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Jazeera Airways Boost Flights To Egypt (+new Dest)  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4054 times:

Jazeera Airways have continued their rapid expansion into the lucrative KWI-Egypt market. According to the airline's online booking system the airline will launch flights to their third Egyptian destination on the 5th of August with 3x weekly flights to the southern city of Assuit. The schedule will be as follows:

KWI ATZ J9528 -2-4-6- 10:45/13:35 2hr50min 0 A320
ATZ KWI J9529 -2-4-6- 14:20/16:45 2hr35min 0 A320

Jazeera Airways will be the third scheduled carrier out of ATZ, joining Egyptair and Kuwait Airways. Funnily enough all 3 carriers serve the ATZ-KWI market (MS 2x weekly A320 and KU 1x weekly A320).




Even more impressive, is that the airline has more than doubled their flights on the KWI-Alexandria/HBE* route from 5 to 12x weekly flights, which is a staggering increase considering they only launched flights on the route little over a month a go. The new schedule to Alexandria-Borg Al Arab Airport is:

KWI HBE J9506 123-56- 02:20/05:25 3hr05min 0 A320
HBE KWI J9507 123-56- 06:15/09:10 2hr55min 0 A320

KWI HBE J9516 1234567 12:00/15:05 3hr05min 0 A320 <--new daily flight
HBE KWI J9517 1234567 15:50/18:45 2hr55min 0 A320 <--new daily flight

*J9 joins BA and EK in serving Alexandria's new airport of Borg Al Arab (HBE). All other carriers serve the downtown, and arguably more preferable, Al-Nozha Airport. This may have been a condition set by the Egyptian authorities to lessen the impact the newcomer would have on Egyptair and Kuwait Airways on the route. Both MS and KU have 3x weekly ALY-KWI A320 flights.




In addition, flights to Luxor have increased from 5 to 6x weekly flights with the addition of a new Friday flight. The schedule is as follows:

KWI LXR J9502 -234567 01:45/04:35 2hr50min 0 A320
LXR KWI J9503 -234567 05:20/07:45 2hr25min 0 A320




Jazeera Airway's entrance into the Egyptian market cannot have been timed better with the Egyptian authorities implementing an open sky policy at all home airports (except CAI). Not only is their latest round of increases impressive, the airline is offering extremely cheap fares on all 3 routes, which will open up an even larger untapped market between Egypt and Kuwait. However what I find surprising is the fact there's no mention on their website of the frequency increases to HBE or LXR or that ATZ flights are being launched.


On a side note how have J9 managed to increase their flights significantly? have they improved aircraft utilisation or have they received more A320s? or maybe the aircraft that should be doing the suspended 10x weekly BEY flights have been redirected?



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User currently onlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4007 times:

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
*J9 joins BA and EK in serving Alexandria's new airport of Borg Al Arab (HBE). All other carriers serve the downtown, and arguably more preferable, Al-Nozha Airport. This may have been a condition set by the Egyptian authorities to lessen the impact the newcomer would have on Egyptair and Kuwait Airways on the route. Both MS and KU have 3x weekly ALY-KWI A320 flights.

A bit off topic but Ive got a Egyptair 2003 timetable and is shows weekly HBE-AUH/DXB flights with A300-600's - do these still operate?



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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3951 times:
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Hey Horus ezayak
Looks like lately all airlines start to increase service to Egypt, I believe like you said below Allowing Open Skies (Except CAI) really makes more airlines comes into play.

Just out of curiosity does really KWI needs all this flights? MS, KW and now Jazeera Airways.

From what I see Egypt market is being served very well or I think the right way to put it would be the other way around Kuwait market is being very well served from Egypt.

What also caught my attention was the increase in HBE to 12 flights, more than double in 1 month wow.

Now when I think about ALY and HBE, I believe that HBE is more convenient for business travelers (Close to the City- easy transportation), which remind me with the debate about which one is more convenient JFK, EWR or LGA which we not going to discuss here.

Also looks like Upper Egypt is getting lots of attention lately, Increasing ATZ and LUX, which gives a lot of potential to that area.

Well I wish Jazeera Aiways the best and good luck

Horus, how is HBE I only been to ALY, what i heard is that it's really a nice airport

TuT



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 1):
A bit off topic but Ive got a Egyptair 2003 timetable and is shows weekly HBE-AUH/DXB flights with A300-600's - do these still operate?

The original plan was for ALY to close once HBE opened (in 1998) but that never materialised and Egyptair decided to keep all their Alexandria fligths out of ALY. However due to the short runway at ALY (largest aircraft is the A320/B737) airlines that serve ALY with scheduled flights will often operate additional or charter flights to HBE with widebodies during the busy summer (or Hajj) periods to cater for the demand. For example SV who operate JED-ALY and RUH-ALY services with MD-90s will be operating a JED-HBE-JED charter this Saturday (05/08/06) with a B777 (SV3331/3330). Then on Saturday (19/08/06) Egyptair will be operating a HBE-JED-HBE flight with an A332 (MS669/670).

