconvenience for them. but think about the how this inconvenience could've saved them a little more money rather than the imposed workrules which will, year over year, will give NWA MORE money than the terms in TA-2

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 9):
Enough is enough.

Quite right about that, but the motivations are questionable. THis is only the beginning of a long and painful road for us. Negotiations will most likely drag out longer than the ratifying the TA-2. Continental was stuck with imposed workrules for almost 10 years, and they're contracts were subpar to us even in the best of times.

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 9):
To refer to someone who voted no as a terrorist is appalling

That was out of line, which is why I edited it out. That was anger speaking, but it still doesn't take away form that fact that half-truths and misinformation ruled supreme when it came down to voting because there was very low turnout at the AFA roadshows. People needed to hear what was going on, and the clarifications to the changes. The new TA would've provided further language and sidenotes that would prevent NWA from really screwing us over. So those who voted no can now party their butts off for stupidity

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 9):
If it wasn't for most of these senior people fighting in the past this would have never been a career or job for any of us.

That's not anywhere near true. These senior ladies and germs are hardly trailblazers for the downtrodden and disrespected. These fools gave up so much over the years, that stopping now was harmless to NWA. There is hardly any power in the FA lobby, virtually none. The company steamrolled over this. Judge Gropper was the one who povided ground rules for the abrogating the contract.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 6):
They could make more money doing countless other jobs, at this point, which they are qualified to do.
Maybe, but this isn't assured
If I came and took your pension away and cut your paycheck in half, would you keep coming to work?

This had absolutely nothing to do with it with the TA-1 or 2. Our pensions weren't even part of this. Don't make things up to further your argument, it's pointless

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 12):
Hopefully resolution can come in the form of terms that are acceptable to both sides. If not, time will tell.

I'm not holding my breath. The company has already said that it will implement the new contract at midnight tonight. The rest is all smoke in mirrors. The company isn't really going to negotiate, they'll do the same stalling tactics to that they always do and drag this out for eternity.

Quoting 1rocco (Reply 7):
I feel your pain Jetjack74
1200 buyouts = 1200 furloughs

Not only that, the company was prepared to offer 1400 buyouts, that would've paid for themselves in annual cost savings, inside of 2 years. But that's gone by the wayside now. Buyouts will not be offered according to the company regarding the imposed workrules.

Quoting 1rocco (Reply 7):
I think the f/a's let there emotions get in the way when voting.

This was clearly voted in on anger, and hardly an informed decision.

Quoting 1rocco (Reply 7):
I agree what they were asking for was a lot but the alternative may be much worse.

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User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9380 times:

I have to be on the F/A side of things. For years the union at NWA have been giving money back to the company to save it. And in the end they (the employees) have been screwed. But, the management team keeps on getting big bounes and pay increases. If they are in that much trouble why cant the managemnt (upper CEO, COO ect.) give up a chunk of their pay to help the airline. Bottom line the unions at NWA do not and will not trust the upper management enough to help the airline.

I hope NWA does not go into Chapter 7. However, if they strike it will hurt the airline and make it harder for them (NWA) to make it out of Chapter 11. Not to mention that now this is out, travel agencys are less likely to book on NWA. May God be with all these employees that have work all this time with NWA. I hope they will still have a job in the next few months.

Chuck


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9348 times:
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Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 20):
I have to be on the F/A side of things.

With a slim margin like this, it's hard to tell what side we're actually on. It's was a convincing victory the first time around, but this was a 626 difference. So not a clear victory for anyone, but NWA. Management wanted this not to pass, becuase the imposed workrules are more lucretive.

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 20):
I hope NWA does not go into Chapter 7.

I don't believe we will. We'll be around for long time, just not as motivated in future until we merge with someone.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9334 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 21):
I don't believe we will. We'll be around for long time, just not as motivated in future until we merge with someone.

Interesting, just hopefully not with Delta - guess I prefer my southern hospitality as it is w/o motown infusion



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User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9321 times:

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 20):
If they are in that much trouble why cant the managemnt (upper CEO, COO ect.) give up a chunk of their pay to help the airline

They have. The salaried employee pension plan has been frozen, future accruals are 401k only. It think there was a 10% average wage cut. Even Steenland has taken a salary cut. Some top officers did get a nice bonus payout recently from the successful sale of NWA's stake in Orbitz to Cendant.


