RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7761 times:
There were several people on this forum saying, essentially, 'All will be revealed at Farnbrough, wait and see', some comments were also made in conjunction with A380 order cancellations, and here we are a couple weeks after and yet ... nothing.
CactusTECH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7153 times:
Virgin will have an ETOPS operation by 2008 and it could be either Boeing or airbus, but Im sure they will stay with airbus by ordering the 350 XWB and in the meantime receive A330's. This is from a reliable source
Leezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6864 times:
Quoting AC320tech (Reply 12): I dont think so at all, if AC operates E-175's and codeshare 735's with UA, that tells you something on the pax loads for those flights. So an A330 might only get about 100 pax at peak hours.
Umm what are you on about ?.
VS are based in London, not YYZ or ORD, so are hardly going to start a service between the two.
Jacobin777 was reffering to the re-introduction of the services from London, which an E175 or a B735 would struggle to do me thinks !!!.
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Tonforty From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6829 times:
I think a few a330s would make perfect sense for VS. It's pretty hard to test out new routes, especially from the smaller airports such as MAN and GLA when all you have are 747s and a340s.
As CactusTECH suggests, an order of a330s followed by a350s does sound likely.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6757 times:
Quoting AC320tech (Reply 12):
I dont think so at all, if AC operates E-175's and codeshare 735's with UA, that tells you something on the pax loads for those flights. So an A330 might only get about 100 pax at peak hours.
Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 13): Jacobin777 was reffering to the re-introduction of the services from London, which an E175 or a B735 would struggle to do me thinks !!!.
also...I flew on VS from ORD a couple of times....flights were full to the brim....
StarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5757 times:
To me both VS, BA and BD are in tune for a changing future..
BA and VS dominate with fleets of 747's on protected routes which both govern competition and destinations served...
they only fly so much to JFK now because of convienience.. the amount of Connecting pax at JFK from these flights is HUGE, plus shoppers on weeks/weekends to New York as they are bucket cheap seats.. to fill the plane, ie sell it for a little or lose money.. hence especially why in the off season (Jan/Feb) you can fly to New York for £200 !
When Bermuda 2 is released all will be able to fly to a much wider selection of US destinations than before.. but all the new destinations won't fill a 747 and the amount of connections in JFK will diminish... with it the size of the aircraft and so the bucket cheap seats.
The result will be smaller planes to more destinations, with slightly cheaper fares for all destinations within the US and slightly higher fares to New York, though frequencies to the New York will remain the same, just spread between more airlines, smaller planes and less passengers connecting in New York..
this is the reality...
so 744's to New York will become more of a thing of the past and 787/A350's will make much more sense..
VS and BA are coming to terms with this reality and adjusting ahead of arrival.. the real winner will be BD who will for the first time need Long Haul aircraft for the US.. they just have to survive until Bermuda 2 ends.
Currently BA must cycle 10 747's through the JFK route (inc maintenace) and probably 6 for VS, this definitely won't regenerate into 10x A380 for BA and 6 for VS...
With increased competition on 1 stops for Hong Kong/Singapore and Asia.. the airlines will be feeling the heat.. so why rush out and increase capacity.. down size it costs you less and puts the pressure on the A380 flyers to fill the plane.
Don't get me wrong the A380 has it's place but BA No... VS probably diminishing (Though maybe Africa/South America/ SFO/LAX for VS may work)
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