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A346 In India?  
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

Can the Airbus A340-600 operate flights in any Indian airport. I THINK I read somewhere in this forum a few months back that the airports in India including DEL and BOM didn't have wide enough taxiway's to support the A346. Is this true?

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User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

I am not sure about BOM & DEL, looks like LH pulled out their intended service to BLR using 346 from this winter due to runway issues. They are planning on using 747 on this route.


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User currently offlineWindowseater From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days ago) and read 3359 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 1):
I am not sure about BOM & DEL, looks like LH pulled out their intended service to BLR using 346 from this winter due to runway issues. They are planning on using 747 on this route.

Damn !!!

Would have been some treat to watch the A346 land here.....But then, what runway issues would have been there ??

Also, in terms of wingspan, I guess the 747 is greater than that of the 346. I guess it's the capacity factor.....winter rush !!



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User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1425 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

hey i dont think thats is competely true, i remember reading a trip report by someone who was surprised to find a A346 on VS while flying from LHR to BOM. So i think it doesnt have issues. I may be wrong about DEL but i am pretty sure about reading this trip report to BOM on a A346.


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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2966 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

VS has used the A346 to BOM, but I believe the parking bays at most Indian airports aren't long enough for the A346 and there was some problem with taxiway clearances too and when VS did fly in the A346 special clearances had to be taken, and I think LH at BLR faced the same problem. DEL can handle a A346 but doesn't see any service.


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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2884 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 4):
DEL can handle a A346 but doesn't see any service

DEL also faces issues on the taxiway, but they are a lot better and more capable of handling the A346 than atleast BOM


Karan


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

If I'm not mistaken, the 346 is just a few feet longer than a 744.....why should there be any problems in that case....just wondering....?

User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2966 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 5):
DEL also faces issues on the taxiway, but they are a lot better and more capable of handling the A346 than atleast BOM

I think the two new taxiways will be capable of handling the plane - there were some loading issues with the A346.



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 1):
I am not sure about BOM & DEL, looks like LH pulled out their intended service to BLR using 346 from this winter due to runway issues. They are planning on using 747 on this route.

Wow - that's really sad, since these would have been the new configuration on the 346. the 747 might still (shudder) have the old J product!

That being said, in terms of capacity, a 747 is an even bigger upgrade for BLR that the 346, so that's good news overall.

I just checked, the GDS has been updated to show a 744 on the BLR-FRA route this winter (was showing as a 346 just a few days ago).

Now coming back to the topic, a 346 is both x-long and x-wide, and I was surprised when they initially announced that LH would operate the 346 to BLR. I've flown the 346 LHR-DEL once (TR available at VS - DEL-LHR-DEL - 343+346 Pics! (by Nimish Nov 18 2005 in Trip Reports) ).

I've heard that the 346 is not "easy" to operate in BOM, but DEL seemed OK.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

Heard that the 1st VS flight was an A346.
The Problem is not the Runway but rather the existing Bay markings,which due to Wingspan & length create difficulty for the A346.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 9):
The Problem is not the Runway but rather the existing Bay markings,which due to Wingspan & length create difficulty for the A346.
regds
MEL

I can understand length, but wingspan? Is it really more than a 744? And do the few extra feet of length make such a difference....?

From what I recall of BOM airport, there is plenty of space at the Int'l terminal, to increase the bay markings so that a 346 can be accomodated in certain bays.....so why isn't that being done....?


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2966 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 10):
From what I recall of BOM airport, there is plenty of space at the Int'l terminal, to increase the bay markings so that a 346 can be accomodated in certain bays.....so why isn't that being done....?

The issue was also about the aircraft's loading, plus it isn't so much about 'parking space' but what happens when the plane pushes back, the A346 was deemed too long to be pushed back with aircraft parked in bays beside and behind it. But that said, several airlines SQ (and also TG and EK) in particular have been using the 777-300 into BOM and DEL which isn't that much shorter, so I think pavement loading on taxiways might have been a problem.
Lengths
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Boeing 747-400 - 70.67m
Boeing 777-300 - 73.86m



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2884 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 10):
rom what I recall of BOM airport, there is plenty of space at the Int'l terminal, to increase the bay markings so that a 346 can be accomodated in certain bays.....so why isn't that being done....?

In addition to what Cricket said above, also it does not just depend upon adjusting parking bays but also which terminal they fly into, and hence the appropriate gates.

Karan


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2884 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 10):
rom what I recall of BOM airport, there is plenty of space at the Int'l terminal, to increase the bay markings so that a 346 can be accomodated in certain bays.....so why isn't that being done....?

In addition to what Cricket said above, also it does not just depend upon adjusting parking bays but also which terminal they fly into, and hence the appropriate gates.

Karan


User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1784 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 1):
LH pulled out their intended service to BLR using 346 from this winter due to runway issues. They are planning on using 747 on this route.

LH flying A346s to BLR? Since when?



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 14):
LH flying A346s to BLR? Since when?

No - they don't fly 346 to BLR. However, LH had announced that they'd start with the 346 to BLR this winter schedule (the announcement came about 2 months ago). Further discussions with the airport authorities have led them to scrap the *plan* to launch the 346 this winter, and move to a 744 instead. That being said, even a 744 is a pain to operate in BLR (There was only one 744 capable stand - which was Stand 6 on Apron 1, but when used with a 747, 1-2 stands around it could not be used). I don't know if the HAL authorities (who own/run the airport) have done anything to ease the situation with a 747, hopefully LH has the needed approvals in place. Or we're back to the 343  Sad



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 10):
From what I recall of BOM airport, there is plenty of space at the Int'l terminal, to increase the bay markings so that a 346 can be accomodated in certain bays.....so why isn't that being done

Bay Marking needs to be done Properly.By erasing the old ones & Painting the New ones.At BOM The old marks are Painted over black after scraping the Area but during rains & Taxi light Reflections lead to a lot of confusing.

Also All bays are not sized equally at BOM,for adjusting more space.

Bottomline can be done....Def but too slow.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2966 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 15):
That being said, even a 744 is a pain to operate in BLR (There was only one 744 capable stand - which was Stand 6 on Apron 1, but when used with a 747, 1-2 stands around it could not be used). I don't know if the HAL authorities (who own/run the airport) have done anything to ease the situation with a 747, hopefully LH has the needed approvals in place. Or we're back to the 343 Sad

Not much longer.. hold on, the new airport is almost ready as long as that crazy CM of the state doesn't want to cripple that also....
Talking of BLR i'm headed there this Sunday.. traffic mayhem here I come!



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 17):
Talking of BLR i'm headed there this Sunday.. traffic mayhem here I come!

Would have been nice to meet up, but unfortunately I'm away this week.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 17):
Talking of BLR i'm headed there this Sunday.. traffic mayhem here I come

What Operator.
Remember the TR.
regds
MEL



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