User currently offlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9265 times:

Okay. If the new contract terms are being imposed at midnight, why in the hell is the AFA publicly stating that they will give NWA management 15 days notice before they call CHAOS? It seems to me, they should calling for CHAOS immediately in order to get management back to the negotiating table as quickly as possible. I don't understand the lag time... Why is the union willing to work 2 weeks into an IMPOSED contract?


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User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9236 times:

Lets hope this has a diplomatic end, if not time to look at other airlines for travel needs.

Northwest Airlines, was once a great airline, this is like watching a great work of art crumble and be picked away..

Sad, Sad, Sad!

 Sad


25 Ualcsr : When does NW report for this quarter? Are they projecting a profit?
26 RyanAFAMSP : N801NW and others, The pay reductions are just a piece of a much bigger package. Hourly pay rates are reduced, but on top of this the proposal would h
27 Post contains images Mariner : Agree 100%. cheers mariner
28 NWBOS : All I can say to the FA's is good luck. We all know the company has spent millions hiring an all-star legal team who is actively finding any and all w
29 KaiGywer : I just hope they don't screw with my flights. I (unfortunately) have to fly NW MSP-EWR to connect to KL, and also NW AMS-DTW-MSP on the way back. Not
30 1rocco : I believe that was a deal between PFAA and NWA. Is it the same for AFA? Anyone have any insight in this? Rocco
31 N801NW : FWIW: I have not proffered my opinion on the f/a's or the contract rejection. I just wanted to refute the notion that management has not taken any cu
32 Falstaff : I'm flying DTW-STL on NWA on the afternoon of 8-1-06. I will have to be sure to be nice and give the FAs a thank you. I am sure many of them are rathe
33 CAL : So are there any NW F/A's on here that may know if CHAOS is going to happen? Any Ideas? Does NW have a contingency plan of any sorts?
34 Post contains links N801NW : Latest update from the AP Northwest Flight Attendants Nix Contract
35 Post contains images Dw9115 : All I HAVE TO SAY IS GOOD JOB Screwing over everyone else that works at Northwest hope you like your mandated pay cuts now and I hope they strike and
36 Jamake1 : Dw9115: They did not screw over anyone else. Let's face it, if NWA ALPA members had rejected two tentatives, I am pretty sure you wouldn't be too worr
37 Usdcaguy : Wouldn't it be sweet if the F/A's had no vacation, no sick time, worked the same-day return from Europe, got back into MSP and couldn't pay rent? What
38 Dw9115 : Well the taxpayers for the state of Minnesota for one when they are paying welfare for the the F/A's when Northwest gets to implement the pay-cuts th
39 Falstaff : I would agree. I made that kind of money in the Detroit area a few years ago and it sucked. Not a heck of a lot you can do on $30,000 around here. I
40 Jamake1 : Be careful about what you hope for...
41 Falstaff : It looks like I agreed to the wrong thing. I was agreeing with the text I quoted from post 37. I do not agree with what was said in post 39. I should
42 Ewr767 : could anyone from nw tell us specifically what they are asking you to give up. Are they really asking you to work the leg back from Europe the same da
43 Jamake1 : My mistake, not yours Falstaff. I meant to quote DW1195. Your were indeed correct the first time, and I got what you had meant...
44 Mikesairways : I"m flying SFO-MSP on Thursday Night (Friday Morning) and MSP-SJC the follwoing Monday - do I have an reason to worry?
45 Tcfc424 : Dw9115...You must be under the impression that NW's FA's are getting paid in gold bars. Likely FA's with the lowest seniority already qualify for gove
46 Jamake1 : Very well said, Tcfc.
47 Indy : I basically excused the rejection of the first contract. So the FA's turn around and replace their union with a new one. A tentative agreement is reac
48 NWCOflyer : NW flight attendants made the right choice. A tough one, but a good one. I am sick of arm chair CEO's who have no idea what it is like to work for an
49 Luvrsw : Stall tactic in order to keep the full paychecks coming for a few more weeks. Why accept cuts, when you can stall/delay them?
50 Aanyc : Aren't you the individual who stated on another thread that you love your job so much that you would work for free? I believe so. Some people are wil
51 Bennett123 : Is he a pilot at Delta?.
52 Par13del : Here is my all important question to the NW F/A's. We all know what NW will do in this situation, the question is what will you do, how serious are yo
53 Saabmeister : AMFA. The IAM is in, AMFA is on strike, and yes, many have moved on.
