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AA To Lease Airbus A320's?  
User currently offlineSkaggs From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 144 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 18114 times:

All of my AA pilot friends in DFW are talking of a rumor that will supposedly affect "all AA first officers" that will be announced sometime in September. The rumor is that, Airbus is offering AA a Jet Blue type deal on A320's in exchange for acceping all blame for the A300 crash in New York.

I find it hard to believe that AA would ever buy Airbus but the rumor is that Boeing is refusing to deal on 737NG's and Airbus is offering a much sweeter deal.

The MD80 series must be replaced, and soon, for AA to be profitable. I understand that AA belives that all MD80-88 airframes must be phased out within 10 years.

p.s. I wish AA would upgrade their First Class product on 757's.


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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 18090 times:

Why does this forum have such an obsession with AA and A320's?


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 18090 times:

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
in exchange for acceping all blame for the A300 crash in New York.

The way you have phrased this is a bit ambiguous. Who would be accepting all the blame - AA or Airbus?

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
I find it hard to believe that AA would ever buy Airbus

Wounds heal. Time passes. AA would be incredibly stupid to announce or otherwise indicate that they'd NEVER buy Airbus again. They'd be guaranteeing high prices from Boeing.

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
the rumor is that Boeing is refusing to deal on 737NG's and Airbus is offering a much sweeter deal.

I could believe that.

Granted, an AA A320 deal has never looked likely but stranger things have happened. Who do we think would get the engine deal? AA are long-time RR customers but they are also cosy with GE...


User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 18049 times:

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 1):
Why does this forum have such an obsession with AA and A320's?

and JetBlue and US financial turnaround and AS,WN,BA,and NW bashing...the list goes on and on


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4969 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 18028 times:

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
The MD80 series must be replaced, and soon, for AA to be profitable.

I'm not so sure that this is true. DL is turning itself around with a very large fleet of MD80s that aren't going anywhere.


User currently offlineSkaggs From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 144 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 18028 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
The way you have phrased this is a bit ambiguous. Who would be accepting all the blame - AA or Airbus?

Well, the RUMOR I heard, was that AA would admit that it was a) pilot error or b) a crew training deficiency. Either way, it is BS, you should be able to stomp on a rudder at a relatively slow airspeed without it failing.



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2453 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 18006 times:

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
The rumor is that, Airbus is offering AA a Jet Blue type deal on A320's in exchange for acceping all blame for the A300 crash in New York

The cause was wake turbulence encounter with the first officer giving excessive rudder to compensate, resulting in the fin bearing excessive lateral load and separating. Rudder design and American Airlines' Advanced Aircraft Maneuvering Program were contributing factors.

I find it hard to believe Airbus would ever take the blame in light of the investigation, opening the floodgate for litigation.



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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17960 times:
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So what if AA actually accepts full responsability for the accident (nevermind how sweet the deal might be). What difference does it make in practice ?

It's not like Airbus would be able to wave a piece of paper with AA's admission of guilt to escape pending litigation or government action, is it ? Victim and government lawyers would still be able to go after Airbus if they wanted. They would have a harder time, true, but they could still make a case against Airbus (not saying they should here, just that they could).



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17920 times:
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Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
but the rumor is that Boeing is refusing to deal on 737NG's

Given AA have 47 x 738s and 7 x 772ERs which have been deferred I find it hard to believe that Boeing would be refusing to deal on 737NGs with AA

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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17886 times:

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
The rumor is that, Airbus is offering AA a Jet Blue type deal on A320's in exchange for acceping all blame for the A300 crash in New York.

I'm just going to go ahead and call bullshit on this right now. This isn't happening.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12032 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17848 times:
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Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8):

There you go, spoiling our fun by applying logic to the situation! wink 

It would indeed seem odd that Boeing wouldn't do a deal with AA (one of their bluest of blue-chip customers).