And no the HBE-AUH/DXB flights do not operate. Instead MS have a weekly ALY-AUH-ALY A320 flight and 3x weekly ALY-DXB-ALY A320 flights.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 2):
Hey Horus ezayak

Yasalam ba3d il inta we MSYYZ 3amaltoo...  Wink

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 2):
Just out of curiosity does really KWI needs all this flights? MS, KW and now Jazeera Airways.

From what I see Egypt market is being served very well or I think the right way to put it would be the other way around Kuwait market is being very well served from Egypt.

Well J9's flights are a definite welcome to the huge Egyptian expat community in Kuwait as it makes things just a bit cheaper. It might mean that these Egyptians can afford to return to Egypt more than once a year. I mean you can book a HBE-KWI-HBE flight this weekend for just 1000L.E (i.e. £92/$174). Now when you compare this to MS and KU (on the ALY-KWI-KWI) they are charging £204/$383 and £208/$391 respectively for next week! Big difference, eh?

I have to say the Egypt-KWI market is significant and the combined MS, KU and J9 flights are only a drop in the ocean of capacity.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 2):
Now when I think about ALY and HBE, I believe that HBE is more convenient for business travelers (Close to the City- easy transportation), which remind me with the debate about which one is more convenient JFK, EWR or LGA which we not going to discuss here.

Al-Nozha Airport (ALY) is by far more convenient than Borg Al-Arab Airport (HBE). Yes HBE is a newer facility but it's 40km southwest of Alexandria and lacks public transport links (e.g. buses or train) to the city centre. On the other hand ALY is a smaller, older facility but it's only a few kilometers from the city centre with a regular microbus service (and taxi fares are very reasonable).

However the ultimate plan is for ALY to close (mainly due to lack of space to expand and the vertical expansion of the local urban area) and for HBE to be the sole Alexandrian airport. A new terminal at HBE is under construction to accommodate 1 million passengers per annum at a cost of LE 438 million. In addition, a tarmac and goods storehouse at a capacity of 5 tonnes is being built. Now I hope the authorities make sure public transport links are in place by the time the takeover occurs.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 2):
Also looks like Upper Egypt is getting lots of attention lately, Increasing ATZ and LUX, which gives a lot of potential to that area.

Well I can't see ATZ getting any international expansion, simply because the market is too small. Remember J9 is only the 3rd scheduled carrier at the airport, and all 3 airlines compete on the ATZ-KWI route. In fact KWI is the largest market from Assuit. Egyptair's sole flights are 2x weekly CAI-ATZ-KWI-ATZ-CAI A320 flights, and even though seats on the CAI-ATZ-CAI sectors are for sale, occupancy is low, and they seem to be positioning flights for the ATZ-KWI-ATZ flights.

And yes LXR (not LUX) has been experiencing very healthy growth. This is done to 3 main reasons; 1) the upsurge in tourist numbers to the region since 2004, 2) the opening of the new (and only) terminal in 2005 which coinciding with ADP taking over the running of the airport and 3) the new open sky policy adapted

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 2):
Well I wish Jazeera Aiways the best and good luck

Yes. I just hope Egyptian private carriers can enter this market before it's too late.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 2):
Horus, how is HBE I only been to ALY, what i heard is that it's really a nice airport

HBE is a fine terminal but a bit on the small side. However with the new terminal I expect something modern and efficient. Funnily enough though I like ALY especially the landing.


Horus



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7612 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3883 times:

Incidentally MS retired the A300-600 for passenger use in Feb 2006.

User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 4):
Incidentally MS retired the A300-600 for passenger use in Feb 2006.

Yes and that off course...  Smile


By the way here is a list of KWI-Egypt flights on Thursday 03/08/06:

J9502 A320 LUXOR 01:45
MS8318 A340 CAIRO 07:50
KU1801 A310 CAIRO 08:50
KU549 A320 ASSIUT 09:05
J90528 A320 ASSIUT 10:45
KU1541 B744 CAIRO 11:00
J90516 A320 ALEXANDRIA/HBE 12:00
MS611 A330 CAIRO 13:15
KU541 A340 CAIRO 14:00
MS622 A320 ASSIUT 14:45
KU539 AB3 CAIRO 16:40
MS619 A320 ALEXANDRIA/ALY 16:50
KU1803 B777 CAIRO 18:10
MS613 A340 CAIRO 23:59

Impressive!



Horus



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User currently offlineFlyingInTheSky From Kuwait, joined Dec 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3861 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 5):
By the way here is a list of KWI-Egypt flights on Thursday 03/08/06:

J9502 A320 LUXOR 01:45
MS8318 A340 CAIRO 07:50
KU1801 A310 CAIRO 08:50
KU549 A320 ASSIUT 09:05
J90528 A320 ASSIUT 10:45
KU1541 B744 CAIRO 11:00
J90516 A320 ALEXANDRIA/HBE 12:00
MS611 A330 CAIRO 13:15
KU541 A340 CAIRO 14:00
MS622 A320 ASSIUT 14:45
KU539 AB3 CAIRO 16:40
MS619 A320 ALEXANDRIA/ALY 16:50
KU1803 B777 CAIRO 18:10
MS613 A340 CAIRO 23:59

Impressive!

