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VS A330's?  
User currently offlinePlaneMad From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 533 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7639 times:

I have heard a rumour about VS ordering A330's. Has anyone heard the same? Aren't they meant to be "4 engines 4 long haul"?

Sam D  Smile

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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7624 times:

Quoting PlaneMad (Thread starter):
I have heard a rumour about VS ordering A330's. Has anyone heard the same? Aren't they meant to be "4 engines 4 long haul"?

Sam D Smile

Ohh no not this again. Until it's actually materialises let's just forget about it.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7624 times:

There were several people on this forum saying, essentially, 'All will be revealed at Farnbrough, wait and see', some comments were also made in conjunction with A380 order cancellations, and here we are a couple weeks after and yet ... nothing.

Dont hold your breath.


User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7477 times:

Yes, the VS "expert insiders" are remarkably quiet aren't they? Perhaps they are in hiding, embarrassed!

User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7312 times:

Not hiding or embarrassed!

And for the record I for one never mentioned Farnborough. When they want to announce it, they will.

The A330s will replace the A380 order. Fleet will be 333s, 346s and 744s.



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7122 times:

Quoting Rick767 (Reply 4):
The A330s will replace the A380 order. Fleet will be 333s, 346s and 744s

Are you sure about that ?. Have you heard the latest rumours ?.

Don't believe anything you hear until it is announced officially - no matter how credible the source may seem  Wink.

 Smile



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User currently offlineAC320tech From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

I doubt it, I cant think of any routes that are in demand of an A330.

User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

Quoting Rick767 (Reply 4):
The A330s will replace the A380 order

500+ pax to 250+ pax, that seems an unlikely filler for an A380...


User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3206 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7093 times:

MAN-MCO in low season, I think an A330 would be adequate for that route! Then use the 747's in High season.


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User currently offlineCactusTECH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7016 times:

Virgin will have an ETOPS operation by 2008 and it could be either Boeing or airbus, but Im sure they will stay with airbus by ordering the 350 XWB and in the meantime receive A330's. This is from a reliable source

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 6):
I doubt it, I cant think of any routes that are in demand of an A330.

many, especially when opening opening routes....I would say that ORD and YYZ would be perfect for A330 service, though...

however.....as WINGS properly says below...

Quoting WINGS (Reply 1):

Ohh no not this again. Until it's actually materialises let's just forget about it.

 checkmark 



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1982 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6962 times:

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 6):
I doubt it, I cant think of any routes that are in demand of an A330.

Expansion from smaller airports (GLA-MCO starting next year on 744) and also for the introduction of long haul thin routes from MAN and LGW, to 'test the water'.

Gaz



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User currently offlineAC320tech From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6802 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
.I would say that ORD and YYZ would be perfect for A330 service

I dont think so at all, if AC operates E-175's and codeshare 735's with UA, that tells you something on the pax loads for those flights. So an A330 might only get about 100 pax at peak hours.


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6727 times:

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 12):
I dont think so at all, if AC operates E-175's and codeshare 735's with UA, that tells you something on the pax loads for those flights. So an A330 might only get about 100 pax at peak hours.

Umm what are you on about ?.

VS are based in London, not YYZ or ORD, so are hardly going to start a service between the two.

Jacobin777 was reffering to the re-introduction of the services from London, which an E175 or a B735 would struggle to do me thinks !!!.

 Smile



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User currently offlineTonforty From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

I think a few a330s would make perfect sense for VS. It's pretty hard to test out new routes, especially from the smaller airports such as MAN and GLA when all you have are 747s and a340s.
As CactusTECH suggests, an order of a330s followed by a350s does sound likely.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 12):

I dont think so at all, if AC operates E-175's and codeshare 735's with UA, that tells you something on the pax loads for those flights. So an A330 might only get about 100 pax at peak hours.



Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 13):
Jacobin777 was reffering to the re-introduction of the services from London, which an E175 or a B735 would struggle to do me thinks !!!.

 checkmark .... Smile


also...I flew on VS from ORD a couple of times....flights were full to the brim....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5620 times:

To me both VS, BA and BD are in tune for a changing future..