Either way, AA does have a very large fleet of MD-80s. Whatever they select to replace them when they do, they will need a lot of them! yes 



Hey AA, the 1960s called. They want their planes back!
User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17815 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
AA does have a very large fleet of MD-80s. Whatever they select to replace them when they do, they will need a lot of them!

So do we smell a split deal? More 737s plus A320s?


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17772 times:

Quoting Skaggs (Reply 5):
you should be able to stomp on a rudder at a relatively slow airspeed without it failing.

Not when you multiply that stomp by 5 in rapid succession.


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17716 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 11):
So do we smell a split deal? More 737s plus A320s?

I smell male bovine fecal matter.

Personally I think if AA wants A320s, they should buy JetBlue and get a real hub operation at JFK.



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 69
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 17670 times:

I take this rumor as some what bizare. While I would love to see another major B737 operator converting to the A320 and possibly the A320E, I just don't think that is realist to think that Boeing will allow AA to slip from their hands.

So I suggest that we all wake up and smell the coffee. It's not going to happen.  Yeah sure

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1079 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 17670 times:

I could imagine Airbus saying: "Here ... we have the A320E flying from 2009. As soon as the A320NG is available you can switch the remaining of the order to until those 300 MD80's are replaced!"

Those A320E pilots will surely be able to fly the A320NG with a few hour update practice.


User currently offlineAmerican777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 17601 times:

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
All of my AA pilot friends in DFW

Who cares what your friends talk about, I don't think AA will ever buy Airbuses! Your friends can talk about anything but Mr. Gerard Arpey will be the one deciding, not your friends.  Wink

AA signed an exclusivity agreement with Boeing in the late 1990s, to be their main airplane provider. Now that AA is starting to make profits again and they'll probably start taking delivery of their deferred orders and even probably order more Boeings as they are expanding their international network. So just refresh your mind and know that AA won't order any Airbus planes anytime soon!

JOE.  Wink


User currently onlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8044 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 17586 times:

I would bet my 25 cents that this one will go no where.

I seem to recall that AA gets the lowest selling price for any planes they buy from Boeing (under the gentleman's agreement) so I don't see Airbus being that attractive.

While the MD-80s are getting a bit old I also don't see AA making a large order to replace them until they see how Y1 is developing. Throw in the need to look at the 787 to replace some 767s (and 757s) over the medium to long term. Then add AA's financial situation going forward over the next few years.

I think AA will take the planes they have to under existing orders with Boeing, minimize new purchases until their financial position improves even more, and then address what planes to buy.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7127 posts, RR: 87
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 17563 times:

This is a huge pipedream hatched by Airbus cheerleaders.

The only a/c that AA will be flying before years end will be the 787.  bouncy 


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 17539 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 15):
Those A320E pilots will surely be able to fly the A320NG with a few hour update practice.

A few hours?? Heck, they'll probably just need to thumb through the manual. Maybe watch a video.



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 17524 times:

Quoting American777 (Reply 16):
AA signed an exclusivity agreement with Boeing in the late 1990s

Which was almost as quickly cancelled - at least officially.

Quoting American777 (Reply 16):
I don't think AA will ever buy Airbuses!

Not ever? Not in 2012? Not in 2018? Not in 2035? Wow. Old grudges die slowly...

Quoting FXramper (Reply 18):
The only a/c that AA will be flying before years end will be the 787.

AA will be flying 787s "before year's end"? Before even Boeing?! Wow!


User currently offlineAAden From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 17504 times:

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 1):
Why does this forum have such an obsession with AA and A320's?

entirely my fault

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 19):
Quoting Chiad (Reply 15):
Those A320E pilots will surely be able to fly the A320NG with a few hour update practice.

A few hours?? Heck, they'll probably just need to thumb through the manual. Maybe watch a video.

lol
once you've flown one you've flown them all


User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 729 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17059 times:

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
in exchange for accepting all blame for the A300 crash in New York.

I can't believe this could be part of any deal. Nobody wants to drag this up again. It would be 100% negative publicity and nothing good can come of it.