Is the extra flights counted here ?  Smile I think on KWI-CAI sector they might reach 10 flights a day sometime over the week .

for anyone asking himself if for example KWI-HBE route is really usefull ,it's at least a bit less than full .

Kuwait-Egypt is a very successful market and I really feel sorry that Egyptian authority didn't allow for J9 the KWI-CAI ...

Best of luck for everyone ...


User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3810 times:
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Quoting Horus (Reply 3):
Yasalam ba3d il inta we MSYYZ 3amaltoo...

let me think e7na 3amlna eh :P hhahaha asdal el tayra eli e7na sar2naha menak :P

Quoting Horus (Reply 3):
Well J9's flights are a definite welcome to the huge Egyptian expat community in Kuwait as it makes things just a bit cheaper. It might mean that these Egyptians can afford to return to Egypt more than once a year. I mean you can book a HBE-KWI-HBE flight this weekend for just 1000L.E (i.e. £92/$174). Now when you compare this to MS and KU (on the ALY-KWI-KWI) they are charging £204/$383 and £208/$391 respectively for next week! Big difference, eh?

Wow what a difference on price, i'm sure those flights will be full, i wish i have a chance to fly that cheap (well even $391 is cheap hehe)
JFK-CAI-JFK next week $1200 - $1400
JFK-CAI-JFK in Late Sep. $700 - $800

Quoting Horus (Reply 3):
Al-Nozha Airport (ALY) is by far more convenient than Borg Al-Arab Airport (HBE). Yes HBE is a newer facility but it's 40km southwest of Alexandria and lacks public transport links (e.g. buses or train) to the city centre. On the other hand ALY is a smaller, older facility but it's only a few kilometers from the city centre with a regular microbus service (and taxi fares are very reasonable).

I apologize for that mistake but i meant ALY is more convenient

Quoting Horus (Reply 3):
Yes. I just hope Egyptian private carriers can enter this market before it's too late.

I'm sure someone will look into that market, seems to me its so profitable, but like you said would it be on time???



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Excellent but not that surprising news.

It's so frustrating - even for me, sitting here - that CAI is seemingly like an impenetrable fort regarding permission for new routes.

I wonder whether it'll ever begin a KWI-SSH link. KU currently flies that route twice-weekly, with one flight by the 320 and one by the 310, although toward the end of this year the 320 will be replaced by the 310, but the other 310 will have one stop en route.

[Edited 2006-08-03 16:39:20]


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User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

Is this because Jazeera now have extra capacity with the temporary cancellation of flights to BEY? Would make sense


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

With CAI opening up so much, it sux to see no Air Carrier flying from Pakistan to CAI....maybe ED (AirBlue)-Pakistani LCC should start service....there is certainly a need to fly nonstop to Egypt from Pakistan.....


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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3787 times:
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Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
wonder whether it'll ever begin a KWI-SSH link

Hello Pe@rson how are ya?
I would say with the Open Skies now over Egypt (except CAI) yes we will see that soon(jsut my thoughts)

Quoting Raffik (Reply 9):
Is this because Jazeera now have extra capacity with the temporary cancellation of flights to BEY? Would make sense

it does make sense, but i think going to Egypt is more strategic than just because they have Free Plans since they could increase the utilization of their fleet to accommodate the increase in capacity

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
With CAI opening up so much, it sux to see no Air Carrier flying from Pakistan to CAI....maybe ED (AirBlue)-Pakistani LCC should start service....there is certainly a need to fly nonstop to Egypt from Pakistan.....

well i would love to see that, even though i don't know what is the Pakistani population in Egypt or the Egyptian population in Pakistan, but that market is really missing in Both MS and PIA, about Ed to CAI that i don't see this happening soon because CAI doesn't allow LCC.

Regards
TuT



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 11):

well i would love to see that, even though i don't know what is the Pakistani population in Egypt or the Egyptian population in Pakistan, but that market is really missing in Both MS and PIA, about Ed to CAI that i don't see this happening soon because CAI doesn't allow LCC.

Thanks for the input.. checkmark 

I didn't know CAI doesn't allow any LCC's..... Wow!

MS did used to fly to KHI (along with a zillion other carriers)....in fact, as of last year...there was still a checkin booth at KHI.......

While I don't know the numbers directly, I still believe there would be enough business for at least 2x/weekly flights...I know PK doesn't really have too many single-isle jets...they do plan on getting more....but obviously with the crash of the Fokker a few weeks ago, they will need to concentrate on that end first..



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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3764 times:
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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
Thanks for the input..

You Sure welcome

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
didn't know CAI doesn't allow any LCC's

I will quote Horus from another Thread "In fact the only LCCs in CAI are Hapagfly from MUC and STR and Jetairfly from BRU"

I wish we can see PIA in CAI or MS in KHI.

Regards



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3694 times:

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 11):
Hello Pe@rson how are ya?

I'm fine thanks. How are you?



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