BA and VS dominate with fleets of 747's on protected routes which both govern competition and destinations served...

they only fly so much to JFK now because of convienience.. the amount of Connecting pax at JFK from these flights is HUGE, plus shoppers on weeks/weekends to New York as they are bucket cheap seats.. to fill the plane, ie sell it for a little or lose money.. hence especially why in the off season (Jan/Feb) you can fly to New York for £200 !

When Bermuda 2 is released all will be able to fly to a much wider selection of US destinations than before.. but all the new destinations won't fill a 747 and the amount of connections in JFK will diminish... with it the size of the aircraft and so the bucket cheap seats.

The result will be smaller planes to more destinations, with slightly cheaper fares for all destinations within the US and slightly higher fares to New York, though frequencies to the New York will remain the same, just spread between more airlines, smaller planes and less passengers connecting in New York..

this is the reality...

so 744's to New York will become more of a thing of the past and 787/A350's will make much more sense..

VS and BA are coming to terms with this reality and adjusting ahead of arrival.. the real winner will be BD who will for the first time need Long Haul aircraft for the US.. they just have to survive until Bermuda 2 ends.

Currently BA must cycle 10 747's through the JFK route (inc maintenace) and probably 6 for VS, this definitely won't regenerate into 10x A380 for BA and 6 for VS...

With increased competition on 1 stops for Hong Kong/Singapore and Asia.. the airlines will be feeling the heat.. so why rush out and increase capacity.. down size it costs you less and puts the pressure on the A380 flyers to fill the plane.

Don't get me wrong the A380 has it's place but BA No... VS probably diminishing (Though maybe Africa/South America/ SFO/LAX for VS may work)



So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

so much to "4 engines 4 long haul"


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User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5450 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
so much to "4 engines 4 long haul"

Yet again, this was an Airbus Slogan...



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
so much to "4 engines 4 long haul"

so much to "who cares?"

n


User currently offlineMason747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

How soon are they bound to be an all Airbus fleet? Or are they.

User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 6):
I doubt it, I cant think of any routes that are in demand of an A330.

Have they gotten rid of the 343's yet? New 333's would certainly be an upgrade for routes with the same load demand.


User currently offlineMason747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4502 times:

They have a few 343s left. I know for sure that one went to Finnair and one went to a new Portugal or spanish airline.

User currently offlineVIR744 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3762 times:

Only 2 A340-300s have left the fleet. G-VFLY went to Finnair and G-VSKY went to BWIA.

G-VBUS and G-VSUN are operated on behalf of Virgin Nigeria but are still VS aircraft.

Mark


User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 19):
so much to "4 engines 4 long haul"

I thought this slogan had been dropped ?

I was looking at an A340 the other day where the slogans had been removed (not very cleanly so you could see the outline where the letters were)



So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
25 Boeing767-300 : Actually it is quite interesting that as little as 4 years ago with Airbus and SRB touting the "4 engines 4 longhaul" bull Airbus have had to conceed
26 ComeAndGo : Actually if you look at the numbers they're quiet even. All 300/310/330/340 vs all 767/777. You get to just about the same number around 1800. So nob
27 CSMUK : I would be surprised if Virgin Atlantic ordered the Airbus A330 series 300… If you think we have a totally new type on the horizon with the Airbus A
28 EI321 : It was a virgin slogan, it was painted on some of their planes.
29 StarGoldLHR : Maybe VS are going for the same deal as SQ... buy some budget A330's as a stop gap until the A350's. Maybe Airbus is offering cut price A330's to A350
30 AC320tech : Sorry I had a brain fart folks, I thought he meant fly it between ORD-YYZ. Now I see what hes saying, now that makes sense since AC serves LHR-YYZ wi
31 Post contains images Jacobin777 : It was an Airbus slogan....
32 Gigneil : The point is that nobody except the kids here care about an advertising slogan falling by the wayside. Clearly, the markets demanded twins. Airbus is
33 Speedmarque : So true! It gets very stupid here sometimes. Its true that 4engines4longhaul was an Airbus slogan "adopted" by VS. However it was truly taken on boar
34 AC320tech : Exactly, its just a silly marketing slogan like "Its nicer up here" or "*ding* You are now free to move about the country". If you think of it, its t
35 Matt72033 : i only said it would be announced at farnborough if they got through the nitty gritty in time! see above not what ive been told i can
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