Rather I would imagine that IF such a deal were to take palace, AA and Airbus would agree sweep the issue of responsibility under the rug like a dirty family secret.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineFlying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17037 times:

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
The rumor is that, Airbus is offering AA a Jet Blue type deal on A320's in exchange for accepting all blame for the A300 crash in New York.

If this is true, wouldn't this be bribery?


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12032 posts, RR: 47
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 16935 times:
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Quoting Flying_727 (Reply 23):
If this is true, wouldn't this be bribery?

No. Bribery would be Airbus paying someone in AA to influence a decision to buy A320s. AA accepting responsibility in return for a good price on A320s might be ethically dubious, but I doubt it's actually illegal.

While a fun discussion, this is nothing more than a totally unsubstantiated rumour from a source that is frequently wrong (flight crew that is, not Skaggs!)



Hey AA, the 1960s called. They want their planes back!
25 OzarkD9S : Exactly.
26 Par13del : Here are my list of questions. 1. How much cheaper is the A320 versus the B737NG? 2. Since the market forces have deemed the A320 the more "in demand"
27 BigGSFO : I would guss that if such an Airbus/AA deal would be hatched, Boeing would counter-offer. Even if Boeing is more expensive, AA would save millions by
28 Post contains images LTU932 : So they'd be undecided between CFM and IAE, if this A320 lease agreement does come into place? Personally I'd see them going for IAE, should this IMO
29 PHLBOS : Weren't some of the former-TW MD-80s that AA inherited manufactured in the late '90s?
30 LTBEWR : Another point to me would be that Airbus would probably have to include mx training at no or a very cheap price. I doubt this would be a deal/settleme
31 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Hi PanAm_DC10...you pipped me to the post.... one thing for sure..Gunsontheroof...your never at a loss for words.. PM, I think it would be just too e
32 EBJ1248650 : Am I to assume there was no escape clause American could use if things went sour with Boeing?
33 AC320tech : I think it is the other way around because AA has a few airplanes in its fleet which use the RR variant of engines, and the rest are GE like on the 7
34 UAL777UK : Aint going to happen with the 320's, certainly not on the terms set out by the thread starter!
35 Wjcandee : I think that this poster was being very wry. I think that he was basically saying, in multiple parts, "If the 737 is such a piece of crap, not in dem
36 DfwRevolution : 1) Why would an A320 order apply to all AA first officers? 2) Why would Airbus even consider accepting blame for the AA587 incident? It would be no d
37 Scbriml : You've got it the wrong way round! In reply #5 Skaggs says that it's AA that would take responsibility, not Airbus. More than likely. However, it doe
38 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : AA has is a huge operator of both the 777's and 757's..all of which have RR engines... Love those 757's... MyAviation.net photo: Photo © Jacobin
39 Post contains images Stitch : Probably not, but one can also presume that Boeing nonetheless extended the same financial conditions to AA for future block purchases so as to creat
40 Post contains links and images American777 : Quoting PM (Reply 20): Not ever? Not in 2012? Not in 2018? Not in 2035? Wow. Old grudges die slowly... How funny! Quoting PM (Reply 11): So do I smell
41 PRAirbus : Believe it when you see it...RUMORS are just that, RUMORS. AA will have to spend millions to train, maintain, stock parts, etc, etc. In the middle of
42 Contrails : If AA were to accept blame for the crash, which I find hard to believe at the moment, wouldn't that open them up to being liable for damages? I'm not
43 B6sea : GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT!!!!!!!!!! THEY WON'T BUY THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE TOLD BOEING THAT THEY WON'T along with CO and DL. (I could explain it again but
44 DAYflyer : I think the more viable rumor would be that the 738's on order would no longer be deffered.
