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Multiple Fed Ex Planes At A Small Airport? Why?  
User currently offlineSBNair3022 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 110 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5740 times:

I know here in SBN we get a 727 and 2 Caravans, I know the 727 goes to MEM, but might someone know where the Caravan's go, or why they are even there? Are there other small airports that have this same operation?

Thanks!


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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3135 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

In Michigan at FNT in particular there are always two 727s and one Caravan. The Caravan goes north to APN and back. One 727 goes to FWA and then on to MEM I believe. The other goes to IND.

Its possible that your caravan goes to some small airport before returning.


User currently offlineCRJonBeez From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 317 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

the caravans, operated by mountain air, go to indianapolis at night. both fly mon-thurs, only one flies on friday. they typically transport medical supplies

User currently offlineCessna157 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5593 times:

You should see GFK. I would qualify this as a small airport, but FedEx practically has a hub there for caravans and other associated small equipment

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5593 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 1):
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Sometimes two caravans...a couple of weeks ago there were three three-holers there. I think the main reason is the GM parts warehouse in Swartz Creek, about one mile west of the airport. There are lots and lots of Chevy parts in that huge building and Im thinking FEDEX must of got the contract to fly parts out of there every night...you take your 1999 Chevy to the shop tomorrow and the parts guy says we have to order the part...now you know where it comes from...
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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3308 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5552 times:
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Location, Location, Location...

And Landing fees.

ABE, in Pennsylvania, gets two 727's daily (well, nightly, as they come in after dark and leave before dawn). It is close to PHL without having the congestions and fees that PHL has, I assume that's the reason.

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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5408 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 5):
ABE, in Pennsylvania, gets two 727's daily (well, nightly, as they come in after dark and leave before dawn). It is close to PHL without having the congestions and fees that PHL has, I assume that's the reason.

But FedEx still has a somewhat sizable operation at PHL, including widebodies, so that can't be the entire reason...



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User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5279 times:

Here in SYR we get a FEDEX A300 to MEM, a 722 the we share with BTV that goes to EWR and a few caravans that go to plattsburgh and possibly elmira.

User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2494 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5230 times:

Here in GRR we have 6 or so CSA Air ("Iron Air") C208 Caravans operating as FedEx feeders. This morning I counted 4 operating GRR-TVC, and 2 operating GRR-PLN.

GRR gets 2X weekday A310 to/from MEM, and 1X weekday A310 to/from IND. One of the two MEM flights is occasionally a 727F.


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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3308 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5138 times:
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Quoting San747 (Reply 6):
But FedEx still has a somewhat sizable operation at PHL, including widebodies, so that can't be the entire reason...

Guess not!  Smile

Thanks for the clarification. My theory just got demolished. Maybe people in Allentown just LOVE getting packages!

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User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4986 times:

Quoting San747 (Reply 6):
Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 5):
ABE, in Pennsylvania, gets two 727's daily (well, nightly, as they come in after dark and leave before dawn). It is close to PHL without having the congestions and fees that PHL has, I assume that's the reason.

But FedEx still has a somewhat sizable operation at PHL, including widebodies, so that can't be the entire reason...

One very probable reason I want to throw out there is that the greater Lehigh Valley is a large business and industry center, located as it is midway between NYC and PHL and at the crossroads of the PA Turnpike (476) and Rt. 22.

A few notable companies with headquarters and offices here: Lucent and it's spawn Agere, Air Products, OraSure, Bethlehem Steel (back in the day...), and the newest and biggest--Olympus, with their new North American headquarters at Stabler Center.

Given all that, having direct, localized air freight service is probably a good thing, as it keeps the transit times down (imagine all those packages having to be trucked to PHL, EWR, or JFK every day...), keeps the volumes down at said airports, and, as ANITIX87 noted, it's just cheaper to land a plane here.


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User currently offlineLhrmaccoll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4986 times:

If FX can land the A/C cheaply and within an economically viable distance for their trucks to load and ship out they will.
If they had large operations over in the UK, they would probably put a few caravans into Booker in Wycombe.


User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4866 times:

Here at PWM we get either two 727's, or one 727 and an A-310 daily. One going to MEM and the other PWM-BOS-EWR. There are also about 5 Caravan flights per day connecting smaller towns from Northern Maine with Fedex Mainline. The primary reason Fedex operates these flights is in support of L.L. Bean and thier mail-order business. I've been told L.L. Bean products are 50% of whats on the outgoing flights here.

On a side note, I know that FX has a contract with the USPS to transport a large portion of the mail, and that in recent years the passenger airlines have been carrying less. Perhaps this increase in USPS cargo has called for more capacity in some smaller markets as well?


User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4825 times:

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 12):

On a side note, I know that FX has a contract with the USPS to transport a large portion of the mail, and that in recent years the passenger airlines have been carrying less. Perhaps this increase in USPS cargo has called for more capacity in some smaller markets as well?

Goooood call!  bigthumbsup  That's gotta be a part of it. I know I've seen plenty of mail trucks at the FX facility at ABE--didn't even think of it vis a vis this thread. It makes great sense, too.


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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4667 times:

TVC should really have a 727. I know you guys down in GRR are quite happy with getting the slew of Caravans though. I am sure a 727 flying out of TVC would fly directly to MEM.

[Edited 2006-08-03 00:18:37]

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4631 times:

Is there such a "Thing" as a FedEx Route Map?

I'd love to see it!

One time I counted 11 Caravans among 2 DC-10s, an MD-11, 2 727Fs, and an A310 at Oakland. I could only guess where they were all headed!



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User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

MDT gets an A-310 from MEM and a 727 from IND.

We get one Caravan at night from IPT and one from AVP. The Caravans then depart for ABE and EWR. One Caravan returns in the morning from EWR prior to the jet arrivals. It then departs to IPT.


User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

IPT is Williamsport, PA. I guess like MDT it doesn't rate a mouse over.  Smile

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