54 UAL777UK : Good Luck FA's, you may need it. I know a lot of FA's at UA who sacrificed a lot as well.
55 N801NW : Today's Detroit Free Press reports that: Maybe they will reach an amicable agreement sometime in the near future.
56 Bobnwa : The pension was never taken away or was it proposed.
57 IH8B6 : Yeah that will work. Dude, what country are you from? This isn't a slave nation.
58 Post contains images MalpensaSFO : Perfectly said. It is about time that the Flight Attendants play hardball with the brass that are still recieveing their fully bloated paychecks, whi
59 Bobnwa : As usual, you are wrong. All managers at Northwest are under a 20% pay-cut and have been for some time. They have not gotten any bonuses. If you don'
60 Historic747 : Unions do not decided what is unreasonable and what is not. The markets and economics around you decide that. I would be extremely glad if NW as a co
61 Mikey711MN : Indy, I'm with you on this...I just don't get why the FA's even bothered with changing their union management, an act ostensibly done to put their co
62 Zvezda : Otto von Bismarck said "I don't believe in learning from my mistakes. I prefer to learn from the mistakes of others." Clearly, the majority of NW FAs
63 Bobnwa : So we agree that their pension was not taken away as was done at US and UA.
64 Post contains images Supa7E7 : Dunno, looks healthy to me. DL and NW will be profitable soon, which makes the industry... profitable. It just doesn't pay that great.
65 Apodino : This whole situation brings back memories of one eastern airlines, with Doug Steenland playing the role of Frank Lorenzo. NW had this BK filing planne
66 MalpensaSFO : What will be left of NWA if anything in the decade they will come out of bankruptcy?
67 FCYTravis : Great. Management is asking the FAs to take a 40 percent pay and benefit cut. So please listen as the world's smallest violin plays a tune for the op
68 Bobnwa : Management has taken the SAME wage and benefit cuts as the rest of the employees.
69 Post contains links UAL777UK : Do you think management are nervous they may cause CHAOS?? http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...20_N01420434&type=comktNews&rpc=44
70 FCYTravis : Two words: Work rules.
71 Mikey711MN : " target=_blank>http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...pc=44 Ok, so NWA management has said that they're still willing to negotiate with the same unio
72 Post contains links UN_B732 : Interestingly enough, there is nothing about this at www.nwa.com. Usually they'd post a travel advisory or similar. Is CHAOS going on right now? -Mr.
73 N501US : You have nailed it right on the head! I can't understand how the union reps at the the bargaining table came back with any proposal that the rank and
74 AirRyan : I knew he was an attorney but are you certain of what kind of law he specialized in? Come on folks we're talking about the normal people who work for
75 PRAirbus : Good for them, management keep trying to screw their front-line employees while they get hefty bonuses.
76 Flysherwood : For those of you who say that you have never met rude F/A's on NWA have never flown SEA-NRT before!
77 Post contains images MalpensaSFO : Or LAX-NRT, SFO-NRT, DTW-NRT, MSP-NRT, PDX-NRT... Or anywhere else in the NWA system... But it is not their fault. Management and their out of touch
78 TOLtommy : Yeah, but there are plenty of airline employees who act as Lawn Chair CEOs and think that they know better than senior management as to how the airli
79 Flysherwood : The F/A's based at SEA for the SEA-NRT route have been rude and grumpy since the early 90's! And some are still working that route.
80 747LUVR : I'm not "pro-union" but I got to side with the attendants in this case. Stop and think- if they strike and go belly-up, they're out of a job. If they
81 KLMA330 : Is this going to affect operations for NW? Flying to Miami Aug 31-12. I hope it doesn't affect things. As a passenger, I don't care about company grie
82 N801NW : Barry Simon, the soon to be retired General Cousel, however, did some airline bankruptcy filings.
83 Post contains images Bmacleod : Sooner or later, the end will come for NWA. That is unless they drastically change the way they treat their employees. This attitude of 'take it or le
84 Post contains links KarlB737 : " target=_blank>http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...pc=44 Above link didn't work for me. Northwest Says Willing To Talk With Attendants - Reuters h
85 Post contains links N801NW : Northwest says willing to talk with attendants http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/060801/airlines_northwest.html?.v=1 CHICAGO (Reuters) - Northwest Airlines Corp
86 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: WCCO-TV Flight Attendants: Strike Could Begin In 15 Days http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_213123021.html 3 Video Reports: Flight Atten