45 EmSeeEye : I think this forum just sunk to a new low. This is absolutely a bunch of BS and it smells like a madeup rumor to get the rumor mill going. If (and I
46 YULWinterSkies : Well, in this case it will be a MD80 operator converting to the A320. And an airline operating side by side 737NG and the 320 family, like the Chines
47 B6sea : Way to pick some really profitable examples... -Chans
48 Post contains links Varig md-11 : a bit off topic but this doc. could cast light on some issues on the why and why nots of a possible deal with Airbus http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/2001/A
49 JAL : AA ordering A-320, not gonna happen!
50 BigGSFO : I agree.
51 YULWinterSkies : Sorry, I don't get your point... At least, I provide more arguments that some statements such as the one below...
52 Post contains images Kappel : Hey dude, in Japan now? You sure travel around a bit. Tanzania, Switzerland, Japan... Didn't AA say not so long ago they will be skipping the current
53 JAAlbert : It would be a big deal if the admission of liability also included a "hold harmless" agreement in which AA agrees to pay any damages Airbus must pay
54 Post contains images Jacobin777 : It is a well known fact that Airbus gives their planes away for free.. However, not all 300 frames are going to be replaced.....of which many are def
55 Scbriml : Skaggs clarified in reply #5 that it's AA that would, allegedly, be taking "the blame" for the crash, not Airbus.
56 Kappel : Is Easyjet profitable enough? Or LH? Or AF? Those are also examples of profitable airlines operating the 737 and a320 side by side.
57 Post contains images Alaska737 : yeah i got three yesterday
58 Coa747 : American buying A320's is as likely as Southwest buying Airbus. Chances are slim to none. As far as the rudder issue it is a myth perpetuated by Airbu
59 Starlionblue : You're assuming it's a simple matter. 1. List prices are worthless. Rumour hath it that the 320 is a bit cheaper, but that's just the sticker price.
60 SPREE34 : And you can! And it will not fail! They did it after the accident, it stayed put. However, stomping it back and forth repeatedly is un-necessary unle
61 N1120A : Do you know just how expensive that would be? 10 years at something like 330 airframes means 33 planes a year. That is $1.32 BILLION per year at $40
62 Galapagapop : AA spent the latter of 2 years trying to eliminate fleet types. F-100 717 762 (non ER's?) [Cannot remember fully on these] Now the TWA 757's Why on ea
63 Coa747 : The rudder control system should progressively limit rudder movement as speed increases and not allow the rudder to be deflected beyond a point that w
64 Post contains images FlyDreamliner : and I think I smell a snowstorm in hell. Yep, AA, DL, and CO all pay bottom dollar on any orders they have through Boeing as part of a gentleman's ag
65 Par13del : Guys regarding my post number 26, I take this "rumour" with a grain of salt. My post was going both ways, the Airbus fans like to claim the A320 kille
66 Post contains images Scbriml : Over the last few years, there's been very little difference in numbers sold and delivered between Airbus and Boeing. So how do Airbus make more prof
67 Post contains images AutoThrust : You sound exactly like the opposite, as a Boeing Cheerleeder. Very informative post. I think most are right AA wont buy or lease any A320. It doesnt
68 Columba : At least all the three airlines at one time used to fly 737s and A320s side by side. Air France will be the first to retire their 737s, Easyjet and L
69 B6sea : That was my point... SAS and THY aren't the best way to make a point for using two aircraft types efficiently. I wasn't saying it couldn't be done be
70 FlyDreamliner : In the past few years Boeing has had to deal with a recession in the American economy and a drastic change in business strategy as well as restructur
71 Post contains images Jacobin777 : .....of course, its so obvious...
72 B6sea : Completely right... In addition, A320s are initially cheaper, making them attractive for start-ups and airlines in need of immediate savings. They do
73 Par13del : StarlionBlue Reply 59 "3. Like it or not, the 737NG is still a 737, and does not have FBW or other production cost saving features present in the 32x.
74 B6sea : THANK YOU!!!! You explained that better than anyone, I think. Basically, though, AA would be idiotic to buy Airbus because of the relationship lost w
75 Columba : Nothing against your father but since he was/is working for Boeing I don´t think he has an objective view. I really doubt that the A320 will get wor
76 Bongo : Is that the way it works these kind of deals? "Accept all responsability and I will give you a xx % discount" ??
77 B6sea : I do think he's objective because, to be honest, He's a freaking engineer on the freaking program in question and that would definitley be info. he w
78 Post contains links Keesje : Does AA want to become the last airline that takes large numbers of 737NG´s? Yes, Arpey said a few weeks ago he does not rule out buying planes from
79 Bennett123 : coa747 What the pilot did was 5 rudder reversals one after another. If this is what your father does, then perhaps you can tell us who he flies for. I
80 RJ111 : I'd have thought maintaining software would be a lot cheaper than maintaining hardware.
81 FlyDreamliner : It's not patriotism, it's a deal that can't be beat, buy exclusively from manufacturer X, get best price every time, no negotiation, and preference i
82 Par13del : RJ111 reply 80 "I'd have thought maintaining software would be a lot cheaper than maintaining hardware." Welcome to the computer age. The software upd
83 Mariner : Frontier sometimes refers to their exclusive deal with Airbus. They have not - to my knowledge - defined what it means. cheers mariner
84 Post contains images MarkATL :
85 Lhrmaccoll : AA and an Airbus purchase? That will be the day. They still have a bunch of 737NGs on order. I cannot see this happening. If it does, I will eat my ha
86 KSUpilot : I personally don't see American making such a large move yet. It is clear that both Boeing and Airbus will be looking at replacements for the 737 and
87 Agill : So how much money does the difference in fuel consumption translate to on a year. If you compare a MD-80 to a B737 or A320. For an average usage for A
88 FlyDreamliner : Alright, the notion AA would both accept fault, and then get over their grudge over the incident - and exlusivity agreeement with Boeing is just nuts.
89 Post contains images We're Nuts : Let's move on to realistic discussions, seriously....
90 Gigneil : I reiterate above sentiment that it is utter and complete bullshit. Such an "exchange" offers no tangible benefit to Airbus. This is business, not th
91 We're Nuts : Maybe Southwest will lease L1011's next.[Edited 2006-08-02 00:14:08]
92 Coa747 : Airbus has designed the control system on its aircraft including the A300 and A310 so that the computer will not allow the aircraft to stall. You can
93 Gigneil : What? The A300 and A310 don't feature that sophisticated of a flight control computer. These two planes are not fly-by-wire, there is no envelope con
94 DTWAGENT : Either way they are going to do something with the MD's. Who gives a rats butt on who they are going to purchase their next aircraft from. Give it up
95 Captaink : Some make it seem as though AA will not purchhase an airbus product simply because they are holding a grudge. That is your mentality, then i beg to d
96 We're Nuts : It may seem childish, but that's exactly why US Airways only talks to Airbus now.
97 LMP737 : Well the MD-80 did not prevent AA from turning a profit in the second quarter. People forget that the MD-80's are either paid for of have lease rates
98 Jetpilot21 : Sounds just like a rumor. One that never comes to past!
99 Post contains images Captaink : I guess I have to accept that then. But I am sure if a suitably competitive offer comes along from Boeing, US won't say they are sticking with Airbus
100 474218 : Boeing would accept blame for the New York crash? Replacing the vertical stabilizer is not in the structural repair manual. Repairing the vertical st
101 NWDC10 : How many times have you eaten your words. Anything is possible. I never and i mean never thought WN would serve DEN. AA can very well buy/lease A320's
102 Post contains links Zeke : Maybe this should be posted in http://www.aavirtual.com/forums/foru...102f082e2339141c07df6ad&forumid=30
103 Mason747 : AA has such a strong relationship with Boeing. To even think that AA would order the A320 is crazy. They should order more 737NGs if they want to repl
104 Ckfred : A friend of mine who flies for AA has heard this rumor. Mind you, it's just a rumor, but it seems to be the rumor that is never put to rest. Eventuall