87 Post contains links FlyDreamliner : Are you talking about the "work rules" where you don't pay the F/A's for more of the time. No matter how you word it - "work rules changes" you're cut
88 Bobnwa : Yes it is wrong when it states that NWA will immediatly impose harsher terms than the TO. No, I'm not refering to that rule. How about the savings fo
89 KLMA330 : Will NW be flying by the end of September? how detrimental is thi?
90 TheLUREnyc : Just exactly what other job is a Flight Attendant qualified to do? Other than some other form of customer service type job, like working behind a hot
91 Bennett123 : I have no doubt that the people in McDonald's are very nice, but I would not want them as FA's. I would not want to rely in an emergency on someone wh
92 Ckfred : Here's my question. Will the AFA really start CHAOS? The AFA repeatedly threatened CHAOS at UA, because of the pension termination. There was never a
93 CO767FA : And what skills did you have before you "learned" your lesson? What skills did you acquire afterwards? How long did you provide "customer service"? I
94 TheLUREnyc : OK . . I'm still asking. If a flight attendant leaves their job - what does their experience in that job qualify for them for? It's not a skill. It's
95 Post contains images Mikey711MN : Your logic is flawed. You are suggesting that the statement "FA's have few marketable skills" is equal to the statement otherwise being made by other
96 SHUPirate1 : Didn't Judge Wedoff specifically state that, due to the pensions not being a[n integral] part of the contract, that striking or C.H.A.O.S. would cons
97 Jamake1 : Wow, TWFirst... You seem to have a genuine contempt for flight attendants. Just for the record, F/A's do not get paid for a lot of their time that the
98 Dw9115 : The Associated Press "Northwest twice negotiated new tentative agreements with its roughly 9,000 flight attendants, only to watch the rank and file vo
99 DTWAGENT : If I was flying and they offered me 30K a year for doing my job I would take it. Only because the airline that I'm (or would like) to work for needs i
100 Historic747 : Big Deal. There are so many other that spend 100 hrs/week toward earning a degree, then spend 100hrs/week working and are yet fire at will employees.
101 CO767FA : I'm sorry, but your paragraph structure is ....er, flawed; work on it and get back to me. I think my synopsis answered your "still asking" question.
102 Dw9115 : You could say that about any job in the world a person flipping burgers at McDonald's could become anyone of those thing's to.
103 Post contains images Ualcsr : Whew!!! Lots of opinions and lots of post since my last little question on this thread! All I have to say.... to all of you NW employees out there, th
104 HunUtazo : Bottom line.... Industry is in the process of consolidation. Industry WILL continue to charge, more, more and more, to travel by air. Industry must ch
105 TVNWZ : Lemme get this straight...the flight attendant's Union #1 negotiates an agreement with NW to try and head off a court sanctioned company contract. It
106 Post contains links Mikey711MN : (from the Star-Tribune article) NWA strike in the hands of a judge Northwest filed a motion asking its bankruptcy judge to block a possible strike by
107 Ckfred : From the reporting in the Chicago Tribune and the Wall Street Journal, I don't recall the judge making any comments. I actually doubt that Judge Wedo
108 Ckfred : I can guarantee that the AFA's lawyers are burning the midnight oil getting ready for this hearing. They will be looking for any bankruptcy cases in
109 NorthstarBoy : sorry if this seems a little off topic, but too much capacity? if anything there isn't enough capacity. as someone who's job it is to take care of pe
110 Commavia : Two questions for any actual Northwest FAs who might be here on A.net: 1. What is the sense of the AFA's and FAs' intentions here? Are they going to w
111 FutureFO : CHAOS, CHAOS, CHAOS. I think it has all ready started, have not heard anything yet, but I know it is coming. I hope that the NW F/A's start a trend in
112 Zvezda : That would not be the start of a trend. That would be the continuation of a trend that we've seen before, most recently by NW's former machinists. It
113 Cloudy : Several points - - Unions are as much a part of a capitalist economy as corporations are. If investors have the right to band together and enter the m
114 DTWAGENT : AS per the 11:00pm news last night. As of Aug 15, the F/A are going to start there Chaos action with or without the judges approval. They are pissed a
115 Garnetpalmetto : Due to the length of the thread and the fact that it devolved into a slagfest which no user saw fit to suggest deletion on, I'm locking the thread up.
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