105 Singel09 : any AA management member on A.net? Speculation, rumours .... facts is what we need .. Mause
106 ComeAndGo : And you guarantee that Boeing will honor that deal under its new management ? Even when the deal entails loosing money on every plane sold ? You guys
107 PM : As Sam Goldwyn used to say, "A gentleman's agreement isn't worth the paper it's written on..."
108 Post contains images EA CO AS : No. Bribery would be doing something like offering a carrier $250MM in exit financing in exchange for being the first U.S. carrier to order your newe
109 Post contains images Mariner : It wasn't exit financing. mariner
110 Post contains images EA CO AS : Details...
111 Nudelhirsch : Whatever. If AA gets an offer for an array of 320s, maybe even some $$$ to spend at a bar, dig in. AA would be stupid to refuse a good offer only beca
112 Post contains images Mariner : You mean - like Boeing and Airtran? cheers mariner
113 Post contains links and images Keesje : I think American Airlines has the right to have their fare share of excellent Aircraft, like every succesfull airline these days. The AA boss says he
114 Starlionblue : The 747 was launched on a gentleman's agreement. If Boeing built it, Pan Am would buy it. And vice versa. But I see your point.
115 Dartland : The only truth I've read so far in this whole thread. Thanks, CKfred.
116 Lhrmaccoll : No, you are assuming things. That is not my mentality at all. It just seems that, if indeed they are aiming for maximising profits, they would stick
117 CHRISBA777ER : Our resident AA587 expert re-hashing the same old conclusions. Why cant you accept what everyone else has? - that the rudder inputs in that level of
118 FlyDreamliner : They made their decision between 737NG and A320 when they bought 737NG. Why would they want to spend the money to have two similar fleets in the same
119 Usair320 : Not quite as some of these birds are less than 10 years old and arent even payed off yet.
120 Ckfred : I think the actual quote is, "An oral agreement isn't worth the paper it's written on," or so my contracts professor in law school used to say. My fr
121 Ken777 : Some contracts state that if any clause is found to be illegal it is removed and the remainder of the contract stands. Who knows what is left of the
122 Tom_EDDF : Which would not have surprised me, as they are used to and familiar with Boeings cockpit philosophy, from which Airbus' differs quite significantly,
123 Scbriml : The exclusivity contracts that Boeing signed with AA, DL & CO were made null and void as part of the EU's agreement that Boeing could take over MD. T
124 Trex8 : even if there is a valid contract still in place, it can't be indefinite and there has to be an out clause in it
125 Post contains images EA CO AS : I see. So you only have brains if you order from Airbus? Someone had better tell Southwest Airlines and Alaska Airlines, among others...apparently th
126 AC320tech : Actually you are incorrect. A300 and A310 do no have DFCS (Digital Flight Control Systems), they are not Digital Fly-By-Wire, they are analogue, they
127 Dartland : Depends on the situation. If an order is coming as part of a pilot labor deal (whether implicitly or explicitly)...you better believe what planes the
128 UN_B732 : The trouble is they would be violating their gentleman's agreement with Boeing. Would AA want to do that? -Mr. X
129 TAN FLYR : I decided just to skip to the bottom and add my 2 cents...So what if it took ten years..the newest ones were TWA's delivered as late as 1999. Too man
130 Fleet Service : AA is a big prize for both Boeing and Airbus.300+ MD8X aircraft to replace is a substantial feather in the cap of either company. Ultimately AA will c
131 Airislife : well i hope they get the airbus family and get rid of the 737 not the MD-80 to me the MD-80 is a better aircraft espesialy on the two seated side.
132 LMP737 : Get rid of a relatively new aircraft and keep one that entered service over twenty years ago?
133 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I don't get why most people don't understand.....AA has paid deposits with Boeing, and they will be getting great deals from Boeing.....why would the
134 PM : Well, they wouldn't be alone. Off the top of my head, I can think of SAA, easyJet, Turkish, SAS, and RAM who have ordered both. I'm sure there are mo
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